2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

[Nevertheles109]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

If I have the time this evening, I will post a few different players hitting signature contested shots.

I am with 24th and Rockie regarding EVERYONE posting videos, mainly the people whose opinions differ.

The craziest part about us asking for videos is that's our way of attempting to help. The comical fanboy argument and who's better nonsense needs to end. It's a dam video game, it ain't that serious!

If you can't put your pride to the side playing a video game, you probably shouldn't be posting because nothing constructive comes out of the conversation.

[bo.jangles344]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Yeah, some went in, some went missed in normal %. I would be ok with that. However the sample is very small, and the ratings were C- and below. Believe me, you will not get a 33% in contested shots with D's and C- etc.

In 6 shots you might. But in 100 shots you will never hit 33 in Supersta Sim

Clear definitive evidence you don't need to do hardly anything at all to make shots but you refute it?

If you just play the game like its meant to be played and generate good looks this conversation is irrelevant.

[KGDunks]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

You don't have time, but you just wrote a book page in responses here man, lol

You said you don't care about online, cool....ill post these again- this is on SS/SIM....explain how this happened or how it doesn't qualify....this is me shooting all contested shots with KD

https://vid.me/7v0o

https://vid.me/tCnj





See above and chime in

Making a video would take me a lot longer. Also those examples you posted are fine yes. However, I still don't see it enough with other players. There's a reason I haven't really mentioned Durant in this thread because he is literally a beast offensively in 2K16. If I try doing similiar things with Curry he does a stupid fadeaway (which 2K reckons they're fixing) or he just totally clanks it because 2K thinks it's a terrible shot and therefore your timing is much harder.

Notice how he doesn't lean into the defender? Nearly every shot in that clip he's literally jumping away from his defender.

I never said anything about leaning into a defender. What are you going on about?

[bo.jangles344]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Making a video would take me a lot longer. Also those examples you posted are fine yes. However, I still don't see it enough with other players. There's a reason I haven't really mentioned Durant in this thread because he is literally a beast offensively in 2K16. If I try doing similiar things with Curry he does a stupid fadeaway (which 2K reckons they're fixing) or he just totally clanks it because 2K thinks it's a terrible shot and therefore your timing is much harder.


I never said anything about leaning into a defender. What are you going on about?

I'm just... I dunno.

Dude was just standing there taking a shot with kd. Your telling me you're so terrible at the game you don't want to run a screen and roll or run a play to get him open but just stand there and shoot?

Play on rookie. I dunno what else to say.

Bum.

[KGDunks]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

I'm just... I dunno.

Dude was just standing there taking a shot with kd. Your telling me you're so terrible at the game you don't want to run a screen and roll or run a play to get him open but just stand there and shoot?

Play on rookie. I dunno what else to say.

Bum.

:o You've done nothing in this thread but ignore people's valid points and just try to constantly insult people.

Never did I say anywhere about standing around and shooting shots.

Ever heard of isolating a player, letting him go to work in the high post and facing him up for a jumper Carmelo Anthony style? Or how about when a play breaks down and there's five on the shot clock. You have to improvise and the contested shots you end up taking rarely fall.

[The 24th Letter]

2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Making a video would take me a lot longer. Also those examples you posted are fine yes. However, I still don't see it enough with other players. There's a reason I haven't really mentioned Durant in this thread because he is literally a beast offensively in 2K16. If I try doing similiar things with Curry he does a stupid fadeaway (which 2K reckons they're fixing) or he just totally clanks it because 2K thinks it's a terrible shot and therefore your timing is much harder.





I never said anything about leaning into a defender. What are you going on about?

I can do one with Curry when I get a chance too. No problem whatsoever.

We can do the "I can", "I can't" thing all day. This is why I rather speak in video. Eliminates all the extra. At least we could see what context your taking these shots in, how often etc. it's not to say "LOL your wrong"...

[jeebs9]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Making a video would take me a lot longer. Also those examples you posted are fine yes. However, I still don't see it enough with other players. There's a reason I haven't really mentioned Durant in this thread because he is literally a beast offensively in 2K16. If I try doing similiar things with Curry he does a stupid fadeaway (which 2K reckons they're fixing) or he just totally clanks it because 2K thinks it's a terrible shot and therefore your timing is much harder.


I never said anything about leaning into a defender. What are you going on about?

I think that's what most of the people who are against this. Don't want to see. People just pulling up.

I played a guy who was really smart. He used size-up moves because I was playing off ball. And he totally toasted me. He would give Allen a move or 2. And the the CPU would jump to that side or he jump into nothing. And then pull up for the j. I wish I recorded that game. And all he was doing was pressing R2 and the right stick (that's all it takes to shake a defender like Tony Allen).

:o You've done nothing in this thread but ignore people's valid points and just try to constantly insult people.

Never did I say anywhere about standing around and shooting shots.

Ever heard of isolating a player, letting him go to work in the high post and facing him up for a jumper Carmelo Anthony style? Or how about when a play breaks down and there's five on the shot clock. You have to improvise and the contested shots you end up taking rarely fall.

Just try the size up moves first or the jab moves. I've hit the shots your talking about with Vince Carter. And he isn't even in this conversation lol

[Real2KInsider]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Good defense should be rewarded over bad offense.

Amazing how many people forget this is a video game.

Real world principles need not apply, beyond the NBA licence this game is very far from real life basketball.

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

The flaw with the signature contest animation is that your not able to user influence the timing: the meter does not start and so yes it makes your input seem nullified or irrelevant.

Let's boost contest shot success but still have user input be a strong factoring force.

It's also worth noting that we are limited to fixed jump shot animations whereas the real life counterparts are able to adjust and refine their form based on the context of the contested attempt.

We simply do not have the same tools to attempt and succeed at tightly contested shots at the clip the real life counterparts do: not against today's video game defense.

It's very misleading to hear people request 1 / 3 contested shots simply go in - no user input factored in. Is this not a sublime request at real fg% to save you?

I just don't see the value in scoring 1 / 3 of your tightly contested shots with no rhyme or reason.

Scenario 1
Tristan Thompson on Curry: jack a contested shot

Scenario 2
LeBron James on Curry: jack a contested shot

Scenario 3
Kyrie Irving Curry: jack a contested shot

And from there we can deduce that the request in this thread is to simply allow any one or more of these 3 attempts to fall? Just fall regardless of shot timing skill and defensive strength? Where is the genuine user skill in this?

Lazy balling aside: where is the fruit of competition in this when we also expect to see these Superstars go 50 - 75% from space and 90 - 100% from wide open? Why even use the rest of your team in half court when you have these gaudy success rates simply granted to you by virtue of ratings...

Please help me understand where the genius of user skill factors into this conversation? Online is a user skill competiton: not a Curry can do all things competition.

If we tailor this game offline we can (1) modify the shot contest strength on the gather and release (2) modify Offensive Awareness so players are more aware of their abilities (3) modify on ball defense (4) modify Offensive Consistency to tailor how easy it is for players to get and stay hot (5) we can tailor shooting success and general gameplay difficulty

Instant gratification is speaking loud in here and I'm marveled by this. I don't hear much of anything regarding, "my timing looks perfect but the shot looks horrible" - I just keep hearing impossible this, rarely this, no chance at this.

The game has a system of its own and what the said request in here does is it shows a lack of understanding and awareness of that said system. Out of ignorance people are requesting to be force fed higher success rates on challenging shots by virtue of player ratings and historical data - you may as well forfeit your controller to the CPU and watch the two teams play and edit the player cards (play the 2k god mode).

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[hanzsomehanz]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

I should be able to use jab steps, hesitations etc with players with the right amount of skill to create that gap necessary to get a shot off and hit it at a decent clip.

Do you think NBA players compete the same way they do in real life when they play this game?

This game has its own system which codes how the two competitors are geared to succeed. The system changes on a cyclical cycle and usually arrives in a new package every fall season of the following year.

Now considering the new fruits of labor on defense and the new fruits of labor on offense in this series: how can we possibly deduce that the game should still play out like the NBA in its entirety?

At some point we got to take our lemons and make lemonade or simply make much ado about nothing.

Disclaimer: the integrity of the NBA does not break the same way a video game does but the NBA does have a competition committee that is entrusted to monitor the game and continue to alter the system in an effort to adjust success and Failure rates: just as these video game developers do annually at 2k studios.

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[hanzsomehanz]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

I will further add that NBA contested shots have less strength due to the chance of shooting fouls: the video game is more forgiving here. It's also much easier for me to raise a hand in the video game than it is to successfully "disturb" a shot attempted by Curry in real life.

The blocking and contest strength in this series has been amped up and is a factor in dissuading the success of contested shot attempts whether in isolation or in traffic.

The tools 2K uses are video game tools: can we please use some distance between the virtual world of computer codes and the real physical world of autonomy? It's as if we have come to the point of blurring the lines overnight.

We are about 40 days removed from an older system that allowed you to cook in the face of tight defenders with green releases and little to no hit was delivered to your shot fatigue from all the zigging and zaging and turboing you did leading up to the shot attempt.

At last, I do have experience making skill shots off the dribble with and without size ups and have also been the victim of these successful maneuvers. I still don't see the value in the request to simply increase the success rate of these attempts: the value of the topic needs to be elevated to a higher request.

I can reason that hand down situations with defender close but not tight should favor the offense. If the defender is late on his contest: increase these success chances to favor offense. If defense is close snc times the hand contest fairly even with the offense attempt to shoot: give a wildcard dice roll based on key ratings between the two players - this system should again factor in hot and cold and neutral zone conditions.

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[hanzsomehanz]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

I understand that it may be hard to doubt your own level of competence but in competition there is always a greater and lesser opponent: it's plausible some are better than others at converting skill shots regardless of Superstar status.

I would also like to ask what is the volume of your tightly contested shot attempts per game? Volume Shooters take contested shots as part of their volume because of their Microwave ability to get in a rhythm and get hot quickly.

Attempting contested shots is something you do with confidence in your rhythm and on the other spectrum it's something you do out of desperation.

Again, I can accept a fairer dice roll system for these tightly contested shots that seem hopeless. These are usually the result of a stagnated offense. In no way should the dice roll numbers favor those who want to iso for 20s

Considering we do not play on 12 min quarters like the real life counterparts do: it is very critical we consider volume when critiquing the numbers present and the numbers we wish for.

In 6 minute quarter games you are not going to see the same numbers as the NBA: not when 99.9% of the community lacks professional NBA experience.

You are facing artifical intelligence and more than half the user population is a casual gamer with some basic nba knowledge at best..it comes down a lot to best practices.

I cannot get over the description in this title that the success on attempted contested shots is totally killed: why is this so heartbreaking?

If I can be the lenient parent for a minute I would beg to ask why my poor child keeps putting himself in a tight spot that he needs a higher chance of bailouts? If we even consider chances: you can flip a coin ten times and you are not guaranteed to get an even split on heads or tails albeit those are the only two possibilities...

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[Antonioshellz]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

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Draymond on SS/Sim with the shot clock running down.