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  • KGDunks
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    • Dec 2010
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    #196
    Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

    Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
    Do you guys post to get tips/help or do y'all just want an outlet to complain ?
    Do you just spend your entire time on here going into threads and doing your best to spin it 2K's way every time? It is embarrassing. The game isn't perfect, stop acting like it is.

    Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
    I have NEVER EVER said the op didn't have a point . Why do you guys keep saying that ?

    But it is possible to hit some contested shots like step backs and post fades. A few like Jab steps and faces ups could use a small boost.

    But as a whole I like where it is.
    I don't even think I mentioned fadeaways in the OP. I'm talking about sizing up your defender, using face up jabs etc to create a small gap to get a shot off in a defenders face.

    You wonder why people keep saying you don't think the OP doesn't have a point. You literally come into every negative thread and try to spin it some way so that the user is to blame. You did the same thing in the thread about MyPlayer ratings. "Oh but you guys should just make a different sized player blah blah blah".

    Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
    Also when you say things like I can't hit a step back with "Steph Curry " I wanna see video . Not to criticize but to give advice. I know 4 different ways to step back off the top of my head . There's about 4 different ways post fade. Some are more successful than others . How do I know which one you guys are doing ?
    I don't need advice. You know there's something broken with the game when game after game unless I'm literally wide open Curry will miss the majority of shots where a defender might get a contest on him that makes the shot tough. People on here will cry about online being too hard if they up these kind of ratings. Yes that might happen, but offline this is making things completely annoying for my franchise save with the Warriors with Stephen Curry currently shooting 35% on 3s and if you took out the simmed games it would be down at about 20%.

    Defence is a lot tougher in this game. I'm not going to dribble for twenty seconds just to trigger some animation that will work a lot more. That's you once again blindly defending 2K by spinning things against anyone that dares constructively criticise the game.

    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
    Y'all still using that "Fanboy" cop out because people don't agree with you?

    The ironic part is that people here have already acknowledged the issue is there and that hopefully it gets addressed.

    But as usual, some folks here got that selective reasoning thing going on. No surprise with this place.
    I know that the animation issue with contested shots is being fixed. That's only one part of it. The ability to go to work on your defender and hit jumpers in his grill just isn't there anymore. Carmelo used to be brilliant out of face ups in the post in 2K. Now I worry about him getting swatted or just completely clanking the shot because 2K doesn't think Carmelo should hit that shot which is quite absurd. Same goes for Curry when I dribble around the perimeter using a pick to my advantage only to cop a ridiculously short window to get a decent release because again 2K thinks that's not a shot that should ever really go in.
    Originally posted by The 24th Letter
    Clearly the latter.

    People acting like we're asking for their social security number if we ask for them to share their experience. I remember when only select few could do so, now we all have the ability. Why not use it?
    No you see people have more things to do in their life than sit around and make 2K videos all day. Me posting a video of me clanking a few shots with Carmelo isn't going to prove anything. It's the same with those who post a few videos of them hitting jumpers with a contest. I don't have the time to properly expose this issue which would require a long jumper to show that the issue is a regular occurrence.
    Originally posted by bo.jangles344
    Last year we all screamed for defense to come back after patch 4.

    2k put out a game where it was REALLY hard to score. I thought 3s could use a SLIGHT boost and instead they are about 50/50 right now which is still too high. Take into account the skill of the user and how the defense is playing and results may vary. Then we got another tweak that bumped up layup success.

    NOW you guys want more contested shots? I don't get it.

    Sure, I've had instances where i faded instead of pulling straight up, or my guy acts like he got nervous too early. But is this really the road you want to go down?

    It's already too easy to score as MANY MANY people have pointed out.

    You don't want good d to be in this game, go play 15.

    I swear, threads like this are ruining the game.

    I posted in this thread earlier that the TWO BEST SHOOTERS IN THE LEAGUE barely hit low 30% in the finals and THAT WAS UNPRECEDENTED.

    Jesus... What do you want?
    I honestly couldn't care less about online. The way the game plays shouldn't be revolved around what will happen online. You come in here with your sensationalist post carrying on like I'm asking 2K to let me hit shots over triple teams on a regular basis or something. Carmelo should be hard to guard from face ups, Curry should be a guy you cannot give an inch to in 2K, yet you get anywhere near him and unless he's in the spot up shooting animation he won't hit much.

    Originally posted by jeebs9
    I brought this up before. And I think that's the main problem here. The SIT might need to be brought back. But I'm not going to say the current its not possible. It is. But with a little work done.
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/zavEL5NOmZ8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    You just need to create space. Using R2 for the size up. Makes a huge difference. I've only played with Curry like twice. But both times I did. I hit a few step backs. i know the feeling of missing a bunch of face up jumpers. Because I play with Z-Bo/Gasol and Dirk a lot. And yes it just seems like they can't hit anything that not a catch and shoot.

    Should SIT be for every shot (even layups)? Or just jump shooting alone?
    I know you need to create space and that's part of the problem. In real life the majority of offensive players don't shake their man completely on a regular basis. They shoot a lot of shots where the defender is in the vicinity, yet in 2k the game almost forces you to loose your man completely to hit anything. I've also noticed it in MyCareer with my 6'6 shooting guard. He has high shooting ratings, all the fadeaway badges etc, yet I use hesitations on the likes of Jason Terry, Bradley Beal etc all with a significant height mismatch and the shots rarely come close to falling.

    If you're a good shooter, you're rarely affected by a defender being in the vicinity. Ray Allen made a career out of shooting over people like they're not even there.



    Originally posted by bo.jangles344
    If you wanna see stepbacks and off the dribble and post fades, go the park. With the right badges and high ratings you can do anything.

    You guys don't understand what these threads do to other game modes.
    Yeah because those plays never happen in real life. Do you even watch NBA?
    Originally posted by kabamaru
    This is a great example of what I am talking about Jeebs.

    You did a great job creating space and stepback freeze with KD to hit the jumper.

    Would you hit the jumper without the stepback? Not very likely


    Would it be required for KD to do the stepback to hit the shot in real life? Surely not.

    Is it most possible for e.g Melo to shoot from the corner with a stepback or from triple threat position, straight up?
    Originally posted by Peninc
    You are not wrong. But the truth is without attacking anyone, there are people who will say you are, because you represent the percentage of people who want to "ruin" the game from their perspective.

    The truth is that any shot that is even marginally contested gets a shot grade. If that shot grade is below a C, the chances of that shot going in are extremely low. Some may say that's a good thing. Sure it is a good thing in order to balance the game for multiplayer. But it does not replicate real NBA basketball.

    The fact that on Sim settings the AI barely allows you room by bumping and bodying you to ridiculous levels and then "shot fatigue" comes into play. Chances of making any sort of late shotclock shot outside of the paint that isn't wide open are dramatically reduced.

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    It's a joke I literally spend massive periods of games clanking everything because defenders won't give an inch the majority of the time, which is fine. But then you can't completely water down how effective jump shots in those situations can be. It's unrealistic.
    Originally posted by jeebs9
    I'll try to answers these the best that I can. So of the questions confused me.

    Would you hit the jumper without the stepback? Not very likely
    Probably not.... Here is the thing. Do you want users to be able to just Pull up for a jumper. And be rewarded. I don't know.... seems we would opening the door to some BS in my opinion.

    Would it be required for KD to do the stepback to hit the shot in real life? Surely not. Probably not... We've all seen KD hit face up jumpers like this (without the step back). Like I said above... I think the defense needs a chance here (without the stepback). I think if someone is playing defense and press L2. The shot % should be really low. But if the defender isn't.. It should be a little higher (for certain players)

    Is it most possible for e.g Melo to shoot from the corner with a stepback or from triple threat position, straight up? Yes this is possible in a game. From Triple Threat if your defender backs away when you jab and you pull up. I've seen shots like this go down. It's about reading the defense. The same way they have this years pick and roll defense. You have to set up the defender for the pick. You just can't turbo. I think it should be the same for the face up situation we're talking about. If a guy is all up in your grill. You should drive by him or jab him.
    Originally posted by kabamaru
    So we should build a worse Curry in game than real life just because irl is too good and it will be hard to defend against? A Curry who will hit heavily contested jumpers at a rate of 10%? I wouldn't mind Curry to hit 3/10 heavily contested against me. As it is right now, Curry is one of the easiest players to shut down with if you really want. You just use off-ball against him, go over the screen, smother and deny defense with a fast defender like wall. Curry will score 10 pts max in game with horrendous shot %
    Exactly. Double him on the pick and rolls, force others to shoot, you might still lose but people are being ridiculous here. They're acting like this is 2K9 with the Kobe and Lebron spin cheese.

    I'm just after a more realistic experience and certain posters just want to shoot me and others down. Pathetic really.

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    • The 24th Letter
      ERA
      • Oct 2007
      • 39373

      #197
      Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

      Kevin Durant definitely creates space, even when he's in a triple threat....this is him last night...notice the two times Ariza was right in his wheelhouse he drove and pulled up...

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      • KGDunks
        Banned
        • Dec 2010
        • 524

        #198
        Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

        Originally posted by bo.jangles344
        Just can't stay away...

        That is false. Shots were upped across the board and also shot animations were guaranteed more green releases and since defense didn't effect the release point they went in even heavily contested. I know this because i ended up making a 6'10 sf and constantly had people draining in my face. Half the time they didn't care if you contested because next time down they would just pull and likely get a green since they were guaranteed. This year is much improved but still not enough penalty is enforced for shooting off the dribble.

        Not everyone is steph curry, there's only one. Even if you play with steph doesn't guarantee you can play like him.

        The second we start rewarding people for taking stupid shots the second online competitiveness ends.
        Yeah, but people can play off ball defence, allow the man guarding Curry or whoever to blanket him constantly and force them to shoot a tough shot only for it to never go in.

        Sounds realistic and fair. :o

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        • kabamaru
          MVP
          • Nov 2013
          • 2478

          #199
          Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

          Originally posted by Peninc
          You know the game has to be neutered when the devs have to design a pause or stutter in your running animation when you go around a pick, just to ensure that people can't just turbo into the lane at will.
          ISO pick and fade with LBJ and Yao and was one of my main offensive strategies in 2k15, when very very few people used pick 'n' rolls (this year almost everyone does due to the inability of AI to defend)

          I was shocked that LBJ would just NOT go around the pick and hesitate when the game first came out.

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          • KGDunks
            Banned
            • Dec 2010
            • 524

            #200
            Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
            Kevin Durant definitely creates space, even when he's in a triple threat....this is him last night...notice the two times Ariza was right in his wheelhouse he drove and pulled up...

            http://youtu.be/f_3DSXZ-BOU
            Not always.



            Notice in the second clip how he shoots straight over a defender. In 2K you would front rim that 99% of the time. That's exactly the thing I'm talking about mostly. They've totally killed that little mini game of playing tit for tat with the defender. It's more about hoping they fall or get cleaned up by a pick now.

            2K right now is operating on the assumption that offensive players need a decent amount of space to shoot a decent shot. Unless you're Spud Webb or Nate Robinson this just simply isn't true.
            Last edited by KGDunks; 11-03-2015, 12:04 PM.

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            • kabamaru
              MVP
              • Nov 2013
              • 2478

              #201
              Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

              Originally posted by The 24th Letter
              Kevin Durant definitely creates space, even when he's in a triple threat....this is him last night...notice the two times Ariza was right in his wheelhouse he drove and pulled up...

              http://youtu.be/f_3DSXZ-BOU
              Great video you posted.

              In game all these shots would be contested and almost all would brick

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              • bo.jangles344
                Banned
                • Jun 2013
                • 1007

                #202
                Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

                Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                Kevin Durant definitely creates space, even when he's in a triple threat....this is him last night...notice the two times Ariza was right in his wheelhouse he drove and pulled up...

                http://youtu.be/f_3DSXZ-BOU
                /thread

                Kd had someone in his Jersey in each of those shots but not until he had time to release. How many of those did he miss tho?

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                • The 24th Letter
                  ERA
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 39373

                  #203
                  2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

                  Originally posted by KGDunks
                  Spoiler


                  You don't have time, but you just wrote a book page in responses here man, lol

                  You said you don't care about online, cool....ill post these again- this is on SS/SIM....explain how this happened or how it doesn't qualify....this is me shooting all contested shots with KD

                  https://vid.me/7v0o

                  https://vid.me/tCnj


                  Originally posted by kabamaru
                  Great video you posted.



                  In game all these shots would be contested and almost all would brick

                  See above and chime in
                  Last edited by The 24th Letter; 11-03-2015, 12:15 PM.

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                  • bo.jangles344
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2013
                    • 1007

                    #204
                    Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

                    Originally posted by KGDunks
                    Not always.



                    Notice in the second clip how he shoots straight over a defender. In 2K you would front rim that 99% of the time. That's exactly the thing I'm talking about mostly. They've totally killed that little mini game of playing tit for tat with the defender. It's more about hoping they fall or get cleaned up by a pick now.

                    2K right now is operating on the assumption that offensive players need a decent amount of space to shoot a decent shot. Unless you're Spud Webb or Nate Robinson this just simply isn't true.
                    Notice how he doesn't lean into the defender? Nearly every shot in that clip he's literally jumping away from his defender.

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                    • The 24th Letter
                      ERA
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 39373

                      #205
                      2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

                      Double post

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                      • jeebs9
                        Fear is the Unknown
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 47562

                        #206
                        Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

                        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                        Kevin Durant definitely creates space, even when he's in a triple threat....this is him last night...notice the two times Ariza was right in his wheelhouse he drove and pulled up...

                        http://youtu.be/f_3DSXZ-BOU
                        This is why I like the current way it is. If you want to start knocking down contested shots. Get your players hot.
                        Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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                        • bo.jangles344
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2013
                          • 1007

                          #207
                          Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

                          Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                          You don't have time, but you just wrote a book page in responses here man, lol

                          You said you don't care about online, cool....ill post these again- this is on SS/SIM....explain how this happened or how it doesn't qualify....this is me shooting all contested shots with KD

                          https://vid.me/7v0o

                          https://vid.me/tCnj





                          See above and chime in
                          GETEM!

                          I only watched 4 shots, 50% is bad? That's with minimal dribbling and barely any space.

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                          • jeebs9
                            Fear is the Unknown
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 47562

                            #208
                            Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

                            Originally posted by kabamaru
                            Great video you posted.

                            In game all these shots would be contested and almost all would brick
                            Not really..... a lot of these shots are considered open

                            Originally posted by KGDunks
                            Not always.



                            Notice in the second clip how he shoots straight over a defender. In 2K you would front rim that 99% of the time. That's exactly the thing I'm talking about mostly. They've totally killed that little mini game of playing tit for tat with the defender. It's more about hoping they fall or get cleaned up by a pick now.

                            2K right now is operating on the assumption that offensive players need a decent amount of space to shoot a decent shot. Unless you're Spud Webb or Nate Robinson this just simply isn't true.
                            I agree with you.... But like I said before. I think we should wait until 2k17. I think the devs need to look very deep into this. I can't remember which 2k it was. But there was one that I could face up with Iggy. And if the defender didn't put his hand up. The shot was going in like 90% of the time.

                            Originally posted by bo.jangles344
                            Notice how he doesn't lean into the defender? Nearly every shot in that clip he's literally jumping away from his defender.
                            Yea I think people get contested and late contested mixed up.
                            Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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                            • kabamaru
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 2478

                              #209
                              Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

                              Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                              You don't have time, but you just wrote a book page in responses here man, lol

                              You said you don't care about online, cool....ill post these again- this is on SS/SIM....explain how this happened or how it doesn't qualify....this is me shooting all contested shots with KD

                              https://vid.me/7v0o

                              https://vid.me/tCnj





                              See above and chime in
                              Yeah, some went in, some went missed in normal %. I would be ok with that. However the sample is very small, and the ratings were C- and below. Believe me, you will not get a 33% in contested shots with D's and C- etc.

                              In 6 shots you might. But in 100 shots you will never hit 33 in Supersta Sim

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                              • The 24th Letter
                                ERA
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 39373

                                #210
                                Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

                                Originally posted by kabamaru
                                Yeah, some went in, some went missed in normal %. I would be ok with that. However the sample is very small, and the ratings were C- and below. Believe me, you will not get a 33% in contested shots with D's and C- etc.



                                In 6 shots you might. But in 100 shots you will never hit 33 in Supersta Sim


                                Originally posted by kabamaru
                                Yeah, some went in, some went missed in normal %. I would be ok with that. However the sample is very small, and the ratings were C- and below. Believe me, you will not get a 33% in contested shots with D's and C- etc.



                                In 6 shots you might. But in 100 shots you will never hit 33 in Supersta Sim

                                Yep you definitely can....especially with guys like KD/Curry...

                                Keep in mind this vid is form before any shooting tweaks and is a reflection of what I see when I play. I can provide a larger size easily....6 forced shots directly shakes the idea that it's impossible to score contested shots with these guys...

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