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  • 2_headedmonster
    MVP
    • Oct 2011
    • 2251

    #1

    Why are passes so protected?

    This is what being active in passing lanes looks like. High hands on passes, redirecting angles, tips and steals

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    One of the reasons 2k's defense is so forgiving is because the passes are largely tethered to the receiver. This allows them to zip and whiz around the court while accelerating the receiver from time to time. Im sure that's something that might be difficult to eliminate totally from a technical stand point, but what i dont understand is why that issue is compounded by clueless and passive passing lane defense.

    I can be lurking in the passing lanes with a known thief, time it, and get "rewarded" with an awkward steal attempt that looks more like my defender is playing dodge ball trying to avoid contact with the ball. Sure, i shouldn't always get the steal, but tipping a pass coming directly at a person takes minimal hand-eye coordination. RE...WARD... ME.

    My teammates could seemingly care less if the ball is within reach when swung around the perimeter, they turn a blind-eye and ignore the strategic position they are put in. Immediately after patch 4 it seemed as if this was vastly improved, but i was told to go to the main menu for an update in the days following and it had reverted.

    On top of that, passes are protected even further with the "contest pass" (right stick away) function doing absolutely nothing. Its an important tool defending entry passes and pick and pop plays. I dont remember this being the case upon release, but as it is now, the input gets no reaction and relying on the steal button can result in unwanted reaching fouls. So my teammates dont have hands in the passing lane, and

    In short, the offense can freely swing the ball around and the defense, no matter how well positioned, is at its mercy. Why is that? I personally always turn up 'play passing lanes' and the steal rating. Why do so many of the members of the community seem to be against tipped passes?
  • Rockie_Fresh88
    Lockdown Defender
    • Oct 2011
    • 9621

    #2
    Re: Why are passes so protected?

    The CPU steals them pretty good
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    • ksuttonjr76
      All Star
      • Nov 2004
      • 8662

      #3
      Re: Why are passes so protected?

      Actually, I don't know too many people who are against it. Personally, I agree. I find it kinda annoying how some people can whip passes around hazardously, but the ball rarely gets tipped or stolen. I don't mind good ball movement, but I do think the game is too forgiving on cross court passes.

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      • 2_headedmonster
        MVP
        • Oct 2011
        • 2251

        #4
        Re: Why are passes so protected?

        Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
        The CPU steals them pretty good
        They have a few moments, but IMO no where near as proficient as they or my teammates should be.

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        • 2_headedmonster
          MVP
          • Oct 2011
          • 2251

          #5
          Re: Why are passes so protected?

          Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
          Actually, I don't know too many people who are against it. Personally, I agree. I find it kinda annoying how some people can whip passes around hazardously, but the ball rarely gets tipped or stolen. I don't mind good ball movement, but I do think the game is too forgiving on cross court passes.
          from what ive seen, since 2k11 when they tighten up the passing lane defense there is some negative murmuring and it gets very forgiving.
          example:

          This is probably the biggest issue I've had with the game so far. There are CONSTANTLY passes being stolen by the AI, often when it just shouldn't happen. I could have a player open by a few feet and the pass will be made toward the defense and knocked away. I've tried tweaking the "Play Passing Lanes" slider and it didn't seem to do anything. I've seen a few comments on this problem. Anyone know a tweak for this?
          It's definitely excessive, but you just have to change your game unfortunately.
          ... a few minutes ago: PG pass from top to the SG on the wing, C back screens for PG, SG passes to the cutter, and his defender steals it like it's nothing. I've had issues with this since 2K11.
          Not the high post...the man wants to pass from the three point line to a backdoor in the paint for goodness sakes lol....

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          • stillfeelme
            MVP
            • Aug 2010
            • 2407

            #6
            Re: Why are passes so protected?

            Originally posted by 2_headedmonster
            They have a few moments, but IMO no where near as proficient as they or my teammates should be.
            The question to why passes are protected?

            They do this to control certain aspects of the game to make the game more difficult and to keep turnovers within a certain amount. It shouldn't be like this but that is the way they programmed the game.

            The game almost penalizes you for playing the passing lanes against the CPU. Where the real problem is the passing into the paint is way, way too easy.

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            • The 24th Letter
              ERA
              • Oct 2007
              • 39373

              #7
              Why are passes so protected?

              I remember back in the earlier 2k's it was super responsive...2K4 was the worst, you literally couldn't complete a damn pass vs. the Pistons....I think the quickness of response should be determined by ratings..
              Last edited by The 24th Letter; 12-27-2015, 04:36 PM.

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              • 2_headedmonster
                MVP
                • Oct 2011
                • 2251

                #8
                Re: Why are passes so protected?

                Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                I remember back in the earlier 2k's it was super responsive...2K4 was the worst, you literally couldn't complete a damn pass vs. the Pistons....I think the quickness of response should be determined by ratings..
                I agree. There's a reacting rating and it should be put to use. There's a reason certain passes aren't made around certain players.

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                • hanzsomehanz
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 3275

                  #9
                  Re: Why are passes so protected?

                  Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
                  The CPU steals them pretty good
                  If we have same or better success than CPU in playing the lanes: it's an easy RIP to the CPU off steals alone.

                  The game cannot afford to have us play lanes as well as the CPU, not in its current condition of coding lol

                  In My Career I see the same repeat plays developing and try as I may: the ball will still often reach its intended target despite my clear interference.

                  It's how the computer gets by... put us on their level of strength for playing the passing lanes and help defense: and it will get to the point where we have to resist in an effort to keep the games close and interesting

                  Instead of us handicapping ourself: the game does it for us lol oh well its still a win for us and and L for them


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                  • hanzsomehanz
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 3275

                    #10
                    Re: Why are passes so protected?

                    I also want to add that we are afforded a god 360 view which the real life counterparts are not

                    In reality it's a big risk taking your eye off your man or playing the lane more than a pass / man away. In the game: I can see a screen developing behind me, say floppy play or pin down, and I can interfere in anticipation. The concern becomes exacerbated when we are able to cycle through different defenders on the fly and steer them into position.

                    So again, if the success becomes too cheesy: we end up resorting to gentleman rules or requesting patch fixes.

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                    • Hustle Westbrook
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2015
                      • 3113

                      #11
                      Re: Why are passes so protected?

                      You can't steal passes for **** in this game, especially those cheesy lead passes down court that people love to do for easy buckets.
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                      • derlaid
                        Rookie
                        • Oct 2015
                        • 105

                        #12
                        Re: Why are passes so protected?

                        I think if you guys played park on PC against certain people you'd change your mind.

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                        • The 24th Letter
                          ERA
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 39373

                          #13
                          Re: Why are passes so protected?

                          One thing I did notice when I switched everything over to manual is I'm able to make more plays like this....it's like the assist settings slow reaction time

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                          • 2_headedmonster
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 2251

                            #14
                            Re: Why are passes so protected?

                            Originally posted by hanzsomehanz
                            I also want to add that we are afforded a god 360 view which the real life counterparts are not

                            In reality it's a big risk taking your eye off your man or playing the lane more than a pass / man away. In the game: I can see a screen developing behind me, say floppy play or pin down, and I can interfere in anticipation. The concern becomes exacerbated when we are able to cycle through different defenders on the fly and steer them into position.

                            So again, if the success becomes too cheesy: we end up resorting to gentleman rules or requesting patch fixes.

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                            this is completely true.

                            But being able to see the play develop doesn't change the counter for an over-aggressive defender. If you're flying around off a single screen, you should be more susceptible to a backdoor. If you are trying to undercut a double, the reliever should fade behind the screens.

                            also, in the nba the offensive player is more physical when trying to create an angle for the pass and establish positioning. representing that would allow for balance vs aggressive defenders.

                            There are basketball solutions for these problems.
                            Last edited by 2_headedmonster; 12-28-2015, 01:47 PM.

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                            • 2_headedmonster
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 2251

                              #15
                              Re: Why are passes so protected?

                              Originally posted by LO6IX
                              They'd have to make passing quicker and faster before they think about making them easier to steal imo and they'd have to make offensive player be more aware and find open spots when doubles come. I was just playing a game where I was down by 3 and my opponent tries doubling LeBron, leaving Kyrie open in the corner then LeBron throws a beach ball to Kyrie who then decides to step inside the line to make matters worse.
                              I would agree that awareness in multiple areas would have to be tuned, but one thing i think that's odd is That many passes that shouldn't be fast are, and ones you thinks quick often float.

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