Offball needs to actually have a consequence

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Not even close at all. Two completely different games that are portraying different sports. I can beat superstar aim ai with an iso EVERY SINGLE TIME. it's an algorithm not anything else.....

Why wouldn't you want to play on ball and see if you can play actual defense and guess what they're doing? I get beat when I'm playing on ball and I say nice move.


And if you're having problems with people getting left open or pick and rolls that's your fault too. Plenty of defensive settings to combat it.

Tight/deny on good shooters. Moderate for okay shooters (Lebron etc) and gap for deandre Jordan types. 3/4 bottom post for the 4 and 5. Switch guards only on picks. No hedge on the pick and roll and when you see one coming (always on ball) cut ahead of it and the person who is guarding the person setting the screen will back down and be in space on the roll of get a steal. Jesus Christ. Not like all the tools have been provided to these people claiming they "need" off ball right???


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or i can play as the center, defend backdoor cuts and clean the boards.

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

This isn't a valid comparison.

Your linemen don't all become reincarnations of the combo of Urlacher, Sapp and JJ watt because they become computers.

In 2K, leaving a computer against a user with the ball is very annoying and not fun to deal with. Plus, it takes A TON more skill to user saftey than to off-ball center.

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Anybody who hasn't seen this video from a few years back should really watch it User Safety Skill at its finest. NSFW mild bad language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNSAX1Ckt4Y

I play on HOF with on-ball defense on 60 and defensive awareness on 100. Getting by the a.i on superstar is not hard at all.

[Philbin]

Offball needs to actually have a consequence

or i can play as the center, defend backdoor cuts and clean the boards.

Or you can make more excuses for playing off ball instead of manning up. Press a when the shot goes up and then battle for a board. Backdoor cuts are all but a moot point with those settings.....


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[2_headedmonster]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Or you can make more excuses for playing off ball instead of manning up. Press a when the shot goes up and then battle for a board. Backdoor cuts are all but a moot point with those settings.....


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Im not looking to get any behavior excused lmao. I paid 65 bucks for my game and I can play it however I choose. I dont subscribe to the 'be everyone, do everything' macho mentality and all the pleading in the world to 'man up' wont change that.

I play safety on Madden and I play center on 2k and I enjoy it
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[raidertiger]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Only fools think that on-ball D is the only way to play. This ain't ISO ball era, screens and ball movement are a huge part of the game, and players who can thrive off-ball are commodities in the NBA.

[A6_Foul_Out]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Im not looking to get any behavior excused lmao. I paid 65 bucks for my game and I can play it however I choose. I dont subscribe to the 'be everyone, do everything' macho mentality and all the pleading in the world to 'man up' wont change that.

I play safety on Madden and I play center on 2k and I enjoy it
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You still can't understand why safety in madden is different than center in 2k?

Ever hear of that town pond where everybody used to fish?

The town put out a law that said that each house could only catch 1 fish per day.

Well, you see, nobody enforced that law. And people realized that you could catch more fish and have more food for your family.

What ends up happening? The pond runs out of fish and everybody is sad.

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Here, nobody is stopping [you] players from playing in such a fashion that is annoying, skill-less and completely detrimental to the experience.

What's should happen is that playing off-ball should not be something that a skilled player chooses to do.

What ends up happening is that you simply annoy and alienate people who have to play against it.

The much better solution, is to make players who do this lose. This should not be a winning tactic.

[A6_Foul_Out]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Only fools think that on-ball D is the only way to play. This ain't ISO ball era, screens and ball movement are a huge part of the game, and players who can thrive off-ball are commodities in the NBA.

There's a difference between hiding completely by never guarding the ball. And making the adjustments needed by switching players.

This is referring to the former.

[Philbin]

Offball needs to actually have a consequence

There's a difference between hiding completely by never guarding the ball. And making the adjustments needed by switching players.



This is referring to the former.

Exactly. Off ball at times is necessary. The fast break cheeser is pretty common this year. So what I do RIGHT AWAY press right button to bring up the icons and then left bumper to do furthest person back and sprint back and beat any sort of layup or dunk. Once it's in a half court set I go on ball.


Also on Xbox it doesn't show who is being controlled on defense.



And no off ball (the kind where it's THE WHOLE GAME) does not take any skill this year. Let's stop alluding to that. If it was harder how come every time you beat someone on two to three plays where they moved their feet wrong they'll go RIGHT to all off ball and just get beat in the boring general offline superstar sim way.



Maybe just learn to shuffle your feet better in game and cut off angles instead of trying to justify a bad game mechanic?


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[jeebs9]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

You still can't understand why safety in madden is different than center in 2k?

Ever hear of that town pond where everybody used to fish?

The town put out a law that said that each house could only catch 1 fish per day.

Well, you see, nobody enforced that law. And people realized that you could catch more fish and have more food for your family.

What ends up happening? The pond runs out of fish and everybody is sad.

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Here, nobody is stopping [you] players from playing in such a fashion that is annoying, skill-less and completely detrimental to the experience.

What's should happen is that playing off-ball should not be something that a skilled player chooses to do.

What ends up happening is that you simply annoy and alienate people who have to play against it.

The much better solution, is to make players who do this lose. This should not be a winning tactic.

Did everyone here miss the bold above?

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Did everyone here miss the bold above?

thats a TERRIBLE analogy lmmfao. Im not exhausting a finite resource by playing as the center on NBA 2k16

[downsouth]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

I like how its sim someone to iso dribble for 20 secs until you lose a defender and never run plays but not sim to control all your players on defense. Only being an occasional player in the 5 on 5 modes it seems like whining to me.

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[alabamarob]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

The game has mypark and proam to get a full non cpu experience. Everybody plays on ball 100 percent of the time in those modes. I am glad they added those modes for the guys who "dont want to play against the cpu." With those modes available i dont get why this topic is even an issue. The game is 5 on 5. There will always be 4 cpu controlled defenders on the floor. Which one someone uses is irrelevant and they shouldnt make the cpu defenders dumber then they already are. Its not very "sim" to make the ratings of a player change just because they are not human controlled or being guarded by a human.

[BezO]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Here, nobody is stopping [you] players from playing in such a fashion that is annoying, skill-less and completely detrimental to the experience.

It seems to only annoy those that live to iso user controlled opponents.

It takes "skill" to guard off-ball if your opponent knows what to do.

Only detrimental to those that live to iso user controlled opponents.

What's should happen is that playing off-ball should not be something that a skilled player chooses to do.

What ends up happening is that you simply annoy and alienate people who have to play against it.

The much better solution, is to make players who do this lose. This should not be a winning tactic.

Or maybe iso-ing user controlled defenders as often as possible is something that a skilled player shouldn't do. Or maybe folks should just play how they want and their opponents should adjust.

It only seems to alienate those that live to iso user controlled opponents.

They do lose when they don't adjust to those that make it just as hard to play off-ball as on.

And no off ball (the kind where it's THE WHOLE GAME) does not take any skill this year. Let's stop alluding to that. If it was harder how come every time you beat someone on two to three plays where they moved their feet wrong they'll go RIGHT to all off ball and just get beat in the boring general offline superstar sim way.

Maybe just learn to shuffle your feet better in game and cut off angles instead of trying to justify a bad game mechanic?

IMO it takes just as much skill to play off-ball against someone that knows how to punish you for it. You have to defend cuts, pick & rolls, screens, etc.

I think it's hilarious that you think folks that don't play how you want them to play lack skill.

[Lord Bonium]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

I like how its sim someone to iso dribble for 20 secs until you lose a defender and never run plays but not sim to control all your players on defense. Only being an occasional player in the 5 on 5 modes it seems like whining to me.

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What a ridiculous statement, i doubt anyone here does that crap. If people do that or abuse something else then by all means go off ball. Personally i just play freelance basketball. Feed the post, drive and kick/dump, swing the ball, pick and roll/fade, once in a while a quick iso for all of 3 seconds tops.

I want to play against a human (on ball) because:

- i don't enjoy being guarded by a magnet that doesn't experience the same online and/or input lag as me. Talk about unfair competition.

- WHEN i try to run plays the cpu defender just rips the ball away too often while i'm waiting (takes too long) for the play to develop. Even when i'm shielding the ball. Humans get called for reach ins, cpu not so much.

- When i go past a human defender i don't get stopped by an invisible force, unlike going past a cpu defender.

- cpu barely ever bites on fakes, both on the perimeter and in the post.

- etc... In short, most humans make mistakes that i can punish, cpu not so much. Especially when they have high ratings.

People in myteam put a bunch of players on the court with 90+ defensive ratings controlled by the cpu and think they're hot doody. They can do whatever they want, be delusional but don't expect an on ball defender to indulge in that fantasy.

[Lord Bonium]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

It seems to only annoy those that live to iso user controlled opponents.

It takes "skill" to guard off-ball if your opponent knows what to do.

Only detrimental to those that live to iso user controlled opponents.

Or maybe iso-ing user controlled defenders as often as possible is something that a skilled player shouldn't do. Or maybe folks should just play how they want and their opponents should adjust.

It only seems to alienate those that live to iso user controlled opponents.

They do lose when they don't adjust to those that make it just as hard to play off-ball as on.

IMO it takes just as much skill to play off-ball against someone that knows how to punish you for it. You have to defend cuts, pick & rolls, screens, etc.

I think it's hilarious that you think folks that don't play how you want them to play lack skill.

Uh no, it takes a little more skill to guard on ball, predicting moves, taking away angles, avoiding screens, switching on the pass and closing out properly without overplaying, guarding the post without falling for fakes, quickly switching to defenders out of position, etc etc

If it was as easy as off ball more people would use it... Oh yeah, standing next to the least dangerous offensive player for 24 seconds takes a lot of skill. Or if you're a "good" off ball player you go roam around the passing lanes, exploiting 2k's slow delayed passing animations and floaty passes. Amazing.