Offball needs to actually have a consequence

[Philbin]

Offball needs to actually have a consequence

A person looking to iso their opponent all game is not looking for a realistic experience. Can't have it both ways.



The gamer that is looking for a realistic experience is relying on sets, action, running plays, p&r, sending teeamates on cuts, etc. And doing those things makes off-ball D a non-factor at best, detrimental at worst.



If off-ball D is bothering you, maybe it's your style that needs to change. Or you could just stick to playing like minded people.

Hey bezos once again. I have no problem obliterating off ball defense. I have no problem with sets, cuts and everything. I've literally put this out there like 15 times. Been playing 2k a long time. Tired of saying that.... Winning even if it's often and handily isn't fun online. May as well have played offline on superstar sim. Same thing essentially. Same difficulty and randomness as playing the AI is....

Just went and took this picture and am in greatest of all time to Hall of fame in play now. I don't need your help with the game or any explanation. Here let me do this to you real quick because I'm guessing you have problems with basic defense if you're playing off ball

If you prefer playing defense against only big men as a center because you feel you can't control your thumbs like a human being and move your feet against guards because I guess you don't understand basic defense may I suggest maybe offline or making a center for pro-am?




Also kind of wondering what happened to that its more sim to play center? It went from that to LET PEOPLE PLAY WHAT THEY WANT And OMG WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH and PLAY WITH LIKE MINDED PEOPLE. Seemed to be after I asked to find any sim league that allows consistent off ball. Way to back off your point on that one.




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[BezO]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Hey bezos once again. I have no problem obliterating off ball defense. I have no problem with sets, cuts and everything. I've literally put this out there like 15 times. Been playing 2k a long time. Tired of saying that.... Winning even if it's often and handily isn't fun online. May as well have played offline on superstar sim. Same thing essentially. Same difficulty and randomness as playing the AI is....

Just went and took this picture and am in greatest of all time to Hall of fame in play now. I don't need your help with the game or any explanation. Here let me do this to you real quick because I'm guessing you have problems with basic defense if you're playing off ball

If you prefer playing defense against only big men as a center because you feel you can't control your thumbs like a human being and move your feet against guards because I guess you don't understand basic defense may I suggest maybe offline or making a center for pro-am?




Also kind of wondering what happened to that its more sim to play center? It went from that to LET PEOPLE PLAY WHAT THEY WANT And OMG WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH and PLAY WITH LIKE MINDED PEOPLE. Seemed to be after I asked to find any sim league that allows consistent off ball. Way to back off your point on that one.

Philbins, not sure why we're having this disconnect. Almost seems like you're not reading anything I'm saying. Or maybe you're just having of tough time with English. Is it your second language? I've said nothing about difficulty, winning, you having trouble, how good or bad you are...

I'm simply responding to what you're complaining about, playing off-ball defense is easy, cheesey, not sim, etc. Maybe re-read my posts with this in mind to see if you can grasp what I'm saying. Read slow. Take your time. Basically, I'm saying it ain't easy or cheesey if the opponent attacks it. You can't "hide" as you put it unless your opponent lets you.

You also missed where I said I play ON-ball EXCLUSIVELY. And I don't play online. So miss me with your help.

Maybe it's hard to understand folks when you're so stuck on your point and folks have countered it so well. I don't know what to tell you...

Lastly, I'm not sure how you define sim, but most of us here define it as playing the video game as close to how real basketball is played. Who you control has nothing to do with that.

But you won't read or understand this either.

[Philbin]

Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Philbins, not sure why we're having this disconnect. Almost seems like you're not reading anything I'm saying. Or maybe you're just having of tough time with English. Is it your second language? I've said nothing about difficulty, winning, you having trouble, how good or bad you are...



I'm simply responding to what you're complaining about, playing off-ball defense is easy, cheesey, not sim, etc. Maybe re-read my posts with this in mind to see if you can grasp what I'm saying. Read slow. Take your time. Basically, I'm saying it ain't easy or cheesey if the opponent attacks it. You can't "hide" as you put it unless your opponent lets you.



You also missed where I said I play ON-ball EXCLUSIVELY. And I don't play online. So miss me with your help.



Maybe it's hard to understand folks when you're so stuck on your point and folks have countered it so well. I don't know what to tell you...



Lastly, I'm not sure how you define sim, but most of us here define it as playing the video game as close to how real basketball is played. Who you control has nothing to do with that.



But you won't read or understand this either.

I addressed the same things you're typing bud. There's been zero counter. You pull the same dumb little rant. Being able to beat AI ON SUPERSTAR SIM every time irrelevant or player or who's guarding me is not sim. Sorry bud. If I can beat kawhi (because i know someone is playing off ball) with say ****ing Shawn Livingston. Like lose him off the dribble consistently because I know two move combination there is something wrong. A user can counter the move. AI cannot. Me shooting 70% is fun for a little while but after its most every online game it gets old.

Maybe you should try reading.


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[GradyMac]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Is this still going.

Stop whining. People are allowed to play the game they bought with their own money however they want.

Don't like it, quit or play with other people that play how YOU want them to play.

This superiority complex you have about how people play the game is hilarious.

[BezO]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

I addressed the same things you're typing bud. There's been zero counter. You pull the same dumb little rant. Being able to beat AI ON SUPERSTAR SIM every time irrelevant or player or who's guarding me is not sim. Sorry bud. If I can beat kawhi (because i know someone is playing off ball) with say ****ing Shawn Livingston. Like lose him off the dribble consistently because I know two move combination there is something wrong. A user can counter the move. AI cannot. Me shooting 70% is fun for a little while but after its most every online game it gets old.

Maybe you should try reading.


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Ha! I know you're having problems because you keep talking about success rate and using words like 'beat', when most folks that countered your issue, including me, referred to ATTACKING the user controlled OFF-BALL defender.

Read slow. Sound out the words. And dictionary.com is tour friend.

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Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Is this still going.

Stop whining. People are allowed to play the game they bought with their own money however they want.

Don't like it, quit or play with other people that play how YOU want them to play.

This superiority complex you have about how people play the game is hilarious.

People can play how they want offline. Online there must be rules to establish fairness. Your money doesnt impact that. The cpu a.i is meant to assist the player, not the other way around. Next year when off ball doesn't work as well you guys will have to go back to Madden.

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[A6_Foul_Out]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Spoiler

Naw man. I have a college education and a small business my buddyand I started that is keeping me eating well and a child. I don't need a basement dweller trying to talk too me like that lil boy.




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The Ad-Hominem has come out to play tonight.

Jeez.

Can we not?

I've personally seen people banned on this forum for much less...

[TheDuggler]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Mods, there is nothing good coming out of here.

[NateDogPack12]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Mods, there is nothing good coming out of here.

You're absolutely correct. We're on it.

[GradyMac]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

People can play how they want offline. Online there must be rules to establish fairness. Your money doesnt impact that. The cpu a.i is meant to assist the player, not the other way around. Next year when off ball doesn't work as well you guys will have to go back to Madden.

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Nah, next year, you guys will start another thread and whine because opponents don't play the way YOU want them to play.

Been with 2k since...2K (on Dreamcast), I am not going anywhere.

[nova91]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Ok, so what consequence should off-ball have? Making CPU controlled players easier to beat of the dribble isn't realistic, neither is lowering the effectiveness of their shot contest, neither is making them a step slower etc. So name one thing that would be an effective consequence while making the overall game better, because right now the lowered CPU shot contest is a trash implementation that only seems to get worse.

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Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Ok, so what consequence should off-ball have? Making CPU controlled players easier to beat of the dribble isn't realistic, neither is lowering the effectiveness of their shot contest, neither is making them a step slower etc. So name one thing that would be an effective consequence while making the overall game better, because right now the lowered CPU shot contest is a trash implementation that only seems to get worse.

As it stands now the worst defender becomes elite with a.i help. So that needs to go. If players want to play elite defense they should learn how to play it with the help of the a.i not because of the a.i. Very few players in the nba are capable of the playing the lock down defense the a.i provides in this game. Defense is an important part of the game of basketball. It separates Carmelo from Lebron. I doubt developers meant for guys to camp in paint with the center while the a.i plays defense for them.

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Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Nah, next year, you guys will start another thread and whine because opponents don't play the way YOU want them to play.

Been with 2k since...2K (on Dreamcast), I am not going anywhere.

After 16 years you still need training wheels?

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[BezO]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

As it stands now the worst defender becomes elite with a.i help. So that needs to go. If players want to play elite defense they should learn how to play it with the help of the a.i not because of the a.i. Very few players in the nba are capable of the playing the lock down defense the a.i provides in this game. Defense is an important part of the game of basketball. It separates Carmelo from Lebron. I doubt developers meant for guys to camp in paint with the center while the a.i plays defense for them.

I'm so confused by this mindset. The only way to show defensive skill is to defend iso-ing players? Is staying with a cutting player not good defense? Defending the P&R not good defense? Getting around screens not good defense?

Or is it that you all only iso and judge others by how they defend it?

All of the anti-offballers seem to ignore what's being said about running plays, P&Rs, sending teammates on cuts, getting teammates to come off screens, etc. You can aim some of these strategies directly at the off-balling opponent. They can only hide if you allow them to by looking to iso.

If you believe AI defenders are defending above their real life counterpart's skill, that's a complaint for the developers.

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I'm so confused by this mindset. The only way to show defensive skill is to defend iso-ing players? Is staying with a cutting player not good defense? Defending the P&R not good defense? Getting around screens not good defense?

Or is it that you all only iso and judge others by how they defend it?

You are confused. Ive only referenced people camping in the paint not doing anything. Maybe your confusing me with someone else you've been arguing with.

All of the anti-offballers seem to ignore what's being said about running plays, P&Rs, sending teammates on cuts, getting teammates to come off screens, etc. You can aim some of these strategies directly at the off-balling opponent. They can only hide if you allow them to by looking to iso.

If Kevin Love gets matched up on Curry I shouldn't have to send teammates on cuts to score. ISOs are a significant part of basketball even if you can't defend them. Drawing a mismatch is good offense. The proper way defend ISO SHOULD NOT BE putting the controller down. You shouldn't have to run a play to take advantage of a defensive mismatch.