Offball needs to actually have a consequence

[BezO]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

You are confused. Ive only referenced people camping in the paint not doing anything. Maybe your confusing me with someone else you've been arguing with.

Not confusing you with someone. Just confused by your opinion.

Defensive 3 seconds is in the game. Your opponent can only camp out in the lane if you let him by not involving the player he's guarding. P&R involving that player, sending that teammate on a cut away from the basket, etc. There are things you can do to directly attack any player your opponent is controlling.

If Kevin Love gets matched up on Curry I shouldn't have to send teammates on cuts to score. ISOs are a significant part of basketball even if you can't defend them. Drawing a mismatch is good offense. The proper way defend ISO SHOULD NOT BE putting the controller down. You shouldn't have to run a play to take advantage of a defensive mismatch.

You don't HAVE to do anything. But what's stopping you from using Curry to attack Love in this situation? Are you not able to drive on AI Love? Do you not like driving on the AI? How exactly is off-ball defense affecting your gaming experience?

[start it up]

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Not confusing you with someone. Just confused by your opinion.

Defensive 3 seconds is in the game. Your opponent can only camp out in the lane if you let him by not involving the player he's guarding. P&R involving that player, sending that teammate on a cut away from the basket, etc. There are things you can do to directly attack any player your opponent is controlling.

You don't HAVE to do anything. But what's stopping you from using Curry to attack Love in this situation? Are you not able to drive on AI Love? Do you not like driving on the AI? How exactly is off-ball defense affecting your gaming experience?

Do you even play this game? Why do you keep giving advice that no one is asking for? I'm very successful at this game. The irony in all of your wisdom is, the advice your giving doesn't work that well. Why would anyone frustrated with an off-baller want to take advice from an off baller. So please drop the 2k guru stance for a second and answer me this. Is it fair in competitive head-to-head contests for the a.i to be the deciding factor?

[BezO]

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Do you even play this game? Why do you keep giving advice that no one is asking for? I'm very successful at this game. The irony in all of your wisdom is, the advice your giving doesn't work that well. Why would anyone frustrated with an off-baller want to take advice from an off baller. So please drop the 2k guru stance for a second and answer me this. Is it fair in competitive head-to-head contests for the a.i to be the deciding factor?

Yes, I do play the game.

I'm not giving advice. I'm pointing out why your opponents might be able to hide playing off-ball defense.

I'm not concerned with how good you are. I'm only concerned with your opinion that everyone should play like you while you refuse to adjust and eliminate to a great degree the ability for off-ballers to hide.

I'm not an off-baller. I play on-ball defense exclusively. It is you who might be mistaking me for another poster. I'm actually speaking as someone who plays against an off-baller fairly frequently.

There are 4 AI controlled players on the court at all times. You only seem to be concerned with the AI controlled player guarding your user controlled ball handler. So I'm not really sure how to answer that question other than to suggest playing 5 users vs 5 users. Otherwise, the AI is always a deciding factor.

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Yes, I do play the game.

I'm not giving advice. I'm pointing out why your opponents might be able to hide playing off-ball defense.

I'm not concerned with how good you are. I'm only concerned with your opinion that everyone should play like you while you refuse to adjust and eliminate to a great degree the ability for off-ballers to hide.

I'm not an off-baller. I play on-ball defense exclusively. It is you who might be mistaking me for another poster. I'm actually speaking as someone who plays against an off-baller fairly frequently.

There are 4 AI controlled players on the court at all times. You only seem to be concerned with the AI controlled player guarding your user controlled ball handler. So I'm not really sure how to answer that question other than to suggest playing 5 users vs 5 users. Otherwise, the AI is always a deciding factor.

Nice dodge

[GradyMac]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

After 16 years you still need training wheels?

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Lol, you don't know me. In fact, I only play ProAm; I just get tired of the same thread every year with people trying to tell others how the play the game.

Most of them are ISO players that can't beat the AI off the dribble, so they come on here and whine. Every year, same story.

Don't whine to me because you can't beat the AI defense. Just get better, son.

[BezO]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Nice dodge

I'm sure it sounds like dodging when you're only concerned with iso-ing user controlled defenders.

I get it. You play one way and you want all your opponents to adhere to rules that make the game fun for you. I think everyone should enjoy the game, so good luck finding like-minded gamers.

[start it up]

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This has been fun. I see why these threads get shutdown. Apparently if you dislike off-ball, you need to get better at the game because off-balling is intended to be in the game and gives the user no advantage at all. You need to run more plays, because all you want to do is ISO and get to the basket. I guess teams don't ISO a lot in the NBA. You need to run a bunch of pick & rolls or cuts, because YOUR the one forcing someone to play a certain way. There is also an imaginary search feature to find players that play a certain way.
The people who defend off-ball the most don't off ball themselves. In fact they play EXCLUSIVE on-ball and Pro-AM,(You know credible on-ball stuff) they only comment because there sick of people complaining. Because we all know that the best way to stop people from complaining, is to complain about them. Lastly you can't judge their play style by their comments but they can judge yours. With all that said, im logging out of this crap show. You guys have a safe and fun weekend.

[BezO]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

This has been fun. I see why these threads get shutdown. Apparently if you dislike off-ball, you need to get better at the game because off-balling is intended to be in the game and gives the user no advantage at all. You need to run more plays, because all you want to do is ISO and get to the basket. I guess teams don't ISO a lot in the NBA. You need to run a bunch of pick & rolls or cuts, because YOUR the one forcing someone to play a certain way. There is also an imaginary search feature to find players that play a certain way.
The people who defend off-ball the most don't off ball themselves. In fact they play EXCLUSIVE on-ball and Pro-AM,(You know credible on-ball stuff) they only comment because there sick of people complaining. Because we all know that the best way to stop people from complaining, is to complain about them. Lastly you can't judge their play style by their comments but they can judge yours. With all that said, im logging out of this crap show. You guys have a safe and fun weekend.

2 whole paragraphs just to say you're leaving? Ha! Bye homie! I would say it's been fun, but your passive aggressive post style was one of the worst parts of this thread.

I'll address your final shots though, at least those I believe are directed at me...

There are advantages & disadvantages to most aspects of the game. Playing off-ball relieves you of defending iso plays, but you still have to defend off-ball action, that is if your opponent forces you to.

Of course iso plays are part of the NBA. So is adjusting to getting beat by them. If a gamer's best on-ball defender is the CPU, so be it. It's no one's job to fit into your box. It's your job to make the game fun, or quit, or come to OS to complain...

If you want someone to play a certain way so badly, yes, you have to force them when you can.

Imaginary Search Feature. Or you can play your like minded real life friends.

I'm not defending off-ball. I'm refuting your claims against it. And I don't believe on-ball defense is more credible than off-ball. I just find it more fun. I play all sports game that way... switch to the closest defender to the action.

I am not sick of people complaining. If I was, I would simply avoid complaining threads. Hell, I complain quite a bit on here.

You can criticize my style all you want. It wouldn't bother me because I play the game in a way that's fun for me. And I play people I have fun playing.

Funny how I'm sure you think you're not the one making this thread crap by not responding directly and maturely. But enjoy your weekend as well.

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So much for leaving.......
Dude when I came in this thread you were arguing with someone about your ability to read and comprehend (which i'm starting to understand). I saved this thread. As a result you get more attention. At this point you seen my opinion and I've seen your many conflicting ones. Neither of us can control how people play or how 2k programs its game. I'm pretty sure though 2k will lower the effect of it next year so its not something i'm stressing over.

[poopoop]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Constant Offball defense is trash. I understand using a mix of off/on ball depending on the situation.

If someone can just iso you to death, because you play onball defense, then your defense is poor.

I don't understand how the solution is to hide on a computer player. A lot of these offball players are just poor defenders, which is why you can pass to their man and still score easily.

People can play the game how they want, offball defense shouldn't be banned, but to me that is pure garbage to sit around playing offball defense all game. If I want to try and score on the computer, why not just play MYGM?

[GradyMac]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Constant Offball defense is trash. I understand using a mix of off/on ball depending on the situation.

If someone can just iso you to death, because you play onball defense, then your defense is poor.

I don't understand how the solution is to hide on a computer player. A lot of these offball players are just poor defenders, which is why you can pass to their man and still score easily.

People can play the game how they want, offball defense shouldn't be banned, but to me that is pure garbage to sit around playing offball defense all game. If I want to try and score on the computer, why not just play MYGM?

Here we go again...smh.

It is "trash" and "garbage" probably because you have a hard time beating the AI in ISO. So you get mad when someone off-ball defends you.

Tough, people play how they want.

[kabamaru]

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I play offball-d mostly but switch to on-ball when my opponent will post me up or I know he will take the offense with his iso player (starts size-up moves etc)

I used to play-off ball because I didn't know how toplay on-ball. After I learned I am a good on-ball defender (and that is why I switch to on-ball sometimes)

The off-ball is also penalized because every time you do a pump-fake against AI leads to a foul. Also badges don't work by A.I controlled player

CPU plus HORRIBLE defense rotations. For example in an iso and Pick& roll between a PG and a C, your PF will NEVER close in the paint. NEVER. Instead your SG/SF from the weak side will go to provide help. This leads to an automated basket from center (don't deny, everyone abused P&R in this game) or an easy wide - open 3 in the weak side.

There are 5 defenders in the game and 4 of them are controlled by CPU.
Most of the on-ball defenders I have faced are on-balling BUT they deny all other players, which is also cheesy for me.

In any case cheese should be an expression for someone that abuses game mechanics. Baseline dunks/zig-zag 3s and constant double team in 2k15, inbound turbo cheese, quick pausing all the time and painting your court black or white in 2k16 are abusing game mechanics and therefore.

However I have heard numerous of accusations about "cheesing in this game"

Last year there was a whole thread claiming that putting Sapphire PG 13 as PF is cheese.
Also that you could use a Pistons T-mac as a PG, but it would be cheesy to use the Magic T-Mac as a PG. because henever played PG in Magic. We are talking about the same player.

All in all, I do not care about how someone decides to play. I am very frustrated when someone is abusing game mechanics but guess what. I am a 35 yo guy that most of the time will be faced again 15 yo etc, in a COMPETITVE mode. So there are two options
a) I join a league with friends and I play "how I want"
b) I take it for a fact that someone will do anything to beat me and I try to remain calm

Also for any game mechanic abusing I blame 2k and not the exploiter so much. There have been 5-6 patches and 5-6 slider adjustments, but they never fixed transition d

[Nwordbelike]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Here we go again...smh.

It is "trash" and "garbage" probably because you have a hard time beating the AI in ISO. So you get mad when someone off-ball defends you.

Tough, people play how they want.

yall keep throwing this iso abuse argument like ruining plays is impossible with offball D. Please stop it

[Hustle Westbrook]

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Btw I still haven't met an off-ball player that wasn't a complete cheeser. There just seems to be an awfully high correlation between off-ball defense and scrub play. Just saying.

[Crossover1]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Btw I still haven't met an off-ball player that wasn't a complete cheeser. There just seems to be an awfully high correlation between off-ball defense and scrub play. Just saying.

You haven't played me.