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  • ch46647
    MVP
    • Aug 2006
    • 3515

    #76
    Re: so frustrated with this game

    This game is so close to absolute greatness. IMO, they need to address three primary gameplay related issues for 17' to make this a year round game for me.

    1. Movement/Explosion- They really need an overhaul to movement and dribble drives in this game. Players just do not have first step explosion or explosion out of dribble moves. Also, the defense is extremely sticky and you constantly get stuck in these suction animations. It really takes away from the free flowing game of basketball. In all honesty, not many players (particularly stars) can be guarded 1 V 1. Teams rely on help defense and strategy to make things as difficult as possible for the offense. (Obviously they need to find a solid balance, but using all the suction, warping, and offensive players "stuck in mud" animations is not the way to do it.

    2. Defensive Awareness- Players leaving shooters wide open and running to the lane. This is beyond frustrating and the only way to keep players from doing this is "deny/tight". However, with these setting they just hug the offensive players and give up back door cuts and no help whatsoever. (You can definitely add transition defense to this as well- it could definitely use an overhaul)

    3. AI rubberbanding/momentum- This has been discussed plenty, and I am not neccessarily a believer in "comeback code", but there is definitely something funky about the momentum system they created two years ago. All I want is an entirely organic experience without any programming factors dictating how games play out.

    If these three things are overhauled in 2K17, the game will never leave my XBOX.
    Last edited by ch46647; 04-03-2016, 10:40 AM.

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    • apollooff320
      Banned
      • Oct 2007
      • 1456

      #77
      Re: so frustrated with this game

      Originally posted by ViolenceFight
      1. There is no comeback code. If there was it'd happen in every game. You'd be lying if you said it happens every game.

      2. Go back to 14 is fine, all A+ shots falling is stupid. There is no such thing as a perfect shot. I know it's frustrating but sometimes you just miss.

      Addendum to 1. There is a momentum system. And yes, if it swings hard the other way it seems cheap. Call time outs, change personnel and change your game plan to stop it
      I wouldn't say there is no come back code because in past 2Ks we had a clutch slider and the clutch option. When these were off if you played a scrub user there was no close games or him getting lucky and beating you. If you were that good at the game you'll wipe the floor with him all the time. Now these options are hidden in the game and you can't turn them off. I want to see these options back in the game.

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      • SpeedyClaxton
        Pro
        • Dec 2015
        • 655

        #78
        Re: so frustrated with this game

        Comeback code may or may not be completely in the game but something weird is going on definitely. Many people get off wins just by pure luck being mixed with that same 'comeback'. If someone doesn't know to play or play much worse than me, let me blow them by 30+ pts margin. I am sick of making huge margin in 1st & 2nd quarter so that i can get 'caught' by some miraculous shots and ref decisions in 3rd which results in 'tight' 4th quarter..happened to me 9times out of 10.

        PS: I do call timeouts, switch players, mix up rotations, small or big lineups but comeback code or whatever it is have much stronger effect on game. When someone asks me 'do you call timeouts', ofcourse i do, rarely play players below 85-80 energy lvl but nothing really helps against 'comeback code' or whatever it is..
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLCf-URqIf0
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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkHI1hGvWRY

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        • Roger_Black
          Rookie
          • May 2015
          • 157

          #79
          Re: so frustrated with this game

          MyCareer. All-Star mode.

          Why does the CPU opponent do MOST things correctly.... yet my CPU teammates cannot do these same things correctly???? (like box-out, rebound, defend & make shots)

          Also the CPU opponents consistently make tough shots & easy layups in the 3rd quarter.... yet my CPU teammates MISS wide-open layups & short jumpers consistently every 3rd quarter.

          The CPU 'comeback cheese' is annoying.
          And it needs to stop. Once & forever.

          Every game I play that is as close as 10 points or less by halftime.... results in the CPU offense going on a massive run during the 3rd quarter, while the defense of my CPU teammates gets worse & worse... until it is a 20+ point deficit.

          Then I ALWAYS have to play 'hero ball' from late in the 3rd quarter just to get back within 'striking distance'.... by late in the 4th quarter. (and hope to God that the CPU coach doesn't bench me while we are making a comeback)

          Enough is enough.

          2K, how about you ensure that my teammates can actually 'finish plays' at (or near) the rim in the 3rd quarter..... so that I'm NOT THE ONLY PERSON on my team whose stats are good enough to get selected to the NBA All-Star team every year.

          It's extremely frustrating because.... I can watch REAL NBA TEAMS like OKC, or the 2000 Lakers, or the 1980's Celtics, or the 1990's Bulls, or the 1990's Jazz, or the 2000 Spurs and see both Kobe & Shaq, or Magic, Kareem & Worthy, or Duncan Ginobli & Parker, or Durant & Westbrook, or Bird, Parish & Mchale, or Stockton & Malone... ALL make it to the All-Star team in the very same year....

          Meanwhile, no matter HOW MANY assists I try to dish out..... my teammates (in MyCareer mode) NEVER make it to the All-Star game with me..... because they cannot 'finish' consistently in the 3rd quarter.... so their overall stats suck and will never get voted into the All-Star game ahead of the 'default Superstars' that get selected every year.

          C'mon 2K.

          Fix the 'teammate AI' in MyCareer mode. Once & for all.

          It's annoying watching the MAJORITY of my teammates consistently miss very easy shots.... which eventually forces me to 'go nuts' and just play 'hero ball' in order to win games, or stay competitive.

          You know the game 'has issues' when (every game) you can PREDICT exactly when your CPU teammates are going to start playing like a bunch of scrubs for an extended period of time.
          Last edited by Roger_Black; 04-03-2016, 05:25 PM.

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          • Yanks1408
            Rookie
            • Mar 2010
            • 94

            #80
            Re: so frustrated with this game

            Yeah the game is rigged big time by the cpu. It will hover within 10 points and then catch up until you are down by 5 late. It will pull out of its orbit if you get up by about 15 points and they will stop making hard shots routinely and you will be able to make layups again. The team worked so hard on the game, I have absolutely no idea why they feel the need to ruin it with cheat logic. It completely cheapens what is otherwise a great game.

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            • Smirkin Dirk
              All Star
              • Oct 2008
              • 5180

              #81
              Re: so frustrated with this game

              Played my playoff game last night. Up 16 after 1st Q, up 22 at the half, up 35 at 3/4, sat my starters won by 29.

              As I said. 160 games, and I have never felt any comeback code.
              2022 'Plug and play' sim roster (XBX)

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              • ggsimmonds
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jan 2009
                • 11235

                #82
                Re: so frustrated with this game

                Originally posted by Hot Kidd
                Played my playoff game last night. Up 16 after 1st Q, up 22 at the half, up 35 at 3/4, sat my starters won by 29.

                As I said. 160 games, and I have never felt any comeback code.
                Yep, played the Cavs in game 6 of the playoffs and beat them by 25 after taking over the game in the 3rd and cruising through the 4th.

                Now I do think there are some AI shenanigans in myplayer whenever you get subbed out and return to see that the AI now has momentum, but I don't think there is anything in myGM/myleague

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                • Sleepy59
                  Rookie
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 384

                  #83
                  Re: so frustrated with this game

                  Originally posted by Hot Kidd
                  Played my playoff game last night. Up 16 after 1st Q, up 22 at the half, up 35 at 3/4, sat my starters won by 29.

                  As I said. 160 games, and I have never felt any comeback code.
                  Play a quick match online, try to go up 35 and post it.

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                  • Roger_Black
                    Rookie
                    • May 2015
                    • 157

                    #84
                    Re: so frustrated with this game

                    Originally posted by Hot Kidd
                    Played my playoff game last night. Up 16 after 1st Q, up 22 at the half, up 35 at 3/4, sat my starters won by 29.

                    As I said. 160 games, and I have never felt any comeback code.
                    Obviously, if you can 'sit players'... you are not playing MyCareer mode.
                    Holla back when you do. Play 10 games. Then talk to us about it.

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                    • Smirkin Dirk
                      All Star
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 5180

                      #85
                      Re: so frustrated with this game

                      SO are you guys saying this comeback code is confined to only MC and online versus?
                      2022 'Plug and play' sim roster (XBX)

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                      • SpeedyClaxton
                        Pro
                        • Dec 2015
                        • 655

                        #86
                        Re: so frustrated with this game

                        Losing team gets that comeback boost no matter is it CPU or user controlled. That comeback 'boost' doesn't neccesarily means losing team shoots better, it replicates in more fouls, unbeliveable treys over good defense, technical fouls, clear path fouls, and ones..
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLCf-URqIf0
                        A$APmob Worldwide

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkHI1hGvWRY

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v6JUzxWoGw

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                        • psydefx
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2015
                          • 370

                          #87
                          Re: so frustrated with this game

                          if you're frustrated with a higher difficulty setting, but win easily with a lower one; try using the lower diff setting but jacking offensive consistency and off awareness to 99 or 100 for the cpu.

                          it's not perfect but it's sort of a middle ground

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                          • Sleepy59
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2014
                            • 384

                            #88
                            Re: so frustrated with this game

                            Originally posted by Hot Kidd
                            SO are you guys saying this comeback code is confined to only MC and online versus?
                            Not the comeback code but the momentum / clutch slider heavily going towards the opposing team on certain circumstances. It is present in most game-modes, but not as intense on some. I did not have much trouble with momentum until I started playing quick match online.

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                            • The 24th Letter
                              ERA
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 39373

                              #89
                              Re: so frustrated with this game

                              Originally posted by Hot Kidd
                              SO are you guys saying this comeback code is confined to only MC and online versus?
                              I don't play MC, but I cant vouch for any comeback code H2H

                              If you check the PNO thread you'll see that blowouts definitely happen...we all post our box scores/vids

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                              • Chairman7w
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2006
                                • 1490

                                #90
                                Re: so frustrated with this game

                                I don't understand stuff like this. I DESTROYED the CPU by 20+ last night. So is my anecdotal evidence less accurate than yours?

                                Originally posted by Yanks1408
                                Yeah the game is rigged big time by the cpu. It will hover within 10 points and then catch up until you are down by 5 late. It will pull out of its orbit if you get up by about 15 points and they will stop making hard shots routinely and you will be able to make layups again. The team worked so hard on the game, I have absolutely no idea why they feel the need to ruin it with cheat logic. It completely cheapens what is otherwise a great game.

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