Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

[dnyce87]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

The defense presents exhibit A...Thon Maker 7ft Big man/wingplayer...the future of what big men are going to be capable of.

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Exhibit B...Blake Griffin, the Current Best PF in the league and best ball handling big man The NBA has. The #1 Reason i believe NBA 2K should NEVER put caps on big men, because he totally defies what a man his size "should be able to do".

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Exhibit C) Demarcus Cousins...his nickname is BOOGIE for a reason...Best Center in the NBA.

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Notice how this a Pro Am game yet he still has the ability to bring up the ball and create for himself and others, including pushing the break going coast to coast?

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Exhibit D) Pau Gasol...This man at one point and time was regarded as the most skilled big man in the NBA. He can run the floor, bring the ball up the court and has the vision to be a great passer when given the opportunity.

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Exhibit E) The Great Bill Russell...Even Mr 11 Rings Himself, listed at 6'9/6'10
had the ability to run up the court and be a playmaker.

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Exhibit F) Here's just a mix of other big men in the NBA who have greta ball handling ability and playmaking as well.

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My point is this, i believe players these days might have certain play styles, but the lines between certain positions is blurring, and the more the game of basketball evolves, the more we're going to see big men who have more point guard skills embedded in their DNA. You say you're tired of seeing
Big's pulling guard-like size ups...guess what? give it a year or two and this one guy will make you eat your words..

Exhibit P) The defense will rest it's case with none other than Kristaps Porzingis. 7'3 pf/C for the NY Knicks . #2 reason why 2K shouldn't limit caps on "big men" in ball handling or layup packages.

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Please stop this thread with all these cries of changing attribute points as well because the way it is now seems much easier to handle. You guys really go hard for silly things like how attributes are spread out. let the devs worry about that. They ARE THE EXPERTS, am i right?

Show me a player that HANDLES the ball like kyrie irving, steph curry, and jamal crawford who is 7'0+ and weighs 250 or more? NO ONE! There is a difference between a big man dribbling the ball up the court on a fast break versus attempting to do these flashy dribble moves at the same speed as a small guard to break their ankles.

All of those players you just mentioned are definitely capable of dribbling the ball so there's no argument there. As a matter of fact, I have created playstyles using some of those players as a real life example for the C position with balance in mind. You're basically stating and making a future assumption that big men in real life are going to pull off these park and nba animation size ups from 2k at the speed rate of a guard? You're buggin' man.

No words will be eaten because you're not hearing how ridiculous you sound and the fact that you're FOR grouping attributes and saying there shouldn't be CAPS on big men handling the ball? So by that logic, it's ok to see 7'3 C with 99 ball handling? Heck even a 7 footer with 99 ball handling? What player in real life that big has shown that they are CONSISTENTLY handling the ball with the weight of shaq, bynum, Yao Ming and blowing by the defense and breaking ankles? You're trollin' man lol and that kills the whole experience of diversifying myplayers.

It would most definitely be a more refreshing experience to see MANY types of players and changing their style of play because of the individualized attributes. This cannot happen with blocked categories as everyone across every position is playing the SAME way because of it.

FYI Thon Maker is a prospect and playing in highschool so we don't know what his playstyle is ultimately going to be. Look at Anthony Davis and Karl Anthony Towns. They were both just as dominant late in their high school careers as a DO IT ALL player and look how they play in the NBA right now. So nothing can be predicted.

Thon Maker just has this hype because he is 7 feet tall and it's just unheard of to see someone that size with the mobility and agility of a wing player. Yes, he's got skills, but how effective and consistent is he going to be if he doesn't find something he is GREAT and unstoppable at? He has yet to find his niche and will have plenty of time to find it.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

I think 2k should look into play styles similar to NBA live then you get caps from there . Everybody does play the same .

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

Maaan you can't take these examples from Griffin, Cousins or Gasol. They can dribble the ball better than 80 % of their PF/C competition but it's foolish to say their ballhandling skills are on par with wingplayers or point guards lol. They do have some nice dribbling over the course of season but what you see on MyPark or MC is consistently good dribbling like some point guards out there.

About Thon Maker i don't believe anything until i see him 4-5 yrs into NBA. I had so much of these hyped young players dubbed as next Olajuwons, Barkleys, Iversons and soo on. Freshest example is Jimmer Freddette who torched around NCAA courts to be waived by Knicks this season so don't believe everything you see or read.

[BoxyCougar]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

I supoort this petition!


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[nova91]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

There is a huge need to separate the attributes. There is no reason I should have to waste upgrades on PHook, PFade, or PControl just so my 6'1" 175 lb PG can hit a driving layup, it's stupid. There is no good reason for this attribute system, outside of a small group of people, no one wanted this.

[Breakstarter]

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Maaan you can't take these examples from Griffin, Cousins or Gasol. They can dribble the ball better than 80 % of their PF/C competition but it's foolish to say their ballhandling skill are on par with wingplayers or point guards lol. They do have some nice dribbling over the course of season but what you see on MyPark or MC is consistently good dribbling like some point guards out there.

About Thon Maker i don't believe anything until i see him 4-5 yrs into NBA. I had so much of these hyped young players dubbed as next Olajuwons, Barkleys, Iversons and soo on. Freshest example is Jimmer Freddette who torched around NCAA courts to be waived by Knicks this season so don't believe everything you see or read.

The reason they dribble better than most of their counterparts is because they work on their handles from day one and are surrounded by elite ball handlers all their lives so it's only natural that they pick up on some of these guys moves. Telle you don' t see Kobe's influence on Pau, or Chris Paul and Jamal Crawford's influence on Blake? If I was a big seeing the best pgs/SG in the world practice everyday I know for sure I'd ask for a few pointers and that certainly wouldn't TAKE AWAY from my other offensive skills that I would have already possessed. The notion that bigs are huge lumbering idiots who are there to just rebound and block shots is so archaic that it needs to be changed asap because its truly not sim.

Imagine if you will...based on how big men are capped in my career, at best everyones build would be at best an inside player would be Deandre Jordan, an outside Big would be
The Current Version of Dirk Nowitzki (Slow AF but still has a decent jumper, but not elite enough to keep him on the floor). The PF and Center need more attention in my career.
They got dealt a bad deck of cards this year especially when it comes to lateral movement. Just terrible.

[Breakstarter]

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Show me a player that HANDLES the ball like kyrie irving, steph curry, and jamal crawford who is 7'0+ and weighs 250 or more? NO ONE! There is a difference between a big man dribbling the ball up the court on a fast break versus attempting to do these flashy dribble moves at the same speed as a small guard to break their ankles.

All of those players you just mentioned are definitely capable of dribbling the ball so there's no argument there. As a matter of fact, I have created playstyles using some of those players as a real life example for the C position with balance in mind. You're basically stating and making a future assumption that big men in real life are going to pull off these park and nba animation size ups from 2k at the speed rate of a guard? You're buggin' man.

No words will be eaten because you're not hearing how ridiculous you sound and the fact that you're FOR grouping attributes and saying there shouldn't be CAPS on big men handling the ball? So by that logic, it's ok to see 7'3 C with 99 ball handling? Heck even a 7 footer with 99 ball handling? What player in real life that big has shown that they are CONSISTENTLY handling the ball with the weight of shaq, bynum, Yao Ming and blowing by the defense and breaking ankles? You're trollin' man lol and that kills the whole experience of diversifying myplayers.

It would most definitely be a more refreshing experience to see MANY types of players and changing their style of play because of the individualized attributes. This cannot happen with blocked categories as everyone across every position is playing the SAME way because of it.

FYI Thon Maker is a prospect and playing in highschool so we don't know what his playstyle is ultimately going to be. Look at Anthony Davis and Karl Anthony Towns. They were both just as dominant late in their high school careers as a DO IT ALL player and look how they play in the NBA right now. So nothing can be predicted.

Thon Maker just has this hype because he is 7 feet tall and it's just unheard of to see someone that size with the mobility and agility of a wing player. Yes, he's got skills, but how effective and consistent is he going to be if he doesn't find something he is GREAT and unstoppable at? He has yet to find his niche and will have plenty of time to find it.

Let me clarify my point. When my players first came out in 2k10 I started off as a guard, and I thoroughly enjoyed reaking havoc on the competition. As i became involved with my players I started getting to crew mode and everything that mode had to offer. As you know when you play with four other guys, you need to be strong at every position in order to be successful. Be it as it may, the one position I saw we could never shore was the big man. So I decided what the heck, I'll bite the bullet and go ahead make a center. Low and behold I actually took a liking to being center and I saw myself easily taking advantage of the controls for big men because they also were able to pull off the same moves as guards could as well signature layups.

Only up until this year in 2k16 was I disappointed to find out that big men were castrated and had all layup packages removed from them as well a HARD cap on their (outside)
3 point shooting (75) and their playmaking (low 60's). Also their overall speed was lowered as well as their acceleration maxed out in the low 50s. To me this is beyond unacceptable. When making a big man 6'9 and taller, compared to the speed of Blake Griffin, Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis, our myplayer big men pale in comparison and that just doesnt seem right to me. Big men in this league are more athletic and diverse than what 2k currently has them vspped in my career. I'm not saying everyone should be Chris Paul with the ball, but don't make it so that Bigs are slow as hell and can't get creative with the ball. I think an 85 playmaking on an outside big is perfect. Also an 85 rating on 3 point shots for an outside big is perfect as well. Speed on a big should cap out at an 80. Acceleration at a 75. I'm kinda cool where the have everything else at and bring back layup packages for bits so we can do everything that guards can..just doesn't make sense that guards think they should be exclusive to guard layups as if bigs can't do reverses or floaters or hopsteps in the paint.

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

The reason they dribble better than most of their counterparts is because they work on their handles from day one and are surrounded by elite ball handlers all their lives so it's only natural that they pick up on some of these guys moves. Telle you don' t see Kobe's influence on Pau, or Chris Paul and Jamal Crawford's influence on Blake? If I was a big seeing the best pgs/SG in the world practice everyday I know for sure I'd ask for a few pointers and that certainly wouldn't TAKE AWAY from my other offensive skills that I would have already possessed. The notion that bigs are huge lumbering idiots who are there to just rebound and block shots is so archaic that it needs to be changed asap because its truly not sim.

Imagine if you will...based on how big men are capped in my career, at best everyones build would be at best an inside player would be Deandre Jordan, an outside Big would be
The Current Version of Dirk Nowitzki (Slow AF but still has a decent jumper, but not elite enough to keep him on the floor). The PF and Center need more attention in my career.
They got dealt a bad deck of cards this year especially when it comes to lateral movement. Just terrible.

Dude, i don't care if your big can or can't dribble the ball through his legs or keep ball secured while opponent guards harrassing him. I say only one thing, why are these bigs who obviously must have higher inside shot ratings than outside players, why they automatically have post hook ratings of Jabbar or Olajuwon ? These tied tiers of attributes just make bunch of players good for no reason. If certain player can shoot FTs at high percentage it doesn't and shouldn't mean he's Ray Allen from deep.

Ok I get the point, you want your big to have lateral quickness of Griffin, rebound like D. Jordan and shoot like Nowitzki. I would allow players like you to make such player but i would put up such huge VC amounts for each rating upgrade that you would think twice which attribute you want to upgrade. One more thing, i am sick 7 feet players who do hesitation dribbles that are designed for guards obviously. Seeing 7 foot dude that performs crawford hesitation moves and steps back for a swish trey is just bull****.

[SpeedyClaxton]

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I think an 85 playmaking on an outside big is perfect. Also an 85 rating on 3 point shots for an outside big is perfect as well.

OK, that sounds something like Draymond Green and i would allow these ratings but athleticism should be in 60's for those guys. Seeing bigs who pass like Draymond Green, shoot treys like prime Nowitzki, run the court like Anthony Davis and dunk on opposition like Griffin, all that in one player just makes me throw out TV, console and chew 2K disc.

[dnyce87]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

Only up until this year in 2k16 was I disappointed to find out that big men were castrated and had all layup packages removed from them as well a HARD cap on their (outside)
3 point shooting (75) and their playmaking (low 60's). Also their overall speed was lowered as well as their acceleration maxed out in the low 50s. To me this is beyond unacceptable. When making a big man 6'9 and taller, compared to the speed of Blake Griffin, Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis, our myplayer big men pale in comparison and that just doesnt seem right to me. Big men in this league are more athletic and diverse than what 2k currently has them vspped in my career. I'm not saying everyone should be Chris Paul with the ball, but don't make it so that Bigs are slow as hell and can't get creative with the ball. I think an 85 playmaking on an outside big is perfect. Also an 85 rating on 3 point shots for an outside big is perfect as well. Speed on a big should cap out at an 80. Acceleration at a 75. I'm kinda cool where the have everything else at and bring back layup packages for bits so we can do everything that guards can..just doesn't make sense that guards think they should be exclusive to guard layups as if bigs can't do reverses or floaters or hopsteps in the paint.

I understand what you're saying, but this is the reason why attributes have to be separated and why playstyles must make a return. Numbers are always going to be subjective, but I will say that they should be higher in those categories you've mentioned. Make it exclusive to certain playstyles so that not EVERY C has speed capped at 80 or EVERY C have a 3 point rating at 85 because if you don't then we run into the same problem that we have with all players playing the same and not to mention no balance.

Sure big men can do floaters, hop steps, up and under reverse, and eurosteps absolutely, but are they capable of pulling them off at the fluidity and the rate of jamal crawford hop step moves? James Harden eurosteps? Tony parkers floaters? Westbrooks athletic 1 legged high flying lay ups? No they aren't and maybe 2k should get more animations in there to expand on the versatility of the big men so that they aren't as fast and flashy like a shifty PG or an agile acrobatic wing player.

Obviously NBA is evolving very fast since warriors winning the championship making bigs spread the floor and able to shoot the 3. I'm cool with that and can say that mchale, olajuwan, or kareem aint walking thru that door the way the game is played these days. So I don't believe bigs should be exclusive in the post because I myself have done more than my share of work to exemplify all types of C's we should see in NBA 2K next year with balance in mind in my thread.

[Breakstarter]

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I understand what you're saying, but this is the reason why attributes have to be separated and why playstyles must make a return. Numbers are always going to be subjective, but I will say that they should be higher in those categories you've mentioned. Make it exclusive to certain playstyles so that not EVERY C has speed capped at 80 or EVERY C have a 3 point rating at 85 because if you don't then we run into the same problem that we have with all players playing the same and not to mention no balance.

Sure big men can do floaters, hop steps, up and under reverse, and eurosteps absolutely, but are they capable of pulling them off at the fluidity and the rate of jamal crawford hop step moves? James Harden eurosteps? Tony parkers floaters? Westbrooks athletic 1 legged high flying lay ups? No they aren't and maybe 2k should get more animations in there to expand on the versatility of the big men so that they aren't as fast and flashy like a shifty PG or an agile acrobatic wing player.

Obviously NBA is evolving very fast since warriors winning the championship making bigs spread the floor and able to shoot the 3. I'm cool with that and can say that mchale, olajuwan, or kareem aint walking thru that door the way the game is played these days. So I don't believe bigs should be exclusive in the post because I myself have done more than my share of work to exemplify all types of C's we should see in NBA 2K next year with balance in mind in my thread.

I don't want balance my guy...I want to break new ground...where you would get frustrated at seeing a big do all those things, I would say finally were stepping into anew era. All those old school ways of thinking need to be shred apart and 2k needs to break new ground. This whole idea of what a "Big is supposed to be capable of" is as ridiculous a debate as seeing what Jason Kidd/magic Johnson/Russell Westbrook were/are able to do and say that guards shouldn't be allowed to grab rebounds like Dennis rodman or chase down block like lebron or dunk in the paint like Dominique. Which in fact a lot guards can currently do when you make a my player tall enough to do so. Limitations means we can't be creative. Isn't that what you want?

[GradyMac]

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I don't want balance my guy...I want to break new ground...where you would get frustrated at seeing a big do all those things, I would say finally were stepping into anew era. All those old school ways of thinking need to be shred apart and 2k needs to break new ground. This whole idea of what a "Big is supposed to be capable of" is as ridiculous a debate as seeing what Jason Kidd/magic Johnson/Russell Westbrook were/are able to do and say that guards shouldn't be allowed to grab rebounds like Dennis rodman or chase down block like lebron or dunk in the paint like Dominique. Which in fact a lot guards can currently do when you make a my player tall enough to do so. Limitations means we can't be creative. Isn't that what you want?

Nope. I want balance.

Now offline...sure, break new ground and all that stuff. But online we need balance.

[dnyce87]

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I don't want balance my guy...I want to break new ground...where you would get frustrated at seeing a big do all those things, I would say finally were stepping into anew era. All those old school ways of thinking need to be shred apart and 2k needs to break new ground. This whole idea of what a "Big is supposed to be capable of" is as ridiculous a debate as seeing what Jason Kidd/magic Johnson/Russell Westbrook were/are able to do and say that guards shouldn't be allowed to grab rebounds like Dennis rodman or chase down block like lebron or dunk in the paint like Dominique. Which in fact a lot guards can currently do when you make a my player tall enough to do so. Limitations means we can't be creative. Isn't that what you want?

Your idea of "breaking ground" was already in 2k15 and look how much of a disaster that was with the 7'0 SF able to do any and everything at an excellent skill rate. I'm sorry man, but to me it sounds like you wanna be able to dominate at every basketball skill without penalty or error and that sir is not realistic....not even close.

2k was always a SIM 1st game and there's a reason why they CAPPED myplayers this year. Idk how many more times I can say this to you, but having playstyles will immediately alleviate this problem and will bring out the best in all users to get better at the game with skill and IQ vs cheese and exploits.

I ask you to review the "community myplayer playstyles" thread so you can see examples of playstyles that can definitely make it into next year's game and as I always say numbers are subjective and so are badges.

[abuC]

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Dude, i don't care if your big can or can't dribble the ball through his legs or keep ball secured while opponent guards harrassing him. I say only one thing, why are these bigs who obviously must have higher inside shot ratings than outside players, why they automatically have post hook ratings of Jabbar or Olajuwon ? These tied tiers of attributes just make bunch of players good for no reason. If certain player can shoot FTs at high percentage it doesn't and shouldn't mean he's Ray Allen from deep.

Ok I get the point, you want your big to have lateral quickness of Griffin, rebound like D. Jordan and shoot like Nowitzki. I would allow players like you to make such player but i would put up such huge VC amounts for each rating upgrade that you would think twice which attribute you want to upgrade. One more thing, i am sick 7 feet players who do hesitation dribbles that are designed for guards obviously. Seeing 7 foot dude that performs crawford hesitation moves and steps back for a swish trey is just bull****.

The 7'3 350 pound centers having access to the Hesitation 3 jumpback cheese is just hilarious.

[Aliean]

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Your idea of "breaking ground" was already in 2k15 and look how much of a disaster that was with the 7'0 SF able to do any and everything at an excellent skill rate. I'm sorry man, but to me it sounds like you wanna be able to dominate at every basketball skill without penalty or error and that sir is not realistic....not even close.

2k was always a SIM 1st game and there's a reason why they CAPPED myplayers this year. Idk how many more times I can say this to you, but having playstyles will immediately alleviate this problem and will bring out the best in all users to get better at the game with skill and IQ vs cheese and exploits.

I ask you to review the "community myplayer playstyles" thread so you can see examples of playstyles that can definitely make it into next year's game and as I always say numbers are subjective and so are badges.

the reason they cap it is just cos of the dumb online feature.you dont ever mix online and single player ever it will never be balanced and just ruins the game for people who doesn't even play online.there are reasons why multiplayer games is only that mixing them both is something that wont ever work