Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

Just disable that 99 OVR BS , why would someone need 99 to be a good player in NBA ? I mean 99 is obviously close to perfection, why not having myplayers with flaws. Basketball is a team game and i'd say peak myplayers in their primes should be around 90, 94-95 at best. Community is so obssesed over that 99 number that it creates so much talk how to be a 99, you can be good heck even a great player with 92 let's say.

[MarvellousOne]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

It costs way more vc to achieve a 99 these days than it did when it was individual attributes. What was that about business savvy?

Also was less ratings when VC first started than now.

[ATLBrayden]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

Just disable that 99 OVR BS , why would someone need 99 to be a good player in NBA ? I mean 99 is obviously close to perfection, why not having myplayers with flaws. Basketball is a team game and i'd say peak myplayers in their primes should be around 90, 94-95 at best. Community is so obssesed over that 99 number that it creates so much talk how to be a 99, you can be good heck even a great player with 92 let's say.

A lot of people play my career to be a star player, obviously this community is a little different but it's not the majority. Can imagine backlash for being capped at 90.

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[aussieicon91]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

Just disable that 99 OVR BS , why would someone need 99 to be a good player in NBA ? I mean 99 is obviously close to perfection, why not having myplayers with flaws. Basketball is a team game and i'd say peak myplayers in their primes should be around 90, 94-95 at best. Community is so obssesed over that 99 number that it creates so much talk how to be a 99, you can be good heck even a great player with 92 let's say.

The real overall ratings of MyPlayers are in the low 90's if they have 100 attribute upgrades filled. The overall rating system is different for MyCareer then the rest of the game.

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

What's wrong with being 85 mycareer player ? MyCareer is designed to bring your player to NBA stardom but not every MyPlayer should be a star player, i mean this mode should and must require certain level of basketball skill and knowledge to be played. I am perfectly fine with being sixthman in Spurs franchise for example with being rated at 78-80, which also brings good dose of realism, you won't see any Hardens, Durants or James in Spurs to play isolation night in and night out.

I advocate so much for this because i expect much of this 2K franchise, i don't know for ya'll but i play it since early 2000's and remember this game wasn't for everyone, it was sim in it's early days contrary to NBA live arcadeish basketball experience. Now everyone wants weird stuff from developers, like myplayer to become greatest ever in space of 1-2 seasons, to put up 100 pts, to go 99 and dunk over whole teams with 6'0'' guards. What's even worse devs cater to those absurd requests from community, game is really heading into casual direction.

Since i'm big fan of basketball and also played it competitive in span of 20 years in Europe i expect this game to head into other, sim direction. People come online with zero basketball basic knowledge by that i mean things i encountered..

* Putting Harden at PG
* Westbrook at PG, Durant at SG, Morrow at SF
* Playing whole starter lineups for whole game without any noticeable stat consequences
* Not calling timeouts for whole game

Those same people are able to win online games against me, you or anyone else is just insane, i mean ofcourse it's rare but it happen maybe 1 game out of 10. It's not a friggin' street fighter where you tap certain button combination and it plays out, it's a first and foremost a tactical and competitive sports game.

[BlackMambaTheDream]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

What's wrong with being 85 mycareer player ? MyCareer is designed to bring your player to NBA stardom but not every MyPlayer should be a star player, i mean this mode should and must require certain level of basketball skill and knowledge to be played. I am perfectly fine with being sixthman in Spurs franchise for example with being rated at 78-80, which also brings good dose of realism, you won't see any Hardens, Durants or James in Spurs to play isolation night in and night out.

I advocate so much for this because i expect much of this 2K franchise, i don't know for ya'll but i play it since early 2000's and remember this game wasn't for everyone, it was sim in it's early days contrary to NBA live arcadeish basketball experience. Now everyone wants weird stuff from developers, like myplayer to become greatest ever in space of 1-2 seasons, to put up 100 pts, to go 99 and dunk over whole teams with 6'0'' guards. What's even worse devs cater to those absurd requests from community, game is really heading into casual direction.

Since i'm big fan of basketball and also played it competitive in span of 20 years in Europe i expect this game to head into other, sim direction. People come online with zero basketball basic knowledge by that i mean things i encountered..

* Putting Harden at PG
* Westbrook at PG, Durant at SG, Morrow at SF
* Playing whole starter lineups for whole game without any noticeable stat consequences
* Not calling timeouts for whole game

Those same people are able to win online games against me, you or anyone else is just insane, i mean ofcourse it's rare but it happen maybe 1 game out of 10. It's not a friggin' street fighter where you tap certain button combination and it plays out, it's a first and foremost a tactical and competitive sports game.

This shows me once again that customization is the only way to go
to make everyone happy.

We, the players, NEED options. Literally for anything. But especially
for modes like MyCareer. Why not let players choose what kind of
career they have in mind? SuperStar, 2nd option,6th man etc...

Even on my players i didn't spend VC and started as an 55 OVR,
i was already a starter and played 35+ minutes although i was still
a 63-64 OVR and didnt really produce from the bench before that.
They literally force you into the Starplayer role, no matter what you
do even if you would play like a scrub on purpose every game.

Players should have the option to customize their career. For example
to choose a role as your "goal" you will be stuck with since you reach it.
But still having the option to start at the bottom and work your way up
without choosing anything before your career like it is now. Just let everybody
play how he wants.

You want to dominate the league and average 40/20/20 on 65 fg%?
you should be able to. It's your game, have fun with it.

You want to be a bench player with limited minutes your entire career?
you should be able to.

Obviously anything between these 2 examples, too.

In my opinion, more options and customization regardless what
gamemode, can only improve the game overall because more
people will enjoy the game the way they would like to.
Especially in MyCareer where every single career you start is
dictated by the game the same way over and over again.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

...what's wrong with being capped at 85? Because I paid $60 for this darn game, so I better be able to make a 99 if I want to. I play MyCareer a lot, and I want to make the next NBA great/legend, not the next NBA very good.

I want to be the next Magic, Big O or Gary Payton, not the next Mike Conley or Kyle Lowry.

I want to be the next MJ, Kobe or Wade, not the next Demar Derozan or Mitch Richmond.

I want to be the next LeBron, KD or Dr J, not the next Danny Granger or Larry Nance.

We already got hit with the caps (some a bit overboard), and that's fine, because even the greatest had weaknesses somewhere in their game. But capping us at something like 85? You must be out of your mind.

[ATLBrayden]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

...what's wrong with being capped at 85? Because I paid $60 for this darn game, so I better be able to make a 99 if I want to. I play MyCareer a lot, and I want to make the next NBA great/legend, not the next NBA very good.

I want to be the next Magic, Big O or Gary Payton, not the next Mike Conley or Kyle Lowry.

I want to be the next MJ, Kobe or Wade, not the next Demar Derozan or Mitch Richmond.

I want to be the next LeBron, KD or Dr J, not the next Danny Granger or Larry Nance.

We already got hit with the caps (some a bit overboard), and that's fine, because even the greatest had weaknesses somewhere in their game. But capping us at something like 85? You must be out of your mind.

Yeah, like it's fine you don't wanna be forced to be a super star but don't force me to be a career role player.

We should be able to make our own choice, if you don't want to be a 99OVR then just stop upgrading your player, but don't take away the option for me to keep going.

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[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

...what's wrong with being capped at 85? Because I paid $60 for this darn game, so I better be able to make a 99 if I want to. I play MyCareer a lot, and I want to make the next NBA great/legend, not the next NBA very good.

I want to be the next Magic, Big O or Gary Payton, not the next Mike Conley or Kyle Lowry.

I want to be the next MJ, Kobe or Wade, not the next Demar Derozan or Mitch Richmond.

I want to be the next LeBron, KD or Dr J, not the next Danny Granger or Larry Nance.

We already got hit with the caps (some a bit overboard), and that's fine, because even the greatest had weaknesses somewhere in their game. But capping us at something like 85? You must be out of your mind.

OK man, i would let you be next MJ or Kobe if you can achieve it. You think any of these let's say 40 or so rookies want to have careers like Michael Beasley or Kobe Bryant ? Ofcourse these rookies want to be Bryant's, Jordan's, LeBron's but be honest and tell me sincerely how many of them will succeed at that ? One at best and that one is also very much questionable with where he will land, who will he have for teammates, how many minutes and under which coach he will play ?

These circumstances should exist in 2K and being next MJ should be a tricky challenge not a god give opportunity and forced outcome for everyone. I don't want to offend anyone here but current situation is like this :

* You get drafted 1-15 picks guaranteed, no 2nd round picks or ending undrafted (pure BS)
* In your rookie year you play 30+ minutes regarding of roster or franchise.
* Star players treat you like star already out of college, pass you the ball in tight games, coaches expects you to nail game winners even tho they have likes of LeBron, Wade, CP3, Melo on their respective teams.

This whole MyPlayer mode is missed in so many ways contrary to one professional player career because for one young player there are many circumstances that swing his career in one or another direction.

I'll give you some examples how careers go in different ways:
- Jeremy Lin undrafted picked up by Warriors played 29 games on 9.8mpg in his rookie season to average 2.6ppg, gets traded to Knicks where he averaged 26.9 mpg with 14.6 ppg.

- Michael Beasley 2nd pick OVR by Heat, played 81 games in rookie season on 24.8 ppg to average 13.9 ppg, sophomore season he averaged increase of 14.8ppg gets traded to MIN where he averaged career high 19.2ppg then his career taking a hit with 11.5ppg, 10.1ppg and 7.9ppg in 2013/2014.

- Chris Paul 4th pick OVR by Hornets/Pelicans, played 36mpg in his rookie season to average 16.1 ppg, stayed 6 seasons with NO Hornets where he averaged career high for points with 22.8ppg in 2008-2009.

- Dante Exum 5th pick OVR by Jazz, played whole 82 games with 22.2mpg to average 4.8ppg and 2.4apg in his rookie season.

- Manu Ginobili 57th pick OVR by Spurs, played 69 games in his rookie season to average 20.7 mpg and 7.6ppg. His most productive season came in 2007-2008 when he averaged 19.5ppg with 4.8rpg, still playing a role in Spurs rotation with 9.6ppg coming off the bench.

When you look at some of these examples, you can tell there are rare rookies who put over 22ppg in their rookie seasons. Since you said you would like to be next MJ, there is a guy in NBA named Kobe Bryant who also wanted to be like MJ, take a look at his career.

- Kobe Bryant drafted 13th OVR by CHA then traded to LAL. His first season he played 71(6 as starter) games on 15.5mpg to average 7.6ppg, second season he played 79 games (1 as starter) where he averaged 26.0mpg and 15.4ppg, after 5 seasons he was able to put up big numbers that came in 2000/2001 season when he put 40.9mpg combined with 28.5ppg. So here you got a guy who wanted to be like Mike, he didn't averaged 20+ ppg in his first 2 seasons. First 2 seaons played only 7 games as starter despite his enormous talent.

After you take these few examples you can't just say i paid 60$ to be next MJ, Kobe, Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson or whoever you want to be. I also would like to tailor myplayer after Vince Carter but ofcourse i want to feel legit struggle of NBA experience not just to come there and dominate from day one, to have 2 poster dunks on my first game because to achieve some meaningful reputation in NBA it takes time, effort and a dose of luck.

[Caelumfang]

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Yes, it takes a rare rookie to achieve that sort of greatness. But guess what? In everyone's MyCareer, YOU are that rookie. You can post all the numbers you want, but at the end of the day, it is the customers' MyCareer, and I'm quite sure nobody bought the game to be a role player for 20 years.

If you want, don't bother upgrading your MyPlayer, but don't try to force everyone else into that role. If you want to go online with an 80 overall, that's up to you. But don't knock someone who puts in the necessary work on their player in order to achieve a level where they can compete online on an even playing field. I highly doubt anyone wants to play online with a bunch of role player characters.

[trandoanhung1991]

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It's just too easy.

In the history of the NBA, with all its HoF talents, nobody has ever been a regular starter after 10 games, a star after 40 games, and a HoF caliber player after a season, winning a championship/MVP/FMVP/ROTY/DPOY as well as leading the league in scoring and assist.

And with MyCareer that's EASY to do. You can easily upgrade your player to star caliber from a scrub in just around 30-40 games if you play 12-minute quarters, and superstar caliber in just 50-70 games.

I don't feel any pressure, don't feel the struggle of the NBA. There's no drama, no emotions. It's just too easy.

I don't feel special when I average more than 10PPG. I don't feel special when I score my first 20 point/30 point/40 point/50 point game. It's all too easy.

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

If you want, don't bother upgrading your MyPlayer, but don't try to force everyone else into that role.

I'm not forcing anyone to be average NBA player i just say game should be much more challenging and harder for someone to achieve let's say 28ppg season while shooting at least 40% from the field. Where is the fun when you know you can score triple double on will ? Be honest and say, what real effort is needed to upgrade your myplayer ? To type in 12 digit card number ? If that's all effort what is needed to dominate in NBA career i never ever want to play such game.

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

It's just too easy.

In the history of the NBA, with all its HoF talents, nobody has ever been a regular starter after 10 games, a star after 40 games, and a HoF caliber player after a season, winning a championship/MVP/FMVP/ROTY/DPOY as well as leading the league in scoring and assist.

And with MyCareer that's EASY to do. You can easily upgrade your player to star caliber from a scrub in just around 30-40 games if you play 12-minute quarters, and superstar caliber in just 50-70 games.

I don't feel any pressure, don't feel the struggle of the NBA. There's no drama, no emotions. It's just too easy.

I don't feel special when I average more than 10PPG. I don't feel special when I score my first 20 point/30 point/40 point/50 point game. It's all too easy.

Exactly, i scored one game 68 pts vs Bucks without any sweat or struggle to cruise to those 68. I don't have any problems with scoring 100 if someone can do it but problem is game forces you to be NBA great instead of making and challenging you to be great, it's complete deception and it certainly doesn't feel like most elite basketball league in the world, it feels more like D-League where you are 1st round pick who is sent to dominate and come back stronger.

[Caelumfang]

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And then when it's challenging, you'll be right back on here (like earlier in the year when the computer played stifling defense) crying that the CPU is cheap or cheating. It's a never-ending cycle. You want a challenge? Make a character and never upgrade him. Stay a 55 and play HoF sim. There, fixed.

NBA legends find the NBA game to be quite a bit easier than your run-of-the-mill players, that's just the way it is. Oh right, I forgot, to provide a challenge, everyone should be shooting 15% every game.

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

And then when it's challenging, you'll be right back on here (like earlier in the year when the computer played stifling defense) crying that the CPU is cheap or cheating. It's a never-ending cycle. You want a challenge? Make a character and never upgrade him. Stay a 55 and play HoF sim. There, fixed.

NBA legends find the NBA game to be quite a bit easier than your run-of-the-mill players, that's just the way it is. Oh right, I forgot, to provide a challenge, everyone should be shooting 15% every game.

No i don't come here to cry about broken CPU and i never meant that cheesy CPU is challenging. By challenge i mean actual NBA clubs waive you, trade you, send you to D-League or overseas if that's part of their philosophy. Not upgrading player can't compensate for 2K inability to create realistic NBA career and whole of it's surroundings.

Secondly franchises aren't realistic when it comes to their man management and tactical philosophy. I played MyCareer like 2 months ago and tried on purpose to end up on Spurs to see if it would be at least 10% realistic and guess what. I was 3rd pick ended up in Kings, asked for trade then i was traded to Spurs where i instantly became 1st and only attacking option. Team wasn't running their all around offense that includes deep bench, i was scoring 33 per game, Leonard was adding 12, Aldridge 15. I could run isolation without Pop ever being a factor who would say 'hell nah, i'm the one who dictates things over here'.

Conclusion: Wherever you end in mycareer, there is no diversity from franchise to franchise, it's all basically same just a different jersey.