Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

And Jordan was perfect in every way and had absolutely no weakness or area of his game he wasn't the best at? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Jordan wasn't great and all but by the logic u are using no one should be a 99 not even Jordan.

No, Jordan is GOAT period. He was above average at anything you could ask from player except 3pt and even so he managed to score ridiculous numbers. I am only saying how 2K compensate and overrates Curry weak sides just for the sake of the number 99.

[Mauer4MVP]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

Where did I say anything about perfect. I simply explained that Curry doesn't need a higher ranting than 99 because he isn't the best player in the game.

Why are you qualifying his rebounding skills ("for his size"); size doesn't matter when we are talking about the best. period. Now if we are talking about the best short PGs...okay.

Well he was 3rd in rebounding among point guards.

[Mauer4MVP]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

Not really, Jordan was above average at everything other than 3 point shooting. We're talking about a guy who once averaged 32.5/8/8 in a season. Arguably the greatest scorer of all-time and he is also arguably a top 5 defender. He makes perfect sense for 99 overall. Within their current scale and how a player is rated 99, MJ as a 99 works. To make Curry a 99, you'd have to rate him higher than his actual ability and that's not right.

And current Curry IS the greatest offensive player ever with good defense.

[Mauer4MVP]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

No, Jordan is GOAT period. He was above average at anything you could ask from player except 3pt and even so he managed to score ridiculous numbers. I am only saying how 2K compensate and overrates Curry weak sides just for the sake of the number 99.

No one is debating that Jordan is the GOAT. But that implies entire career. We're talking about an individual season and Curry was as dominate as that Jordan.

[cima]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

And current Curry IS the greatest offensive player ever with good defense.

Good Lord, get off Curry's nuts man. No, he is not the greatest offensive player ever. He is the greatest shooter ever, but he is not the greatest offensive player ever.

[E The Rhymer]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

No, Jordan is GOAT period. He was above average at anything you could ask from player except 3pt and even so he managed to score ridiculous numbers. I am only saying how 2K compensate and overrates Curry weak sides just for the sake of the number 99.

All I'm saying is that by the logic you are using to justify why Curry isn't worthy can be used to say Jordan is either and none should be above a 98. No player out there EVER has been prefect in every facet of the game including Jordan which you yourself even admitted. If the argument for Curry not being 99 is that he isn't a perfect player in every way the. Neither was MJ or any other player to hit the court so far.

[E The Rhymer]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

Not really, Jordan was above average at everything other than 3 point shooting. We're talking about a guy who once averaged 32.5/8/8 in a season. Arguably the greatest scorer of all-time and he is also arguably a top 5 defender. He makes perfect sense for 99 overall. Within their current scale and how a player is rated 99, MJ as a 99 works. To make Curry a 99, you'd have to rate him higher than his actual ability and that's not right.

Your missing my point I'm saying that if you want to say Curry isn't worth 99 because his game isn't perfect all around then I don't see how u can make one for Michael Jordan to be 99 yes 3pt shorting may have been his only problem but it was still a area of the game he was below average in and being below average in something means you are not perfect and using the logic some of you are using Jordan shouldn't be 99 either and the highest in the game should be 98. NO ONE in the game if basketball is a "perfect player" that's all I'm saying

[cima]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

99 isn't perfect though, 100 is perfect. And that rating can't be achieved. Therefore, I have no issue with MJ being 99


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[raidertiger]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

Good Lord, get off Curry's nuts man. No, he is not the greatest offensive player ever. He is the greatest shooter ever, but he is not the greatest offensive player ever.

I guess per 100 possessions and efficiency means nothing to you? 2016 Steph blows any of Jordans scoring seasons out of the water.

[Mauer4MVP]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

Good Lord, get off Curry's nuts man. No, he is not the greatest offensive player ever. He is the greatest shooter ever, but he is not the greatest offensive player ever.

I think you're confused again by basketball concepts. What's the point of offense again? To score points, right?

Well if that's true then that would make Curry (right now) the best offensive player ever. I guess it shouldn't surprise me fans still can't grasp to Warriors greatness. It took the NBA this one to realize the value of the 3.

[cima]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

I guess per 100 possessions and efficiency means nothing to you? 2016 Steph blows any of Jordans scoring seasons out of the water.

Actually if you want to use your 100 possessions stat, 2016 Curry Offensive Rating was 125, equal to Jordan's best season which was also 125. Jordan had an OR of over 120 7 times in his career. Curry's done that twice. Curry also doesn't touch MJ in Win Shares or Offensive Win Shares.

[cima]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

I think you're confused again by basketball concepts. What's the point of offense again? To score points, right?

Well if that's true then that would make Curry (right now) the best offensive player ever. I guess it shouldn't surprise me fans still can't grasp to Warriors greatness. It took the NBA this one to realize the value of the 3.

Why are you kids so confused? I'm really sorry you never saw MJ play. There's more to being an offensive player than being a great shooter from everywhere on the floor. Which is why when we go back to the PER 100 Possessions stats, Curry averaged 42.5 points per 100 possessions this year. MJ equaled or eclipsed that 7 times. MJ got it done through the mid-range game and getting to the foul line. They had very different styles of play, but all metrics, advanced stats, and the eye test will show that MJ was still superior to Curry. The only thing Curry is without a doubt superior to MJ in regards to scoring is the 3 point shot.

[Mauer4MVP]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

Why are you kids so confused? I'm really sorry you never saw MJ play. There's more to being an offensive player than being a great shooter from everywhere on the floor. Which is why when we go back to the PER 100 Possessions stats, Curry averaged 42.5 points per 100 possessions this year. MJ equaled or eclipsed that 7 times. MJ got it done through the mid-range game and getting to the foul line.

Again the "he did it whothoutbthe three point shot" argument. Always make me laugh.

Glad to see you're looking at the raw ppg and not how efficient those points were scored.

Curry is also a really good finisher by the way.

[raidertiger]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

Actually if you want to use your 100 possessions stat, 2016 Curry Offensive Rating was 125, equal to Jordan's best season which was also 125. Jordan had an OR of over 120 7 times in his career. Curry's done that twice. Curry also doesn't touch MJ in Win Shares or Offensive Win Shares.

Choose any Jordan season

Points per 100: approx 43-44

Steph: 42.5

Now here's where all the separation is

Jordan TS% - approx .600
Steph TS% - .670

The gap between Jordan and Steph in terms of efficiency is around the same as Jordan to DeMar DeRozan. It's a MAMMOTH difference. Like, not even close. And when you have similar volume as they do...well sorry but Stephs offensive peak is higher.

[cima]

Re: Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

Again the "he did it whothoutbthe three point shot" argument. Always make me laugh.

Glad to see you're looking at the raw ppg and not how efficient those points were scored.

Curry is also a really good finisher by the way.

That's literally your only argument is true shooting %. True shooting % doesn't equal GOAT offensive player.