Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest first

[QNo]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

Pham, you video demonstration shows pretty much all close out contests but what about on ball contests?

Let's say you're user on ball against an isolation play.. I find the on ball manual contest to be very slow - responsive wise the on ball contest animation triggers too slowly and innefectually.

I have to anticipate a shot going up in order to get a solid contest because if I wait to react to the shot it'll be too late. In other ways, what I'm basically saying is I will actually lose a lot of ground if I play defense using the right stick to get my hand up. The ball handler will blow by me while I'm in that crouching tiger position.



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Yeah, and sometimes the contest doesn't register - you press the RS but nothing happens. Maybe 5-8% of the time, so much that I have the setting on Intense D instead of manual contest. I still try to contest manually as much as possible, but setting it to Intense D has bailed me out countless times.

[myathebee]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

Yet this still does happen to me no matter what...

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[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

Yeah, and sometimes the contest doesn't register - you press the RS but nothing happens. Maybe 5-8% of the time, so much that I have the setting on Intense D instead of manual contest. I still try to contest manually as much as possible, but setting it to Intense D has bailed me out countless times.

Ya, this why I also side with Intense - D but I didn't know of a handicap with this on until Pham mentioned albeit he didn't cite any evidence to support this claim.

I went back to Manual to Sam's credit here but I still don't see any over advantageous results. I'm going to stick with it a few more sessions and see if something new clicks but my biggest want is to give a full green contest while playing tight on ball defense.

It's a bit too complex and cumbersome for me controls wise to play on ball and contest simultaneously so it's nice to have the cpu assistance while I'm in Intense - D. I also don't have good post defense position if I only use right stick - my positioning will suffer heavily without using intense d trigger. It may save me a foul but I still give up an easy 2 due to sore positioning so it's a dammed experience.

I ultimately hope they stop triggering hard fouls and flagrant when you use the steal button or intense d trigger or a combination of both. There should be a separate command to intentionally trigger hard fouls and flagrant which should be exclusively set to the select button on defense or a combination of right stick and left stick simultaneously pushed down at the center top of the stick.



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[loadedlux]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

Yup all my 2K gameplays are manual contests

In the settings is your Right Stick Defense set to Camera Relative or Absolute? Also there is a bunch of times where i point the stick toward shooter and my guy just keeps his hand at his sides. How do i stop that?

[itchyroll_51]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

In the settings is your Right Stick Defense set to Camera Relative or Absolute? Also there is a bunch of times where i point the stick toward shooter and my guy just keeps his hand at his sides. How do i stop that?

That's anticipation. The RS response isn't immediate, so you have to understand when a shot is likely to come and push RS at the shooter.

*and I am always on camera relative

[itchyroll_51]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

Ya, this why I also side with Intense - D but I didn't know of a handicap with this on until Pham mentioned albeit he didn't cite any evidence to support this claim.

I went back to Manual to Sam's credit here but I still don't see any over advantageous results. I'm going to stick with it a few more sessions and see if something new clicks but my biggest want is to give a full green contest while playing tight on ball defense.

It's a bit too complex and cumbersome for me controls wise to play on ball and contest simultaneously so it's nice to have the cpu assistance while I'm in Intense - D. I also don't have good post defense position if I only use right stick - my positioning will suffer heavily without using intense d trigger. It may save me a foul but I still give up an easy 2 due to sore positioning so it's a dammed experience.

I ultimately hope they stop triggering hard fouls and flagrant when you use the steal button or intense d trigger or a combination of both. There should be a separate command to intentionally trigger hard fouls and flagrant which should be exclusively set to the select button on defense or a combination of right stick and left stick simultaneously pushed down at the center top of the stick.


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In my experience if you can get a full bar nothing goes in much (manual or intense) but if you get that C+ bar I mentioned intense D goes in way more.

[jeebs9]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

Nice video Sam Pham!!! I love it!

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

After last night I can say I definitely hit a new high mark in defending the post with manual contest (right stick alone). I started to use right stick and left stick together, something I wasn't comfortable with initially. I'm now seeing better hands up with body up animations.

I'm also definitely seeing more clanks when I close out on the 3 now using turbo + right stick pointed towards the shooter.

This is all experience from Park. The full green contest in Park is still not as strong as it is in other modes but I'm not complaining - that's a reality I can accept and live with considering the modes casual experience.

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[ILLSmak]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

That is just not true at all for the park . Contested shots have a way higher chance than 10%.

There are really 4 contests. There is the contest where dudes have to jump back. That's the one that never goes in. Dudes make good contests in park, but not enough to win.

I always tried to tell people to play D (When I was explaining it to new players or friends) as draw a line between the player who is shooting and the basket, and you want to cut thru that line while they are shooting. I wouldn't worry about the foul or pressing manual contest... Just run under them. The reason that works well, for me, is you are then out for a break.

Once you realize where the contest 'sweet spot' is, you can contest by just barely going thru that area and then just jet out for an easy bucket.

I've found that way more effective than jumping UNLESS you get the block. And it's much safer. You can get a foul rarely if you do it, but almost never.

I've never had an issue with manual contests (I use what it triggers and focus on getting my guy in the position where the animation will go off); sometimes I kinda push into people (which causes the 4th animation) for about .5 seconds before I jet out for the lay up/dunk.

I like the vid as well, but I would def help people understand they don't have to stay under people or contest running out of bounds. It's best to contest running toward the other hoop.

-Smak

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

[...] It's best to contest running toward the other hoop.

-Smak

Could you please elaborate on this part.. I don't understand the effectiveness of applying this logic to a shot that goes up from the corner..

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[bls]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

Right stick defense doesn't work for me. No matter my POE settings, without my hand on the aggressive defense trigger, i still do hard fouls on offensive players when im guarding in the post. It makes absolutely no sense. I also bite on pump fakes when i haven't even pressed the jump button.

You should be able to contest with your hands straight up and thats it. But this game has auto everything in it. Auto contest, auto dribbles.....frustrating. Have defensive assist on 0 as well.

[GradyMac]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

Right stick defense doesn't work for me. No matter my POE settings, without my hand on the aggressive defense trigger, i still do hard fouls on offensive players when im guarding in the post. It makes absolutely no sense. I also bite on pump fakes when i haven't even pressed the jump button.

You should be able to contest with your hands straight up and thats it. But this game has auto everything in it. Auto contest, auto dribbles.....frustrating. Have defensive assist on 0 as well.

Are you certain you don't have Contest set to always? It just sound like it from what you describe.

[GradyMac]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

Yet this still does happen to me no matter what...

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It looks like he releases before you even get you hand up. Would be curious what the "shot contest meter" showed on that play.

[Vni]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

It looks like he releases before you even get you hand up. Would be curious what the "shot contest meter" showed on that play.

People really thinks this is a good contest ? I wish it was a foul first of all.

[ILLSmak]

Re: Don't blame 2K if tough shots go down, instead check if you did a good contest fi

Could you please elaborate on this part.. I don't understand the effectiveness of applying this logic to a shot that goes up from the corner..

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Sure, well, if you are saying that the offensive team could rebound and kick it back to a shooter for a wide open 3, I understand why you wouldn't want to.

Assuming you get the rebound, though, why wouldn't you break out?

My 'logic' is that you have to trigger a kind of flag by entering a certain area during the shot. Once you do that, you don't need to stay there; you can just pass through it once you master it.

Where should you go? Rebound, maybe. It depends, but mostly get out.

Corner shots are so money in 2k, but they also leave you most vulnerable to fast breaks, assuming the pass is on point as it usually was.

The point was that you only need to get in that area, optimally, and then you can move your dude again. You can 'run' through it.

You can go wherever you feel like going, wherever is the most logical to you, after that.

-Smak