2K17 Shooting

[theman824]

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Well, if you have input lag for the stick, you'll have it for every button..

I'm one that rips A LOT on 2k, mostly because the way they've acted the past few years...Input Lag used to be my #1 complaint constantly and how they'd ignore it. It single handedly ruined the game for me, one who was no longer in college (holy **** life moves fast) and played 90℅ online vs others. I hated hated input lag.. you CANT play any sports game, reliant on reaction, with INPUT LAG. They had it so bad too. The worst. They told me it was my connection. My fault, this that. Ronnie response to community 'my connection at the 2k studio is just fine' (idiot)

That said..

They quietly did fix it sometime last year. They did it quietly, not to admit it. But I was truly shocked at how much it improved by the beginning of 2016. I'd say it's 95℅ gone if you use a direct Ethernet cable to your internet. The delay is almost completely gone. The sad thing tho is by the time it was fixed in 16, the game itself wasn't that fun anymore imo..

Sorry for the long posts today.
Had a lot of coffee.

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I can't say they fixed input lag at all. It's been as bad as it's ever been a few days ago. Stopped playing because of it, so i don't know if it's gotten better now. It was at a point where i couldn't play 3vs3 anymore without horrible input lag. 2vs2 somehow was better, but also bad sometimes. May be because fewer players are involved? I still haven't figured it out. I'm guessing it's part internet connection on your end (that's obvious), part "usage of internet" in your neighbourhood where you live (at least in germany with DSL-technology), part which server you end up on, ...

It's plain unplayable sometimes, it's quite smooth other times, and everything in between. It effects defense more that shooting though, but it's a bich.

[Mickeyknoxx]

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Sometimes the problem I have is that I try to do a dribbling move and I'll hold the stick down to long and end up shooting when I don't want to. This is why I prefer to use the stick for dribbling moves and use the button to shoot. I feel like they're putting to much on the stick and I don't like to use it to shoot in the first place.

I think we do have the option to choose what type of controls we have on the right stick. We can choose to be just for the iso moves. Correct me if i'm wrong.

[raidertiger]

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It's so stupid. I don't pull the stick back, not because I can't, but because it's much simpler to do a crossover to the left and then keep on holding the stick that way for a shot. Or taking a stepback using the stick and shooting it like that.

I'm really disappointed in this. There better be an option to switch it off.

[MarkWilliam]

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Yeah I think at this point I'm willing to speculate like many others that the stick is like an incentive to have more "control" over your chances of making a shot.

Like there is incentive to defend on ball to reduce shot success for the opposing team.

I also remember reading that stats are no longer so tightly hinged on real life stats (as in they're not "capped" like in 2K games past).

Perhaps this new shooting mechanic plays a part in that. Incentive.

Blog will end the speculation but that's my guess.

[stillfeelme]

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Yeah I think at this point I'm willing to speculate like many others that the stick is like an incentive to have more "control" over your chances of making a shot.

Like there is incentive to defend on ball to reduce shot success for the opposing team.

I also remember reading that stats are no longer so tightly hinged on real life stats (as in they're not "capped" like in 2K games past).

Perhaps this new shooting mechanic plays a part in that. Incentive.

Blog will end the speculation but that's my guess.

2K has for the past several years been a proponent of giving users who do the work more benefit in terms of bonuses for playing on ball defense. I just hope the stick skill doesn't overpower players. I definitely think it should have some type of bonus over a button press if I have to aim the shot stick.

NBA Elite was the only game that had a truly stick skill shooting system and it was so flawed heavily of course it never released. I know the dev's are not going full blown NBA Elite though.

[CBAT]

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Whatever they decide, I have faith that it will work out. It may not be perfect out of the box, but 2K has done a great job of fixing these gameplay issues within the first few months. I often don't play the game much during the first month or two, while I dabble in the NFL and Madden.

[phriscaul]

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Whatever they decide, I have faith that it will work out. It may not be perfect out of the box, but 2K has done a great job of fixing these gameplay issues within the first few months. I often don't play the game much during the first month or two, while I dabble in the NFL and Madden.

agreed. the one thing they always do get right is the button functionality. if they say it does xyz, it will do xyz. and they always give you an alternative option. they do a really good job with this.

[MarkWilliam]

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2K has for the past several years been a proponent of giving users who do the work more benefit in terms of bonuses for playing on ball defense. I just hope the stick skill doesn't overpower players. I definitely think it should have some type of bonus over a button press if I have to aim the shot stick.

NBA Elite was the only game that had a truly stick skill shooting system and it was so flawed heavily of course it never released. I know the dev's are not going full blown NBA Elite though.

Yeah it seems a dramatic change - I like that they are backing themselves. I suppose if in doubt, patch # 1 can nerf anything too game breaking. But I can already sense patch after patch trying to calibrate this new mechanic.

Really want to know more about it (aswell as the layups) - desperately eager for Mike's blog.

[raiderphantom]

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I don't notice more delay with the stick. It all seems equally bad in my experience. I've switched back and forth to try and find a difference. I do prefer the button but I've known for a while I should make the full time switch.

[Dione2014]

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I Think they needed to change the way shooting was handled in order to take the game to the next level in terms of simulation. Holding down a button until it's time to release is much to simple, which messes with the competitive balance. Players don't shoot anywhere near as well as people tend to think. The facts are The best shooter in the NBA (Stephen curry) only shot 46% with nobody guarding him past 6 feet. He actually shot higher with a guy 4-6 feet which is consider open but not wide open at 49.4%. Contested shots at 2-4 feet (tightly contested) go in for him 40% of the time. Not at all the case in 2k. Because if it was then that would destroy the competitive balance. If shooting took skill somewhat like it did in real life. Then everyone who chooses curry wouldn't always be dominate with him because of the skill gap.

[kabamaru]

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Lol at most of you guys. Thinking it is more "skillful" to play with the stick rather than button etc.

There is no basketball "skill" in learning how to use a stick or a button.

2k like most other games should let you assign your own buttons to whatever you want. Button configuration is so simple to have around.

Now most of you guys look to brag if you know how to move right stick like mad, like this thing shows you "know" basket ball.

Basketball is to read oppoenents weaknesses, spot favorable match-ups (e.g see KD at PF and post him up), run plays, have patience and take good and open shots.

THIS is sim basketball. Timing a button or a stick has nothing to do with basketball skill. I wouldn't mind if there was only true FG % online and all shot timing and window would go away.

If you play long enough and manage to get down the timing you shoot 60% 3s with Rondo and 80% FT with DeAndre. This is not skill imo.

Instead of changing buttons EVERY year 2k at LEAST should enable button configuration and focus on the GAME itself, and the possibilities it offers for the player rather than becoming a "stick-skill" game, cause then I would rather play a FPS

[stillfeelme]

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Lol at most of you guys. Thinking it is more "skillful" to play with the stick rather than button etc.

There is no basketball "skill" in learning how to use a stick or a button.

2k like most other games should let you assign your own buttons to whatever you want. Button configuration is so simple to have around.

Now most of you guys look to brag if you know how to move right stick like mad, like this thing shows you "know" basket ball.

Basketball is to read oppoenents weaknesses, spot favorable match-ups (e.g see KD at PF and post him up), run plays, have patience and take good and open shots.

THIS is sim basketball. Timing a button or a stick has nothing to do with basketball skill. I wouldn't mind if there was only true FG % online and all shot timing and window would go away.

If you play long enough and manage to get down the timing you shoot 60% 3s with Rondo and 80% FT with DeAndre. This is not skill imo.

Instead of changing buttons EVERY year 2k at LEAST should enable button configuration and focus on the GAME itself, and the possibilities it offers for the player rather than becoming a "stick-skill" game, cause then I would rather play a FPS

I don't think anyone is saying that stick skill by itself makes you better player. I actually think it is going to be harder to shoot with the stick only because it has to be aimed in one direction and timed it adds some precision required to shoot. 2K is not going to allow you to turn Rondo into a CP3 shooter they know better. most of the time just because you know a stick timing aim release.

The other part of stick skills will actually involve user skill which I like is they changed the dribble rhythm or size ups to be more user controlled from what I can tell. Which means for the players who have good handles in real life Steph, CP3, Irving. The user has to know the combo, rhythm on the sticks to pull off the moves.

They just made shooting involve more user input from jumpers to layups is now all user controlled. That makes everything shooting more skill based. It will naturally makes some things harder. You still have to know your team, playbook and the strengths of weaknesses of your team that is more user Basketball iQ to put it all together.

[jfsolo]

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Lol at most of you guys. Thinking it is more "skillful" to play with the stick rather than button etc.
{Snip}

Sorry my man, there was a war to determine the core gameplay mechanics for sports video games, and our side lost. Now when I say our side, I don't mean button versus stick, because I'm a shot stick person myself, but the side that wants this

Basketball is to read oppoenents weaknesses, spot favorable match-ups (e.g see KD at PF and post him up), run plays, have patience and take good and open shots.

to be be more important than thumb dexterity. That side lost.

The big sales and microtransation cash comes from the stick skill folks. With esports being a primary focus, it's only going to get worse. Thankfully for me, I should still be able to create a good gaming experience in MyLeague.

[kabamaru]

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Sorry my man, there was a war to determine the core gameplay mechanics for sports video games, and our side lost. Now when I say our side, I don't mean button versus stick, because I'm a shot stick person myself, but the side that wants this




to be be more important than thumb dexterity. That side lost.

The big sales and microtransation cash comes from the stick skill folks. With esports being a primary focus, it's only going to get worse. Thankfully for me, I should still be able to create a good gaming experience in MyLeague.

Yeah man, I meant it vice-versa too. (stick vs button etc)

I see it in every games forum. How important is the thumb skills. I see it in FIFA forums too. The elite players, the skillers, the ALL MANUAL controls gamers. What they really mean is that theyhave no football knowledge whatsoever but they want to be able to use right stick to dribble from their own half with one player and score a goal.

No tactics/passes whatsoever. Just thumbs dexterity. I am35 years old. It reminds me the Street fighter coin machine games where you had to use special stick combos to enable cheats etc.

I see it now in this forum. The "special ability" to pull those super special combos to activate simple actions. How important and more difficult is to use the stick rather than the button... Well imo difficulty of the game should have NOTHING to do with your dexterity on the stick, but with your basketball IQ.

Since obviously 2k is not able to implement this in the game, or it would be way too difficult for the vast majority of the gamers, they promote thumb dexterity as an actually basketball skill.

[thedream2k16]

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Yeah man, I meant it vice-versa too. (stick vs button etc)

I see it in every games forum. How important is the thumb skills. I see it in FIFA forums too. The elite players, the skillers, the ALL MANUAL controls gamers. What they really mean is that theyhave no football knowledge whatsoever but they want to be able to use right stick to dribble from their own half with one player and score a goal.

No tactics/passes whatsoever. Just thumbs dexterity. I am35 years old. It reminds me the Street fighter coin machine games where you had to use special stick combos to enable cheats etc.

I see it now in this forum. The "special ability" to pull those super special combos to activate simple actions. How important and more difficult is to use the stick rather than the button... Well imo difficulty of the game should have NOTHING to do with your dexterity on the stick, but with your basketball IQ.

Since obviously 2k is not able to implement this in the game, or it would be way too difficult for the vast majority of the gamers, they promote thumb dexterity as an actually basketball skill.

Nah considering the amount of moves available on the offensive side with the shot stick and having the ability to pull off the moves at a drop of a dime on offense or defense it is a skill that has to be mastered which is why people like you would rather stick to a simple button. We'll see what happens when 2K makes dribbling stick only in the user's hands and you have to pull off combos on your own that is a skill as well. Don't downplay something because you aren't good at it now. Just getting to practice mode and learn because basketball knowledge and stick skills go hand-in-hand in this game. You just look at comments made by Park players and make an assumption