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  • FerdBrown
    MVP
    • Oct 2016
    • 1200

    #31
    Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

    Originally posted by DC
    You noticed I said WE have to speculate right?



    Meaning, EYE and YALL are speculating because none of us know


    Haha! I agree.

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    • TheFinalEvent97
      MVP
      • Jul 2016
      • 1519

      #32
      Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?


      From link above
      "Intangibles is a measure of being clutch. We shot over 30% better at the end of a close game or at the buzzer at the end of a quarter with 99 intangibles compared to 25."

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      • The Senator
        Rookie
        • Jul 2011
        • 221

        #33
        Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

        Originally posted by ronyell
        I think it's just a ratings booster for guys that may need the boost for rotational purposes.
        This is what I've heard more often than anything else, and it makes the most sense to me, whether it be true or not, I'm not sure.

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        • VAWereWolf65
          MVP
          • Jul 2016
          • 1734

          #34
          Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

          Well i've done multiple tests and it has no affect on gameplay so yea all it does is manipulate their overall
          VAWereWolf65's Custom Draft Class Thread - 2k19 (Xbox One)

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          • Joshdonnie
            Rookie
            • Feb 2015
            • 16

            #35
            Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

            Thats awesome if its the overall modifier I always felt bad using it to bring down a players overall but I never went lower then like 60. Now I know I'm giving players 25s in it.

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            • VAWereWolf65
              MVP
              • Jul 2016
              • 1734

              #36
              Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

              Originally posted by Joshdonnie
              Thats awesome if its the overall modifier I always felt bad using it to bring down a players overall but I never went lower then like 60. Now I know I'm giving players 25s in it.
              I use it a lot in MyLeague for players who I want to have a breakout season or for players who I want to have a bad season
              VAWereWolf65's Custom Draft Class Thread - 2k19 (Xbox One)

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              • TheDuggler
                Pro
                • Sep 2012
                • 728

                #37
                Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

                Originally posted by TheFinalEvent97
                http://www.nba2klab.com/offensive-co...ncy-draw-foul/
                From link above
                "Intangibles is a measure of being clutch. We shot over 30% better at the end of a close game or at the buzzer at the end of a quarter with 99 intangibles compared to 25."
                Sample size? Difficulty? Player/team used? Home game? Away game?

                It makes sense that this is just a re imagined clutch attribute, but I am not ready to believe it based on a single sentence on some random website.

                Maybe if we say Beluba enough times he will appear out of the mist to set us straight

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                • FixEverything2k
                  Pro
                  • May 2016
                  • 577

                  #38
                  Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

                  Why is it even a mystery in the first place? This is nonsense. I honestly feel like they themselves don't know what it is, if they do they shouldn't be ducking the question everytime it comes up.

                  Where else does this happen?
                  ... But hey VC sale!!

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                  • TheFinalEvent97
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2016
                    • 1519

                    #39
                    Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

                    Originally posted by TheDuggler
                    Sample size? Difficulty? Player/team used? Home game? Away game?

                    It makes sense that this is just a re imagined clutch attribute, but I am not ready to believe it based on a single sentence on some random website.

                    Maybe if we say Beluba enough times he will appear out of the mist to set us straight

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                    • DC
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 17996

                      #40
                      Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

                      Originally posted by TheFinalEvent97
                      http://www.nba2klab.com/offensive-co...ncy-draw-foul/
                      From link above
                      "Intangibles is a measure of being clutch. We shot over 30% better at the end of a close game or at the buzzer at the end of a quarter with 99 intangibles compared to 25."
                      Those shooting percentages haves NO context to them.

                      Were they open clutch shots vs. contested?

                      Fatigue levels?

                      Shot ratings by the players that shot those shots?
                      Concrete evidence/videos please

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                      • DC
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 17996

                        #41
                        Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

                        Originally posted by TheFinalEvent97
                        No disrespect to the person that did that video, but that isn't how testing should work.
                        Concrete evidence/videos please

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                        • FerdBrown
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2016
                          • 1200

                          #42
                          Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

                          Originally posted by TheFinalEvent97
                          http://www.nba2klab.com/offensive-co...ncy-draw-foul/
                          From link above
                          "Intangibles is a measure of being clutch. We shot over 30% better at the end of a close game or at the buzzer at the end of a quarter with 99 intangibles compared to 25."


                          With all due respect to 2klab, I'd say I can test anything, be it foul trouble, shooting percentage, dribbling effectiveness, rebound, football pass - whatever, and associate that with intangible - I can pretty much come up with any stats. I can select any attribute among competing choices, and highlight the result that supports that position.

                          I still maintain I have yet to see a document that's explicitly details what this attribute is for.

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                          • ronyell
                            SimWorld Sports Inc - CEO
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 5932

                            #43
                            New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

                            There has yet to be a document explicitly detailing a WHOLE lot of things. Where this game was once one of "transparency for quality" it is now one of "marketing for sales" and with that comes misleading statements about the game and unanswered questions. Thus "what does the intangibles rating do?" Being speculated for 9 months.

                            Best game on the market (by default) but they owe us nothing... and they seem to know it. Their mission was accomplished about 3 years ago in regard to their usage for OS.

                            As far waiting for a legit answer from a dev; the best you're gonna get is a concise speculation from some of us here that are test junkies... it's n overall modifier... nothing more. Nothing less.


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                            • Real2KInsider
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 4658

                              #44
                              Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

                              The rating is nothing more than a modifier for the Overall rating, which should be obvious to anyone who works with Player Ratings.

                              It operates like a quick band-aid fix for the OVR rating as they can just adjust it when they need to drop/raise an OVR. Many of the game's AI decisions are based on OVR which can be quite fickle.

                              Suns
                              95 Devin Booker
                              38 Tyson Chandler

                              Booker is perceived as good yet the truth is his production sucks. Intangibles are the workaround. Conversely, a guy like Chandler you'd think would have high Intangibles but is kept low because he would rate too high relative to his current production otherwise.

                              Warriors
                              98 Stephen Curry / Kevin Durant
                              78 Draymond Green
                              35 Andre Iguodala

                              Stars with high ratings? Check
                              Iguodala meanwhile is one of the ultimate intangible players IRL but is kept low for a variety of game-related reasons. If his rating is too high it wrecks team chemistry, the team becomes more likely to trade him, or the team might start him over Zaza, etc.

                              Nets
                              95 Isiah Whiteside
                              Nobody under 60

                              It becomes a significant band-aid when you look at a team like Nets who are rated TERRIBLE but still need to maintain NBA-caliber OVR ratings to avoid the MyGM system from acting even stupider. Nobody uses the Nets online (which 2K has data for), so rather than spend any time with each individual player figuring out what ratings could be changed, they can just adjust this one to get them to a desired OVR.

                              It's a cost-saving attribute. There are so many attributes nowadays that fully editing a player is very time-consuming relative to 10 years ago. Rather than pay 3-5 developers to work on ratings, 2K can limit the financial damage to roughly one and a half by simply using this attribute (since the vast majority only care about the OVR anyway).
                              Last edited by Real2KInsider; 06-01-2017, 05:00 PM.
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                              • timhere1970
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2013
                                • 1810

                                #45
                                Re: New attribute: Intangibles. What does it do?

                                Originally posted by Rashidi
                                The rating is nothing more than a modifier for the Overall rating, which should be obvious to anyone who works with Player Ratings.

                                It operates like a quick band-aid fix for the OVR rating as they can just adjust it when they need to drop/raise an OVR. Many of the game's AI decisions are based on OVR which can be quite fickle.

                                Suns
                                95 Devin Booker
                                38 Tyson Chandler

                                Booker is perceived as good yet the truth is his production sucks. Intangibles are the workaround. Conversely, a guy like Chandler you'd think would have high Intangibles but is kept low because he would rate too high relative to his current production otherwise.

                                Warriors
                                98 Stephen Curry / Kevin Durant
                                78 Draymond Green
                                35 Andre Iguodala

                                Stars with high ratings? Check
                                Iguodala meanwhile is one of the ultimate intangible players IRL but is kept low for a variety of game-related reasons. If his rating is too high it wrecks team chemistry, the team becomes more likely to trade him, or the team might start him over Zaza, etc.

                                Nets
                                95 Isiah Whiteside
                                Nobody under 60

                                It becomes a significant band-aid when you look at a team like Nets who are rated TERRIBLE but still need to maintain NBA-caliber OVR ratings to avoid the MyGM system from acting even stupider. Nobody uses the Nets online (which 2K has data for), so rather than spend any time with each individual player figuring out what ratings could be changed, they can just adjust this one to get them to a desired OVR.

                                It's a cost-saving attribute. There are so many attributes nowadays that fully editing a player is very time-consuming relative to 10 years ago. Rather than pay 3-5 developers to work on ratings, 2K can limit the financial damage to roughly one and a half by simply using this attribute (since the vast majority only care about the OVR anyway).
                                So, by this theory; would it be correct to say that players with lower intangible are better than players with higher intangibles at the same overall? Even a player with a 75 overall and 20 intangible would actually be better than an 80 overall with an 80 intangible?

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