The VC issue - perfectly put in words

[El_Poopador]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

I hate this stupid topic year after year. You know what you have to do to get your My Player to whatever ridiculous high level you want within the first couple of weeks. It's NOT a surprise! Period.

Having said that...you have a choice...buy or don't buy VC. Buy or don't buy the game. Is it really that hard? Please, don't give me the lame excuse of I got a job, kids, wife, blah, blah, blah. If your time is that limited, then MAYBE you might want to get a game that's better at instant gratification. You don't buy GTA then get mad, because the story is too long to accommodate your busy life.

So because I don't have as much time to spend gaming as you, I shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the game as much unless I pay more? How does that logic work?

Getting VC is not that much of a grind. I'm sitting on 30K, and all I played was PNO (legit played BTW). People just want to level up quickly and compete at a high level in My Park or Pro-Am on Day 1. At least there's an OPTION to do it quicker if you're willing to pay.

Someone used COD as an example. Newsflash, you wear the equivalent of the brown sweatpants on Day 1, and you HAVE to play the game to unlock better stuff. Period. Unless they changed, because I did skip BO3 last year.

The difference between COD and NBA 2k is that your character isn't physically inferior to everyone else's if you aren't leveled up. Your aim isn't any worse than people who are 20 levels higher than you.

Lastly, it's not going to change. As it's been stated before, 2K Sports is a business. Get over yourselves. I REALLY hate this new gamer attitude where they think game companies have to put the gamer first (per se) in EVERY business decision. At some point, the game companies have to make BUSINESS decisions to make a PROFIT to CONTINUE improving and introducing games. I don't want it be a situation where Little Timothy is happy spending ONLY $60, but the company is unable to fund new games as a result.

Thoughts like this is exactly why they are able to gouge consumers with VC. Look at companies like Square Enix, who have spent 10+ years now developing Final Fantasy XV. 10+ years on a single game. Do you think they are going to charge more than $60 for a copy? Do you think people will feel the need to spend money in order to be able to match the enemies they will come up against in the game? Yes, there will be some DLC, but you can play through the game without needing to grind endlessly or spend extra money.

For you to think that they wouldn't make a massive profit even if not one person purchased VC is comical. How did they stay afloat before they brought in VC? They were only making $60 per game then.

Look, I don't think anyone is asking for our My Player to start out as a 99 overall. But a 55? As a top tier draft pick who is supposed to be the next big thing out of college?

At the very least, start us around 70-75, with enough athleticism to keep up with other players at our own position. And don't charge us the real world equivalent of $12000 for a compression sleeve.

[Rip4ever]

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This is because 2K have the online things like Pro-Am & Park tied in with their Career. Madden doesn't.

Which is ridiculous and only serves to turn the groups against each other in flame wars. How many VC would I need to pay to get rid of CAPS that are only there for online players or to avoid being forced to play MyPark to get my final 10 bucket upgrades?

[dre2]

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Man it's all a problem but their damned game PLAYS so well, the logical part of my brain sees 2k slowly (slow enough the duller fanboys won't notice it...) raising vc costs a few percent a year while you get more and more involved in their yearly MyCareer modes, I wonder how many of these 'no vc' kids/young adults will by middle age be properly conditioned to buy it by then. It's at that point in time you won't have enough free time to do the grind (happened to me as I hit middle age). Then the next step is hitting the park and starting to lose more than normal against kids who have boosted their MyPlayers more (less responsibility = more free time to grind which in turn honestly probably makes them better than you anyways, lol) to make up the difference you use the only advantage you still have (more disposable income than the kids) and boom...a whole new generation of ppl buying (the ever increasing in cost) vc...but damn them the game plays REALLY well, not gonna lie.

[ruxpinke]

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Great thread, good points coming in on both sides.

My take, speaking for myself only:

Time = Money

thats the backbone of the decision for me. Time and Money are the same. How much is my time worth?

I got the legend gold edition for 100 dollars, 40 dollars more than the standard game price. I then added another 20k in VC, because i needed roughly 120k to max out the 80 attribute slots given to me.

So i'm looking at 60 dollars worth of VC spent.

Lets say it would have taken me 60 hours worth of MC (which Im not a fan of playing) or other modes to earn the VC required to max out. At that number I'm valuing my time at 1 dollar an hour. At that point im working at a nike factory. Even if it takes me 30 hours of gaming, that's 2 dollars an hour.Even at 15, its 4 an hour.

Yes, I am that guy who maxed his my player on day 1. I'm 35, I work, Im married, I got a kid coming. (Heath Slater, I GoT KIDS!)

Every second I can even steal to get some gaming in, Id like to enjoy on my own terms. Not worth it to me to grind. If i get a few hours a week at the park, I'll compete with my mid 80s character for the whole season. For a month or two ill be among the higher rated players, and by the end ill be competing against guys in the mid 90's. fine with me both ways.

If your situation is different than mines, then you make the decision of what matters more to you. When i was younger, I had more free time and less money, and I probably would have grinded my way to where i'm at now.

[downsouth]

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Lmao the arguments in this thread....

Do you really believe 2k are struggling and that 240 million is only enough to scrape by and pay the light bills so they desperately need VC sales in order to thrive?

There's a couple of people in this thread that I'm sure are plants...

The market dictates how much is enough, not you. If you felt that strongly about it you shouldnt buy the game. Have some principles and stop counting other peoples money. OF COURSE i would rather not buy VC. But is it too much for me? Not yet. At least if i think someone is ripping me off I dont keep paying them while i complain. Thats why i dont have directv.

How that makes me a plant boggles the mind.

[dre2]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

Great thread, good points coming in on both sides.

My take, speaking for myself only:

Time = Money

thats the backbone of the decision for me. Time and Money are the same. How much is my time worth?

I got the legend gold edition for 100 dollars, 40 dollars more than the standard game price. I then added another 20k in VC, because i needed roughly 120k to max out the 80 attribute slots given to me.

So i'm looking at 60 dollars worth of VC spent.

Lets say it would have taken me 60 hours worth of MC (which Im not a fan of playing) or other modes to earn the VC required to max out. At that number I'm valuing my time at 1 dollar an hour. At that point im working at a nike factory. Even if it takes me 30 hours of gaming, that's 2 dollars an hour.Even at 15, its 4 an hour.

Yes, I am that guy who maxed his my player on day 1. I'm 35, I work, Im married, I got a kid coming. (Heath Slater, I GoT KIDS!)

Every second I can even steal to get some gaming in, Id like to enjoy on my own terms. Not worth it to me to grind. If i get a few hours a week at the park, I'll compete with my mid 80s character for the whole season. For a month or two ill be among the higher rated players, and by the end ill be competing against guys in the mid 90's. fine with me both ways.

If your situation is different than mines, then you make the decision of what matters more to you. When i was younger, I had more free time and less money, and I probably would have grinded my way to where i'm at now.

I like this thread for the same reason and I am similar to you (but even older...big up to the 2k Dreamcast squad). I think one of the reasons VC is so devisive is that vc and microtransactions are honestly really badly presented/doled out but the actual game is very good, adding to that they are literally the only game in town now (unlike Madden by BEATING their competition mind you not buying the license) and they get a pass where another game would get a lot of flak for having the features and crappy micro-transactions. We won't even get into the fanatical fervor sports-fans have which adds to them being able to get away with these practices. The way they tie their singleplayer MyCareer into their competitive modes is silly, if you had to grind sp to play BF or COD online I bet it'd start an internet riot...different fans holding their games to diff. standards I guess.

[Mweemwee]

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The market dictates how much is enough, not you. If you felt that strongly about it you shouldnt buy the game. Have some principles and stop counting other peoples money. OF COURSE i would rather not buy VC. But is it too much for me? Not yet. At least if i think someone is ripping me off I dont keep paying them while i complain. Thats why i dont have directv.

How that makes me a plant boggles the mind.

1. I don't buy VC and I get by fine. I already stated that.

2. Of course the market dictates what the price is. I agree, if everyone else is doing it and people are paying it why change a winning formula?

That has nothing to do with you acting like they can't get buy without it and crying that they are barely making a profit lol. It's just an immature argument.

- they clearly aren't desperate
- they don't NEED the extra sales so that Ronnie and LDs children can go to school
- they just charge it because they can, and I'm not arguing that

[El_Poopador]

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It's fairly easy.. Hall of Fame & 5 minute quarters and just get a really good team mate grade (screens and passes help) & respectful stats.. You can earn between 800-1200VC plus the daily 500VC from the phone app then finally the endorsements in-game that can give 6,000VC+.

So if you only have an hour or an hour and a half per day you could realistically earn lets say between 3,000VC to 4,000VC.

That's between 40 to 50 hours to get near 150,000VC. I think to max your guy it's between 150,000-200,000VC. Within a month you will have a max guy by playing for an hour or so per day.

Assuming I have an hour per day to play, it would take roughly a month and a half, by your 40-50 hour estimate, to get enough VC to max out a player. That's assuming that I play on HOF and get good teammate grades and decent stats.

Now let's looks at reality: When you first start, you're lucky to get 10 minutes per game on 12 minute quarters. Cut that down to 5 minute quarters and I'm playing 3-5 minutes per game. Starting each game with a C grade, it is all but impossible to get higher than a C- in that amount of time, nor is it possible to get any meaningful numbers statistically. Endorsements probably don't offer up a lot of VC until later in the mode.

So I'm looking at at least two months of grinding for the full hour just to get enough VC to max out one player, and that's without buying clothing, accessories, or animations. Even if I don't want to max out the player, I'm still looking at a couple weeks to a month or so of having a sloth on the court.

So what if I want to have more than one player? Sometimes I like to play as a PG, sometimes a SG, sometimes as a SF, etc. That is a lot of time to spend grinding, not to mention the time I am forced to watch the unskippable cutscenes for each player I create, just to make a player that is as athletic as those around me.

These numbers also assume that I have an hour per day, seven days a week, to dedicate to this game. Sadly, I don't.

[ruxpinke]

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I like this thread for the same reason and I am similar to you (but even older...big up to the 2k Dreamcast squad). I think one of the reasons VC is so devisive is that vc and microtransactions are honestly really badly presented/doled out but the actual game is very good, adding to that they are literally the only game in town now (unlike Madden by BEATING their competition mind you not buying the license) and they get a pass where another game would get a lot of flak for having the features and crappy micro-transactions. We won't even get into the fanatical fervor sports-fans have which adds to them being able to get away with these practices. The way they tie their singleplayer MyCareer into their competitive modes is silly, if you had to grind sp to play BF or COD online I bet it'd start an internet riot...different fans holding their games to diff. standards I guess.

agreed, i think the best thing they could do is separate the online and offline careers.

Offline let guys do what they want, become superhuman, etc.

Make us create an online character who is totally separate from the offline MC, cap us all you want for balance, and allow us to get our rewards/upgrades/badges from online play, similar to a COD style.

Im sure its not as simple as that from a business perspective, but I think they could find a way to make it work.

[dre2]

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agreed, i think the best thing they could do is separate the online and offline careers.

Offline let guys do what they want, become superhuman, etc.

Make us create an online character who is totally separate from the offline MC, cap us all you want for balance, and allow us to get our rewards/upgrades/badges from online play, similar to a COD style.

Im sure its not as simple as that from a business perspective, but I think they could find a way to make it work.

I mean it could work, they are trying (like everything on Earth) to go all E-sports...at some point you have to seperate them or risk alienating one group of your fanbase (not everyone wants to play online). I mainly just lament how vc has taken minute detail away from my MyPlayer in a game that thrives/strives for detail...I can afford to buy vc if I want (sometimes I do, sometimes I don't) but I can't as a young NBA star...buy ankle socks so these lows don't look trash. Like you are setting up the sp as a roleplaying game and trying to microtransact it like an E-sport free to play...that really ruins the immersion a bit from a gameplay perspective

[Celtics4Life]

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Make us create an online character who is totally separate from the offline MC, cap us all you want for balance, and allow us to get our rewards/upgrades/badges from online play, similar to a COD style.
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^^^^^^THIS^^^^^


Nothing new though we've been asking for a few years now. I see no reasoning behind caps or VC for anyone that actually wants to play career and seasons like me. It's my time, my career, my season so let me do what I wish and upgrade everything to 99 and dunk 24 seven. 2k wont lose a sale i will still buy it year after year end of story.

For online as you said put caps make them buy vc or whatever else. I bet you though sales of VC will drop. Because now you will have people like me vs the hardcore Mypark player separating.

[downsouth]

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Very simple guys. The only way a consumer can really tell a company they dont like a product is to not buy it. When i say that i am saying it 100% seriously and with 0% smart-assness.

Its that way for each and every consumer product. I buy VC now but I swear to you when it becomes more than I am comfortable with I wont give them one more dollar. I wont pay them and then act ripped off. I will simply not buy the game anymore and tell as many people as I can why.

Do i have Verizon Wireless? No, they got too expensive so i cancelled them and got metro pcs.

[x_NBA_x]

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Assuming I have an hour per day to play, it would take roughly a month and a half, by your 40-50 hour estimate, to get enough VC to max out a player. That's assuming that I play on HOF and get good teammate grades and decent stats.

Now let's looks at reality: When you first start, you're lucky to get 10 minutes per game on 12 minute quarters. Cut that down to 5 minute quarters and I'm playing 3-5 minutes per game. Starting each game with a C grade, it is all but impossible to get higher than a C- in that amount of time, nor is it possible to get any meaningful numbers statistically. Endorsements probably don't offer up a lot of VC until later in the mode.

So I'm looking at at least two months of grinding for the full hour just to get enough VC to max out one player, and that's without buying clothing, accessories, or animations. Even if I don't want to max out the player, I'm still looking at a couple weeks to a month or so of having a sloth on the court.

So what if I want to have more than one player? Sometimes I like to play as a PG, sometimes a SG, sometimes as a SF, etc. That is a lot of time to spend grinding, not to mention the time I am forced to watch the unskippable cutscenes for each player I create, just to make a player that is as athletic as those around me.

These numbers also assume that I have an hour per day, seven days a week, to dedicate to this game. Sadly, I don't.

NBA 2K17 has a life span of 12 months. If it takes you 2 months to max out one guy, then you still have 10 months to play the 'current' game. If it takes you longer then you can still enjoy the game also.

In your situation you are saying that you want to be a PG, then a SG and so on.. Why not create a player and play a MyLeague with player lock? That to me sounds more suited to your limits with time, the cutscenes being the same for multiple characters etc, being able to add accessories when you want, changing positions, mixing up attributes and badges etc..

Sounds like you are someone who wants to be on par with those who are 85+ but don't want to put the time/or can't due to limits in your private life or pay for the VC.. Everyone has to make sacrifices and if your time is limited then your sacrifice will have to be playing MyCareer..

[ksuttonjr76]

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So because I don't have as much time to spend gaming as you, I shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the game as much unless I pay more? How does that logic work?



The difference between COD and NBA 2k is that your character isn't physically inferior to everyone else's if you aren't leveled up. Your aim isn't any worse than people who are 20 levels higher than you.



Thoughts like this is exactly why they are able to gouge consumers with VC. Look at companies like Square Enix, who have spent 10+ years now developing Final Fantasy XV. 10+ years on a single game. Do you think they are going to charge more than $60 for a copy? Do you think people will feel the need to spend money in order to be able to match the enemies they will come up against in the game? Yes, there will be some DLC, but you can play through the game without needing to grind endlessly or spend extra money.

For you to think that they wouldn't make a massive profit even if not one person purchased VC is comical. How did they stay afloat before they brought in VC? They were only making $60 per game then.

Look, I don't think anyone is asking for our My Player to start out as a 99 overall. But a 55? As a top tier draft pick who is supposed to be the next big thing out of college?

At the very least, start us around 70-75, with enough athleticism to keep up with other players at our own position. And don't charge us the real world equivalent of $12000 for a compression sleeve.

Here's the kicker. You're still enjoying the game though, but at a slower pace. Not buying VC, doesn't lessen your experience. This whole VC argument is based on skills and availability.

Some of you are mad, because you immediately want to jump into MyPark and compete. In your mind, you feel like your experience is less, because your opponent is killing you with their higher overall player. Instead of getting better (contrary to popular belief, you CAN compete with a lower ranked player) or grinding, you rather whine about not being able to get VC for free. What it boils down to is that people want to be superstars without the work.

In COD, you unlock the better guns, perks, and kill steaks as you rank up. In some cases, you have guns that you can purchase. There will be some players who are a beast no matter what gun they use. Then you have the group who will believe they need access to the higher guns to compete against prestiged players, vets, or people who simply "had more time than you". What you're asking for is the equivalent of asking Activision to unlock everything from the start, so everyone is on an "even" playing field no matter their time constraints or financial situation.

Having said that, my attitude is "Suck it up, and man up to the challenge." to those people. If your beef is the starting point of your player, then THAT should be your area of focus and NOT the existence of VC. For me, VC is right at that sweet spot where you can get it quick enough and not grind forever just to be "alright". However, if you got the money to spend, then more power to you. I'll be catching up to you in about two weeks, because I'm not scared to play as a 70 overall due to my confidence in my stick skills.

[monegames]

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NBA 2K17 has a life span of 12 months. If it takes you 2 months to max out one guy, then you still have 10 months to play the 'current' game. If it takes you longer then you can still enjoy the game also.

In your situation you are saying that you want to be a PG, then a SG and so on.. Why not create a player and play a MyLeague with player lock? That to me sounds more suited to your limits with time, the cutscenes being the same for multiple characters etc, being able to add accessories when you want, changing positions, mixing up attributes and badges etc..

Sounds like you are someone who wants to be on par with those who are 85+ but don't want to put the time in or pay for the VC.. Everyone has to make sacrifices and if your time is limited then your sacrifice will have to be playing MyCareer..

NO they sound like someone that wants to play a career mode for a game without all the Online restrictions. You know like in 2k12.