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  • ch46647
    MVP
    • Aug 2006
    • 3514

    #46
    Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

    I tried to switch teams and set the CPU to these settings, then switch back. It didn't work. All hell broke loose with the CPU defense. Actually seemed a lot worse then it would have been without making those changes.

    Needless to say, developers are going to have to make these changes in a patch.

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    • Insight23
      MVP
      • Aug 2010
      • 1585

      #47
      Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

      Originally posted by ch46647
      I tried to switch teams and set the CPU to these settings, then switch back. It didn't work. All hell broke loose with the CPU defense. Actually seemed a lot worse then it would have been without making those changes.



      Needless to say, developers are going to have to make these changes in a patch.

      Ahh ok, it would be a hassle to make those changes at the start of every game anyway. I'm shutting teams down with these settings as the Sixers on Superstar difficulty. I'll bump it up to hall of fame if it continues.

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      • Hustle Westbrook
        MVP
        • Jan 2015
        • 3113

        #48
        Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

        Shout out to Sam Pham. Held my opponent to 5 points in the 1st quarter with these settings!
        Check out my YouTube channel for NBA 2K16 MyTeam and Play Now Online gameplay videos!

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        • bateman11
          MVP
          • Jul 2004
          • 1729

          #49
          Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

          Originally posted by WTF
          Posting to subscribe.

          Can we input these in the main menu for coach strategies, for all teams. I don't recall if that is there or not. Or will we have to go in each game and do these things?
          Unfortunately we can't, outside of my league. Definitely would be a welcomed addition for next year.
          PSN: rose2kobe24

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          • vtcha
            MVP
            • Nov 2009
            • 2180

            #50
            Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

            Going to test this out tonight.

            Hopefully no more cheesy drive-ins from the CPU, especially after inbounding the ball!

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            • LorenzoDC
              MVP
              • Sep 2010
              • 1857

              #51
              Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

              Just to chime in I had my first and only excellent game after using these adjustment strategies. I lost, but that was on me, as I'm still getting used to my roster and the little things in offensive execution this year. And I was not the better team either.

              Lost by 4 in the last minute. One thing I noticed, though: after I fouled late to stop the clock, the CPU team got possession of the ball again after the foul shots. has anyone else seen that happen late in games?

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              • Marty Funkhouser
                Rookie
                • Aug 2016
                • 191

                #52
                Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

                gonna test this out, if it works, then i don't have to wait until the patch to play.

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                • kabamaru
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2013
                  • 2478

                  #53
                  Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

                  Guys just a side comment/ observation and if Sam can help out is welcome . Playing online you have 2 minutes for total game pause.
                  I use normally tight and over for good shooters, deny and over for great shooters, gap for centers and I don't hedge. Also I play post 3/4 bottom.

                  I like the set of Sam. I have used it and it works but all this micromanagement is about 90 seconds out of the 120.

                  Is there a short version of the above so someone can do a small adjustment?

                  I don't want to be spending 90-100 seconds on starting screen because in the game I won't have time for any adjustment I have to do to my opponent's game.

                  So what would be the most critical change of all to do from the above?
                  Switch from auto to all?

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                  • Black Bruce Wayne
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 1459

                    #54
                    Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

                    So if the help defense is "broke" but you found the settings that are already in the game, to supposedly fix the broken help defense, then how was it broke? lol

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                    • pazpay2k28
                      Rookie
                      • Sep 2016
                      • 19

                      #55
                      Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

                      Tag the roll man leads to chaos. Turn it off.

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                      • stillfeelme
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 2406

                        #56
                        Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

                        Originally posted by Black Bruce Wayne
                        So if the help defense is "broke" but you found the settings that are already in the game, to supposedly fix the broken help defense, then how was it broke? lol
                        The help defense didn't make sense out of the box. It is not like the Dev's gave us a full glossary or blog on what each setting is supposed to do.

                        I mean they even added more options this year and didn't even explain what they were supposed to do. Now if the defense behaved more of what we expected out of the NBA basketball out of auto then there would have been minimal complaints.

                        So the only thing I think is "broke" is probably auto settings

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                        • stillfeelme
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 2406

                          #57
                          Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

                          Originally posted by kabamaru
                          Guys just a side comment/ observation and if Sam can help out is welcome . Playing online you have 2 minutes for total game pause.
                          I use normally tight and over for good shooters, deny and over for great shooters, gap for centers and I don't hedge. Also I play post 3/4 bottom.

                          I like the set of Sam. I have used it and it works but all this micromanagement is about 90 seconds out of the 120.

                          Is there a short version of the above so someone can do a small adjustment?

                          I don't want to be spending 90-100 seconds on starting screen because in the game I won't have time for any adjustment I have to do to my opponent's game.

                          So what would be the most critical change of all to do from the above?
                          Switch from auto to all?
                          The short version is to change this from the coaching menu

                          1. Make all adjustments on the first screen so it applies to everyone.
                          2. Switch Rules- Use "Switch All".. *Do not leave on AUTO* (This is what is causing the big men and other defenders to just wander off from their man)
                          3. Pre-Rotate- Switch to "NO (All)"
                          4. Screen Help Rules- "Help and No Rotation (All)"
                          5. Help Rules- "Help (All)

                          "Switch All" should be used for small ball lineup "switch guards" for normal lineups. Your pick and roll defense may not work best if you change everything globally as far as on ball and off ball but that is what you have to live with if you want something quick and dirty. I am not sure Sam is 100% correct on how the pre-rotate works. I think pre-rotate means you pre-rotate to that player you are highlighting.

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                          • Black Bruce Wayne
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 1459

                            #58
                            Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

                            Originally posted by stillfeelme
                            The help defense didn't make sense out of the box. It is not like the Dev's gave us a full glossary or blog on what each setting is supposed to do.

                            I mean they even added more options this year and didn't even explain what they were supposed to do. Now if the defense behaved more of what we expected out of the NBA basketball out of auto then there would have been minimal complaints.

                            So the only thing I think is "broke" is probably auto settings
                            The word broke is a crutch around here. Now saying "I don't know how" is more appropriate than just automatically saying everything is broke.

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                            • EarvGotti
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 2249

                              #59
                              Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

                              Just had the most fun game so far for the year in Play Now Online.

                              I had Pacers vs the Blazers. The rotations of my team were BEAUTIFUL.

                              He ran pick n roll most of the game as he should....but my bigs were able to soft hedge beautifully and stop CJ & Dame from getting open space.

                              Down the stretch he retreated from driving off the pick n roll and hit a stepback instead which gave him a couple big jumpers late in the game. But i just had to adjust with my on ball defense to close out quicker.

                              It was a close game and I won by a game winning 3. But the defense definitely won that game for me. These settings truly work.
                              Lineup:
                              PG) Gary Payton
                              SG) '95-'96 Michael Jordan
                              SF) Sapphire Scottie Pippen
                              PF) '95-'96 Dennis Rodman
                              C) Hakeem Olajuwon

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                              • Steven123
                                Pro
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 761

                                #60
                                Re: The MESS that is 2K17's help defense... How to fix THREAD

                                Thank you Sam! I love you! I saw your video plus your other videos and you absolutely changed the game for me!

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