For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

[Caelumfang]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

Isn't that how all the good sharpshooters in the NBA play though? Reddick and Korver are excellent at being in non stop motion off the ball and running off screens, neither of the two are anything but average athletically.

You mention people complaining about having to guard players running non stop off screens which to me is just good basketball from the offensive player. Having the ability to be in constant motion the way Reddick and Korver are and still be able to shoot through that fatigue is a skill set and there are not many defenders who have that same skill set to harass them throughout the course of the game. So I would have no problem giving them extra stamina to play that way. When I hear a player described as a sharpshooter I imagine an outstanding shooter who needs to do their work off the ball and rely on teammates to find them and put them into a position to succeed.

The way it is set up right now people aren't playing basketball the way a "sharpshooter" would play and thats my main problem with it.

Like I told BluFu, you're right. Let's get this nerf done and change all shots to Shoot Off Dribble once the ball touches the floor, so I can have my Shot Creator ready, and have the first real 'do-it-all' MyPlayer in 2k17. I'm all for it.

[BluFu]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

Like I told BluFu, you're right. Let's get this done, so I can have my Shot Creator ready, and have the first real 'do-it-all' MyPlayer in 2k17. I'm all for it.

Why not just use it now? If it's as good (or better than) the sharpshooter.

[Caelumfang]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

Why not just use it now? If it's as good (or better than) the sharpshooter.

Because Shoot Off Dribble right now only applies to all shots that aren't stand-still shots. Once that change is made, I can put the ball on the floor, sprint around, then fire a stand-still shot with a 90+ rating, with no penalty from my stamina because of HOF Tireless Scorer.

[BluFu]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

Because Shoot Off Dribble right now only applies to all shots that aren't stand-still shots. Once that change is made, I can put the ball on the floor, sprint around, then fire a stand-still shot with a 90+ rating, with no penalty from my stamina because of HOF Tireless Scorer.

So just trigger the shot off dribble animation and get your 90 rating..

[Caelumfang]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

So just trigger the shot off dribble animation and get your 90 rating..

Lol, you go out there and try to shoot those off-balance shots behind the 3-point line outside of Park, and you let me know how those percentages work out for you. The off-balance shots such as stepbacks are harder to time, and harder to get green consistently. Your suggestion means I can now fire off my normal jumper with the same green-shot capability of a Sharpshooter as long as the ball touches the floor.

[ruxpinke]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

I never said that sharpshooters should become solely catch and shoot players, I said they should EXCEL (90+) at the catch and shoot. Any sharpshooter is more than welcome to put the ball on the floor and shoot off the dribble in the 70's, which as I said before is not a death sentence, its just not a SPECIALTY of the sharpshooter.

The point this year to my understanding, was that we were not supposed to be able to create Larry Birds, or Steph Currys. Once in a generation guys who could do all the things you mention. The archetypes were meant to be more one dimensional in specialty. In the case of the sharpshooter that specialty should be catch and shoot. He of course can do other things, but not as well.

[FrequencyVibrations]

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I need to see some videos of guys pulling up from 35 ft in the pro am consistently because I have HOF limitless range and thats not happening for me. Maybe the hash consistently if left wide open but not 35 ft. Meter at 35 shortens to like 1/4 length. Don't think it would let you shoot from there. And definitely not a couple steps over half court. And im speaking of Pro Am. I know range gets crazy in Park though.

I really think ppl are exaggerating so much. Hope 2k doesn't break this game just in the strength of how much these ppl are complaining. I don't make contested leaners like you guys are saying if I put up a bad shot. I rarely take bad shots so i wouldn't really know. But i've guarded plenty of Sharpshooters in Park and i haven't seen these contested shots being made like ppl are talking. Maybe a late close out here and there they might cash but not if you're in their jersey and they get the leaning animation. 159-35 in Park also.

Sharpshooters fatigue goes down pretty quick too so if they're moving around court they are not going to be able to shoot right away or its going to be a miss. Things are not that easy as ppl are making it seem for Sharpshooters. Have to master a jumper also. I've been using the same jumpers since 2k14. Most shooters have jumpshots mastered. And with these meter problems, Very late releases when not very late or meter jumping back to halfway when it reaches end. Everything is not glitter n gold in Shooter Land. Perfect teamwork and IQ is what makes a Sharpshooter work. A lot of ppl don't have Pick dodger either so screens are supposed to be very effective. If your team is not hedging on screens or switching then you should be getting killed.

I rarely dribble with my Sharpshooter though. Im not too much of a dribbling person. But with a boost sharpshooters off the dribble shot and ball control is about 78 n 76 so them hitting off the dribble shots or doing escape dribbles then getting feet set shouldn't be a problem just like Playmakers with sub par 3pts making wide open 3s so if they are gonna touch anything a lot of places are going to be touched.

[Caelumfang]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

I never said that sharpshooters should become solely catch and shoot players, I said they should EXCEL (90+) at the catch and shoot. Any sharpshooter is more than welcome to put the ball on the floor and shoot off the dribble in the 70's, which as I said before is not a death sentence, its just not a SPECIALTY of the sharpshooter.

The point this year to my understanding, was that we were not supposed to be able to create Larry Birds, or Steph Currys. Once in a generation guys who could do all the things you mention. The archetypes were meant to be more one dimensional in specialty. In the case of the sharpshooter that specialty should be catch and shoot. He of course can do other things, but not as well.

Again, you're correct. So limit Sharpshooters to Catch & Shoot specialists, while I can shoot at the same capacity of a Sharpshooter with a Shot Creator as soon as the ball touches the floor, and now also become a Slasher. Sounds ideal to me.

[GradyMac]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

Like I told BluFu, you're right. Let's get this nerf done and change all shots to Shoot Off Dribble once the ball touches the floor, so I can have my Shot Creator ready, and have the first real 'do-it-all' MyPlayer in 2k17. I'm all for it.

Man you love your sharpshooter...in here begging...

If they were balanced you wouldn't face teams of all sharp/stretch players.

[FrequencyVibrations]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

And I wish ppl would stop comparing Myplayers to real life players. Like ppl said that badge combo with dimer+catch n shoot is deadly. Not to add if they are in the corner too. Half the devs never played a game of basketball in their life so its only a certain amount of real this game is going to get and we're going to have to live with that. At the end of the day its a video game and we are going to have to adjust every year.

[Caelumfang]

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Man you love your sharpshooter...in here begging...

If they were balanced you wouldn't face teams of all sharp/stretch players.

I'm not begging, believe me. I'm now all for having all shots use the Shoot Off Dribble rating as soon as the ball hits the floor. That way, I can have a much better Sharpshooter/Slasher blend with Shot Creator. A do-it-all player is just fine in my book.

I'll be able to shoot like a Sharpshooter, and now be able to slash as well.

[GradyMac]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

I'm not begging, believe me. I'm now all for having all shots use the Shoot Off Dribble rating as soon as the ball hits the floor. That way, I can have a much better Sharpshooter/Slasher blend with Shot Creator. A do-it-all player is just fine in my book.

I'll be able to shoot like a Sharpshooter, and now be able to slash as well.

Yeah, we know. I quoted that exact statement. But yet here you are.

[ruxpinke]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

Again, you're correct. So limit Sharpshooters to Catch & Shoot specialists, while I can shoot at the same capacity of a Sharpshooter with a Shot Creator as soon as the ball touches the floor, and now also become a Slasher. Sounds ideal to me.

Whether any of thees archetypes we are discussing like the Shot Creator can ultimately be balanced correctly is obviously a whole other issue.

We are also discussing this in theory, as no changes have been made or announced to nerf or change the sharpshooter.

I think we differ on whats a specialist vs simply being effective. Do you feel you can be an effective shooter off the dribble with a 70 -75 rating? (admittedly i don't know the ratings cap as I do'nt have a sharpshooter).

Like i said before, with my maxed three point rating of 73, i feel I'm effective. I can hit on occasion and at least keep a defensive honest. Would i say threes are my specialty? the thing i can do better than anyone else on the court? Definitely not.

I would not say i'm at all effective shooting off the dribble, and I actively try to avoid that situation. Once i'm on the move, i'm looking for a pass first, to play to what I do feel is my specialty (SF playmaker), if that makes sense.

I appreciate the discussion and hope some Devs look at all sides here, before making any rash decisions. As you are saying, you cant change one thing without it affecting something else.

[Caelumfang]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

Yeah, we know. I quoted that exact statement. But yet here you are.

I'm just pointing out how people aren't thinking about what they're asking for. Now instead of Sharpshooters, who are only good at jumpshots (terrible driving, slowest of the offensive archetypes), now you'll have to deal with a mob of Shot Creators who would be able to fill the role of both Sharpshooter and Slasher, since they'd be great at jumpshots, off balance shots, speed and driving.

[Caelumfang]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

Whether any of thees archetypes we are discussing like the Shot Creator can ultimately be balanced correctly is obviously a whole other issue.

We are also discussing this in theory, as no changes have been made or announced to nerf or change the sharpshooter.

I think we differ on whats a specialist vs simply being effective. Do you feel you can be an effective shooter off the dribble with a 70 -75 rating? (admittedly i don't know the ratings cap as I do'nt have a sharpshooter).

Like i said before, with my maxed three point rating of 73, i feel I'm effective. I can hit on occasion and at least keep a defensive honest. Would i say threes are my specialty? the thing i can do better than anyone else on the court? Definitely not.

I would not say i'm at all effective shooting off the dribble, and I actively try to avoid that situation. Once i'm on the move, i'm looking for a pass first, to play to what I do feel is my specialty (SF playmaker), if that makes sense.

I appreciate the discussion and hope some Devs look at all sides here, before making any rash decisions. As you are saying, you cant change one thing without it affecting something else.

Thing is, the 'solution' that is being suggested literally negates the use of any offensive archetype except Shot Creators. Balance would then be thrown out the window.