For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

[Marty Funkhouser]

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[Chemthethriller]

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I think "open" in 2ks mind should just be smaller.

Wide open shots should drop at a high rate, but "contesting" should happen more if nearby.

Also, not every shooter can run off screens and bang like no issue. Certainly not all game long, someone nearby you should slightly decrease the likely hood of getting a green.

[Mackiaveliko]

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Bro I have a 6'6" Sharpshooter. I think each style has it weakness and benefits. But to say this is OP because you got 90 dropped on you is just bitter. Obviously you didn't make any adjustments and got stomped on.

They are OP. even if you're wide open you shouldn't be hitting all them crazy half court shots. Good defense contest? ah it doesn't matter. OP

[Caelumfang]

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They can make 91 more like 80 . They can take out greens where you have the ball live, they can take out greens where you were recently moving, they can remove illegal picks... there's tons they can do. I think they should look at making 90 3 pt and the badges less effective.

-Smak

1.) Making 91 more like 80 has serious ramifications across all archetypes. 74 becomes 63, etc etc. Doubt anyone would like that once it took effect.

2.) They're not going to remove greens. They can remove them from being 100%, but they're not going to remove greens as a whole if a player gets open. That's just asking for trouble.

3.) Have we not learned our lessons with these badges once they are 'fixed'? They go from being effective to practically useless. There's never a middle ground once badges are patched. 2K's history has taught us that.

[Caelumfang]

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They are OP. even if you're wide open you shouldn't be hitting all them crazy half court shots. Good defense contest? ah it doesn't matter. OP

It's not the sharpshooter for the thousandth time. It's the 'skill-based' shooting mechanic, and 100% greens. Even when they do eventually patch it, Sharpshooters are still going to out-shoot everyone, and the scoring ability from other types will drop exponentially.

Had this discussion earlier with a ton of people, and we agree with Smoove that e-Sports is killing this game. And with the way the game is, they never can and never will strike a balance with the scoring types.

[ViolenceFight]

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1.) Making 91 more like 80 has serious ramifications across all archetypes. 74 becomes 63, etc etc. Doubt anyone would like that once it took effect.

2.) They're not going to remove greens. They can remove them from being 100%, but they're not going to remove greens as a whole if a player gets open. That's just asking for trouble.

3.) Have we not learned our lessons with these badges once they are 'fixed'? They go from being effective to practically useless. There's never a middle ground once badges are patched. 2K's history has taught us that.

You know Mike Wang has gone on record saying he'd like to remove green/perfect release shots from the game, but it might take a couple more releases before it happens. In his developer blog posts back before the game dropped this was mentioned.

Personally I feel like he should. This experiment has run it's course and really hasn't helped the game overall. It just switched the meta focus to be centered around "green releases" more than playing the game, finding a squad with chemistry and running.

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[Caelumfang]

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You know Mike Wang has gone on record saying he'd like to remove green/perfect release shots from the game, but it might take a couple more releases before it happens. In his developer blog posts back before the game dropped this was mentioned.

Personally I feel like he should. This experiment has run it's course and really hasn't helped the game overall. It just switched the meta focus to be centered around "green releases" more than playing the game, finding a squad with chemistry and running.

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If the entire shooting mechanic would go back to what it was like in 2k13/2k14 (minus the random airballs) we wouldn't have this problem. It was people like CashNasty and some other streamers/youtubers that would rant and cry over every missed Excellent A+. That's why we are where we are. A green shot should mean the highest percentage the shot should have of falling should be about 80% to MAYBE 90%. Not this 100% crap, or the 50/50 crap from 2k16.

[ViolenceFight]

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If the entire shooting mechanic would go back to what it was like in 2k13/2k14 (minus the random airballs) we wouldn't have this problem. It was people like CashNasty and some other streamers/youtubers that would rant and cry over every missed Excellent A+. That's why we are where we are. A green shot should mean the highest percentage the shot should have of falling should be about 80% to MAYBE 90%. Not this 100% crap, or the 50/50 crap from 2k16.

Absolutely. I agree with this post. I'd say 60% to 70% in my personal opinion because NO player shoots like that. Period. I was fine missing excellent releases because I've played basketball for awhile. Sometimes you just miss, regardless of shooting mechanics. There's hundreds of tiny things that can influence that.

[ILLSmak]

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1.) Making 91 more like 80 has serious ramifications across all archetypes. 74 becomes 63, etc etc. Doubt anyone would like that once it took effect.

2.) They're not going to remove greens. They can remove them from being 100%, but they're not going to remove greens as a whole if a player gets open. That's just asking for trouble.

3.) Have we not learned our lessons with these badges once they are 'fixed'? They go from being effective to practically useless. There's never a middle ground once badges are patched. 2K's history has taught us that.

I didn't say change anything except the curve at the top. Check how 91 (valued at 80) would interact with the badges. People care about the numbers, but the true value of change is implementation. No other archetype has 80 3 and none of them can get the HoF shooting badges.

Just an idea. Sometimes you have to think outside of the box. That's one thing that I think needs to be done in this situation because every year I've played basketball online, 3 point shooting, especially the run to the corner shooting, has been one of the most powerful things at the highest level. 2k needs to find a way to make shooting happen in a more realistic manner. I'm just giving suggestions. I disagree with your idea that there are only a few ways to fix it, but I do think adjusting ratings other than changing only what is above other archetypes will make it so no other player can hit a shot.

I want to see the day when people run complex sets online and are successful.

Edit: And @ skillbased... it's funny dude can green 3 points but he can't green fts. I think skill based should be in there, but it should be a lot harder. So that only the best people... also would be interesting to have different releases from different points. There are ways to make the game skill based and not 'like this' but I think people are afraid of them.

-Smak

[Leasim96]

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It's obvious that there is a disbalance between offense and defense. I've always felt like offensive players have way more tools in game. I remember in 2k11 people couldn't sprint recklessly - if they did you would get a charge every time. Especially off ball. I liked that. It made people play smarter. Off ball sprinting like maniacs is annoying to me. In this game there are off ball charges but they seem inconsistent. Regardless that was a defensive tool they took away. Fouls to me should happen less often especially with good defensive stats. I see lockdown defenders getting fouls for just putting their hands up. There are more examples like defensive reaction time just feeling slow and sluggish many times which is why sharpshooters have the easy option to take the open shot or pass to a likely open man - as a result of a defender slowly sprinting towards him after a second delay. And hey slow recovery time makes sense in terms of sim. So it has and should have its place. But to me it should be a stat tied into defense. Recovery is not all about speed as it is right now - it's about a smart defender reading a play and being able to react faster than most. In summary in my opinion as it is right now - we don't have enough consistent defensive tools - especially lockdown.

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[Bornindamecca]

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Some terrible D in that vid, though.

[Ownal0t]

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the dude showed him purposely messing up releases and getting rewarded with points and people still defending this lmfao. I'm so tempted to make a sharpshooter and put vc on him when I get home. I'm off for a week so I don't mind grinding.

[abuC]

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Athletic finisher hit 7 threes, saw a glass cleaner go 3/4 from three, the shooting is a joke and needs to be lowered across the board.

[abuC]

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LMAO this is supposed to be an E-Sport?

They're going to let this bs go until it's time to RTTF then they'll change it up because they don't want people to see just how broken the game is just like they did with Breakstarter.

[willd1790]

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Sharpshooters aren't the problem. Everyone has the ability to do what we do, we can just do it from further out. Playmakers and shot creators hit just as many 3s as I do. They are also faster, with playmakers able to get 99 speed with ball at 6'7. Mine is 74 at 6'3. Playmakers also make better slashers than actual slashers with that speed and decent dunking ability. Shot creators can also run around screens and do fading corner 3s. The only difference with sharpshooters is the defense has to prepare before I cross half court Honestly, without the ability to shoot deep, I wouldn't even have a sharpshooter.