Tyler Ulis: Shot-Blocker

**Kaanyr Vhok** · 10-09-2016, 06:10 PM

Re: Tyler Ulis: Shot-Blocker

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The animation exposed the ball.

**jfsolo** · 10-09-2016, 06:19 PM

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I see both sides of the issue. In the vids that we saw it seemed like the animations that played out for the offensive players, set up the 1 in 100 block opportunity for those non shot blockers. If different animations had played out, ones that were more protective of the ball, then fouls or whiffs should definitely have occurred.

I also get the feeling that in User vs User games, ratings are definitely ignored a lot of the time in order to facilitate User agency. Animations play out that allow for improbable User success.

Many User players like it that way, where their stick skills can override the ratings of various players to a large degree. This creates an irreconcilable ideological schism between those players and players who want ratings and traits, and solid decision making of course, to be the driving force in producing the outcome for most plays.

**ZB9** · 10-09-2016, 06:25 PM

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I remember back in 2011 when Dirk Nowitzki had an above the rim block on Chris Bosh and another block on Lebron James...

such anomalies happen irl basketball

Dirk Nowitzki: shot blocker
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**jinntu** · 10-09-2016, 06:29 PM

Re: Tyler Ulis: Shot-Blocker

The reason they're saying you're over reacting is because you're acting like he should never get a block under any circumstances ever. To counter that you've been shown that he has done that EXACT block before.

Showing one instance from this player of you getting blocked is exactly same as showing a highlight reel of him performing the same block. It's a single act taken within a vacuum. It proves that he can perform the block irl and in the game and in no way proves or disproves that there's an issues with the actual blocking mechanics.

The real questions are did he finish this game with an abnormal number of blocks? Like 7 blocks or something?

Or was this his only block that game? And do you have data on how many blocks he's getting over a number of games you've played?

Because without an actual statistically valid amount of games with him played, say the same amount he played in college, you can't prove that over the same amount of games he played in college he wouldn't only get 9 blocks total like he did in college. The other thing to consider is that anomalies occur irl and in the game. He COULD get 3-4 blocks irl or in the game depending on how situations fall. It's about does it happen consistently.

That's why they're saying you're over reacting. You're taking a single instance of him doing something that we can show you the real life guy CAN do and acting like that he does it all the time without proving it. If you can prove it he does that all the time then we can begin to discuss the validity of there being an issue with blocking.

**Kushmir** · 10-09-2016, 07:18 PM

Re: Tyler Ulis: Shot-Blocker

Originally posted by jinntu

The reason they're saying you're over reacting is because you're acting like he should never get a block under any circumstances ever. To counter that you've been shown that he has done that EXACT block before.

Showing one instance from this player of you getting blocked is exactly same as showing a highlight reel of him performing the same block. It's a single act taken within a vacuum. It proves that he can perform the block irl and in the game and in no way proves or disproves that there's an issues with the actual blocking mechanics.

The real questions are did he finish this game with an abnormal number of blocks? Like 7 blocks or something?

Or was this his only block that game? And do you have data on how many blocks he's getting over a number of games you've played?

Because without an actual statistically valid amount of games with him played, say the same amount he played in college, you can't prove that over the same amount of games he played in college he wouldn't only get 9 blocks total like he did in college. The other thing to consider is that anomalies occur irl and in the game. He COULD get 3-4 blocks irl or in the game depending on how situations fall. It's about does it happen consistently.

That's why they're saying you're over reacting. You're taking a single instance of him doing something that we can show you the real life guy CAN do and acting like that he does it all the time without proving it. If you can prove it he does that all the time then we can begin to discuss the validity of there being an issue with blocking.

Nope. Actually i've said countless times that i'm fine with him getting blocks as long as the % are skewed to him being the least likely person to do it in the league (which is accurate as his block rating in the lowest in 2K17)...as long as the outcomes generate a foul or whiff in the vast majority of instances i'm cool.

The problem is they don't...

As Jfsolo pointed out: Online? This breaks the game. If a guy can get Curry and not be punished for playing him at the 4 and Thompson at the 5? He'll do it.

That punishment is block attempts skewed far in favor of fouls or whiffs (among other things). If non-shot blockers are effective at all at getting a decent amount of blocks they can protect the rim (a skill-set they dont have) while still possessing the speed/shooting skills they actually do. Most decent people who play online will tell you how important counters/balance is. Its everything....

**ZB9** · 10-09-2016, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by Kushmir

As Jfsolo pointed out online this breaks the game. If a guy can get Curry and not be punished for playing him at the 4 and Thompson at the 5? He'll do it.

That punishment is block attempts skewed far in favor of fouls or whiffs. If non-shot blockers are effective at all at getting a decent amount of blocks they can protect the rim (a skill-set they dont have) while still possessing the speed/shooting skill they actually do. Most decent people who play online will tell you how important counters/balance is. Its everything....

LOL what? You will most certainly get heavily punished if you put Curry at the 4 and/or Thompson at the 5.

I wish someone would try that against me.

**ojandpizza** · 10-09-2016, 09:56 PM

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Mugsy Bogues once blocked Pat Ewing... it happens. He even had 39 blocks in his career.

Also why should it automatically be a foul 15/20 shot attempts anyways? More often than not small guards aren't called for fouls. They are good at avoiding them, and typically the player the are defending is big enough to absorb contact and the refs allow a play on.

But no, no player should just be given automatic fouls for contesting shots. Ulis only averaged 2 fouls per 40 minutes in college. He shouldn't be given 15 fouls per every 20 shot defenses.. how would that be realistic?

You still don't think you sound ridiculous?

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**The 24th Letter** · 10-09-2016, 10:18 PM

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My oppoenents have been about 90% GSW in these last two tiers...I cant say I have seen one put Curry at the 4.

When LMA or Gasol get Curry on them they back him down and go straight into a dunk animation.

Durant barely survives defensively at the 4 TBH...

**jinntu** · 10-10-2016, 01:30 AM

Re: Tyler Ulis: Shot-Blocker

Originally posted by Kushmir

Nope. Actually i've said countless times that i'm fine with him getting blocks as long as the % are skewed to him being the least likely person to do it in the league (which is accurate as his block rating in the lowest in 2K17)...as long as the outcomes generate a foul or whiff in the vast majority of instances i'm cool.

The problem is they don't...

As Jfsolo pointed out: Online? This breaks the game. If a guy can get Curry and not be punished for playing him at the 4 and Thompson at the 5? He'll do it.

That punishment is block attempts skewed far in favor of fouls or whiffs (among other things). If non-shot blockers are effective at all at getting a decent amount of blocks they can protect the rim (a skill-set they dont have) while still possessing the speed/shooting skills they actually do. Most decent people who play online will tell you how important counters/balance is. Its everything....

What I'm saying is you haven't provided anything other than hyperbole. You haven't shown in any instance that this is the case, that the guys with low block ratings are somehow superior rim defenders or that somehow they're unusually effective at defending attacks on the rim. You gave us clips of guards with low block ratings making blocks that they've made in real life. You've only given examples in a vacuum. You have in no instance shown that anything is out of the ordinary. Just saying "well it is because I'm saying it is" doesn't prove anything...Like I said before single clips without some actual evidence to show that they're getting blocks at an unusual rate doesn't actually prove anything.

**Kushmir** · 10-10-2016, 06:52 AM

Re: Tyler Ulis: Shot-Blocker

Originally posted by jinntu

What I'm saying is you haven't provided anything other than hyperbole. You haven't shown in any instance that this is the case, that the guys with low block ratings are somehow superior rim defenders or that somehow they're unusually effective at defending attacks on the rim. You gave us clips of guards with low block ratings making blocks that they've made in real life. You've only given examples in a vacuum. You have in no instance shown that anything is out of the ordinary. Just saying "well it is because I'm saying it is" doesn't prove anything...Like I said before single clips without some actual evidence to show that they're getting blocks at an unusual rate doesn't actually prove anything.

You may want to look at the thread again...I love that in the "pics or it didnt happen" era now its "no, no..you need 20 examples of the guy doing it" No...I don't. In this thread there's two videos of Lin blocking 6'11 Noel and Calderon blocking 6'8 Thompson on an a layup on the other side of the rim--it happens too often, I don't stop gameplay anymore when it happens because I have my examples.

For kicks here's Parker blocking Okafor in 2K16 to show that aspect of gameplay is unchanged. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aharF6yxlQ

For reference I came out very early last year re: equal opportunity chase-down blocks while some of the same people did their standard "you have to (insert silly tactic here) better"...and we know how that ended. http://spgmg.blogspot.com/2015/10/no...none.html#more

Sorry this isn't your standard "whining scrub isn't good at the game" post....i'm more than decent as evidenced by my record online (all with Philly) and the OSer's who i've actually played.

**laoala** · 10-10-2016, 08:25 AM

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Spoiler

you've posted two garbage examples of your point and you've attempted to belittle and ad-hominem anybody who says anything contrary to your point.

just shut up.

DC · 10-10-2016, 09:03 AM

Re: Tyler Ulis: Shot-Blocker

Of course Dakkon Dudley comes in here to defend Tyler Ulis...........

Shameful!

**Kushmir** · 10-10-2016, 12:42 PM

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Right? I saw he was the UK mascot and died laughing. just lol.

**BluFu** · 10-10-2016, 01:13 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt5pOPn_0Ik

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Where's the "If This Happened In The NBA..." thread when you need it

Nate Robinson career blocks per 100 poss: 0.2

In other words, **** happens.

**mongo13clikke** · 10-10-2016, 01:22 PM

Re: Tyler Ulis: Shot-Blocker

Originally posted by BluFu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt5pOPn_0Ik

Aahahaaha best response ever...

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