Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

[BluFu]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

It's not a bug. It's Curry trying to pick him up because Pachulia hasnt.

What do you mean? Pachulia was the only one contesting the shot.

[emmanuelk1]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

I really can't believe the defense 2k receive's

Transition D is broken since last year

Defenders are clueless on guarding their players and people just sam half-court inbound passes like last year

Your ONLY chance is to switch to your big and try to reach back to your defense and try to stop the easy dunk.

The above video by Hustle is a perfect example of what is wrong in 2k defense

Curry has to guard a player. His defensive assignment is Livingston. For an unknown reason he goes all the way back to the bench, completely unaware where his defensive assignment is.

It is as clear as it gets. Yet a lot of you start finding excuses for 2k and blaming the user.

By the way, how do you know that the arrow shows that Pachulia should be guarding Livingston and not Varejao?
Livingston defended by Pachulia would make not sense at all, plus the arrow would show this way in any case as Varejao is right behind Livingston

Again, this is the second year in a row that players online abuse halfcourt inbound

But yes, the problem is Hustle that switched to his big to try to avoid getting dunked for the 20th time in a game

that is the problem. and not that the 2k defence is broken, just switch to pg directly once the cpu inbound how hard is that. and if you worried that the cpu will pass to the baseline cheese. just stay in the middle of the court to avoid that. still not a big deal to be a thread just skill problem.

[BluFu]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

that is the problem. and not that the 2k defence is broken , just switch to pg directly once the cpu inbound how hard is that. and if you worried that the cpu will pass to the baseline cheese. just stay in the middle of the court to avoid that. still not a big deal to be a thread just skill problem.

He probably wouldn't have had to switch on to Pachulia if the interior defense was any good in this game..

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

What do you mean? Pachulia was the only one contesting the shot.

He let Livingston drive right in for the lay up attempt.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

I can only speak for myself...I'm not defending 2k's AI off ball logic at all...anyone who looks at the PNO thread knows my issues are well documented. I do know I never have the seas part quite like that though....and I have never had any shame in posting videos to back up my claims. I didn't say Curry made the correct read, or even that anyone did anything wrong......just noting the chain reaction when backing in that deep with your center. The conversation doesn't have to devolve into 'Your defending 2k!' every time a discussion is had. It's tiring.

[Crossover1]

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Lol at the people really defending this nonsense even with proof from Hustle. And to say its a user/skill problem, I'd bet he beats any of you guys claiming such crap SMH.

You do know that even if he does control Curry it doesn't mean the problem is solved. I'm pretty sure he could've been blown by or a lead pass to the center was the next thing coming if plan A didn't work out for dude.

What he did was the safest thing which was to contest the layup with his big. Those type of users are very predictable but some games these guys are persistent and have success with cheap tactics like these.

[Baebae32]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

AI guards getting confused on who to guard immediately after scoring a bucket is not realistic. No way should Steph Curry be guarding the sideline again directly after a made bucket. Think a big gripe with 2K defense is that the breakdowns happen too early in the shotclock too often. Once the defense is set in the half court then breaking it down in less than 2 passes (on a regular basis) is not realistic. The best offensive teams break the defense down with quick purposeful passes.

[emmanuelk1]

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Lol at the people really defending this nonsense even with proof from Hustle. And to say its a user/skill problem, I'd bet he beats any of you guys claiming such crap SMH.

You do know that even if he does control Curry it doesn't mean the problem is solved. I'm pretty sure he could've been blown by or a lead pass to the center was the next thing coming if plan A didn't work out for dude.

What he did was the safest thing which was to contest the layup with his big. Those type of users are very predictable but some games these guys are persistent and have success with cheap tactics like these.

that is why its skill based not 2k problem, problem like this you don't have to blame 2k every time if you don't know how to strategise. that proof you saying don't happen to me, why??? coz i found out that if your in PG postion directly and waiting in the middle of the free throw line while the CPU inbound they cannot do anything but set up first. Not depending 2k but this type of complaint is your own problem.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

At the risk of being seeing as an apologist, here is an example of a really effective CPU double team. Im not claiming doubles or rotations are perfect. But here is an example (among many I see) that was good.

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[BluFu]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

He let Livingston drive right in for the lay up attempt.

Again, are you talking about Pachulia or just the user in general? Because it's definitely not Zaza's primary responsibility to stop Livingston from driving to the paint. "Your big man is your *last* line of defense" as my coach used to always tell me.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

Again, are you talking about Pachulia or just the user in general? Because it's definitely not Zaza's primary responsibility to stop Livingston from driving to the paint. "Your big man is your *last* line of defense" as my coach used to always tell me.

If you look at Zaza, the 'who to guard' arrow is clearly facing Livingston from the very start of the play.

[Baebae32]

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If you look at Zaza, the 'who to guard' arrow is clearly facing Livingston from the very start of the play.

i think that is more likely that the arrow was pointing at varejao

[Themayorofawsometown]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

In the nba, I never seen a center leaving their man to help a point guard on the perimeter with his assignment, right after you picked their dribble up! That's what 2k17 is about. Well before the patch. I don't see it that much no more, I see proper breakdowns in rotations. So yes they improved the ai defense

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[BluFu]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

If you look at Zaza, the 'who to guard' arrow is clearly facing Livingston from the very start of the play.

So what exactly are you arguing? That still isn't the right matchup in that situation.. no big man is asked to step out and defend a perimeter player unless it's on a designed switch. Zaza was the only player in the right position on that play and it's his fault? I'm lost.

[MadManCometh]

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It's not a wrong assignment. Curry just spazzes out and by the time he figures out who he should be guarding it's too late. Notice the defender in the corner behind Curry doesn't suddenly sprint to pick up the PG.

You are 100% correct and I'm not sure why anyone would attempt to even argue against this. The video speaks for itself. The sad part is that this type of behavior happens literally all the time. Curry is obviously supposed to be guarding Livingston. Thats clear. However, he wanders off near the sideline and guards no one, thus giving Livingston a free lane to enter the paint and break down the defense for an easy 2. There is no settings to fix this. There is noting the user can do to fix this. It's broken and the devs haven't addressed this or have yet to speak on this. It's unacceptable. How do u release a patch and not address this is beyond silly. This is a core problem within the game. And to not fix this? THEN what's the point of a patch? IF u don't fix this then why fix anything????? You can release 50 patches, but if u don't address this probelm It DOES NOT MATTER! The game will remain broken. To be a dev and not fix this Is insane. WHy? All because the community is not in an uproar? It takes some longer to realize what's really going on in this game. AND the community doesn't or shouldn't have to demand a fix to fix it. We deserve better.

And people think shooting is the problem. LOL its not the shooting, it's the defense that's killing this game right now.