Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

[MadManCometh]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

that is the problem. and not that the 2k defence is broken, just switch to pg directly once the cpu inbound how hard is that. and if you worried that the cpu will pass to the baseline cheese. just stay in the middle of the court to avoid that. still not a big deal to be a thread just skill problem.

This is why this garbage is not fixed. Because ppl like u play it off like its not a big deal, and the devs sit back and say, " well their not complaining to much so we can work on something else ". There is no reason why Curry is so out of position, NONE!!!!. AND this is just and example. All 5 players do this same type of behavior, it's in the coding. It can be the PG out of position on one play and the PF the next. You can only control one player at a time so controlling PG/Curry and holding him in position does not fix the issue. THIS is a fundamental problem. Next time down court it may be your SF that wanders off. U cannot condone this garbage. U can't play devils advocate here. It's a programming issue and needs fixed, QUICK!!!!

[Smirkin Dirk]

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This is why this garbage is not fixed. Because ppl like u play it off like its not a big deal, and the devs sit back and say, " well their not complaining to much so we can work on something else ". There is no reason why Curry is so out of position, NONE!!!!. AND this is just and example. All 5 players do this same type of behavior, it's in the coding. It can be the PG out of position on one play and the PF the next. You can only control one player at a time so controlling PG/Curry and holding him in position does not fix the issue. THIS is a fundamental problem. Next time down court it may be your SF that wanders off. U cannot condone this garbage. U can't play devils advocate here. It's a programming issue and needs fixed, QUICK!!!!

Ease up. People are allowed to disagree with your opinion.

If this is in fact a bug (which many people disagree with regardless of how many capitalised words yo use) I certainly don't see it often. Do you?

[MadManCometh]

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Ease up. People are allowed to disagree with your opinion.

If this is in fact a bug (which many people disagree with regardless of how many capitalised words yo use) I certainly don't see it often. Do you?

If it's not a bug then what is it? CURRY just being stupid ?
I've played over 300 games online . I only play online and I see it ALL THE TIME!!!! I literally have to play on ball with all 5 defenders throughout a possession just to try and keep my men in proper position. Sometimes I switch in time to prevent the mishap, but often times not. Especifically when there are those that know of the problem and turbo down court every play.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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If it's not a bug then what is it? CURRY just being stupid ?
I've played over 300 games online . I only play online and I see it ALL THE TIME!!!! I literally have to play on ball with all 5 defenders throughout a possession just to try and keep my men in proper position. Sometimes I switch in time to prevent the mishap, but often times not. Especifically when there are those that know of the problem and turbo down court every play.

Its already been explained. Not in caps though.

[MadManCometh]

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@Smirkin Dirk, If u don't see it often it's probably because u don't play online often. Or, when it happens you're unable to know what happened and why a player was open and think nothing of it.
Even in the vid, it was apparent what happened and it seem like it took awhile for u to even understand what happened. U seemed to think that Zaza was the problem, lol. So that explains why u seem to think it doesn't happen often.

[Hustle Westbrook]

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Ease up. People are allowed to disagree with your opinion.

If this is in fact a bug (which many people disagree with regardless of how many capitalised words yo use) I certainly don't see it often. Do you?

I see it every game, multiple times. Players seem to constantly be out of position after the ball gets inbound and this happens at the start of quarters as well.

[BegBy]

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I see it every game, multiple times. Players seem to constantly be out of position after the ball gets inbound and this happens at the start of quarters as well.

I only offline vs the cpu and I see it and similar very often. It's ridiculous.

Good thing there's time and effort being spent on new park celebration animations. Who am I kidding - from what I've read in other threads guys still can't get games in online without being dc'd, so it's not like they actually get to see these dances anyway.

Kinda makes you wonder what it is they're really doing with their time...

[kabamaru]

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Lol in EVERY online game for the last 2 years, the center that wins the jump-ball, will run under the opponent's basket, receive a pass and dunk while you desperately want ANY of your player to close out to a player underneath your basket

Literally this is the first basket in EVERY game I play, no matter if I win, or lose the jumpball.

Defenders are unaware of their positioning. It looks like they are set up to first go to a specific position and then search for their assignment

[emmanuelk1]

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If it's not a bug then what is it? CURRY just being stupid ?
I've played over 300 games online . I only play online and I see it ALL THE TIME!!!! I literally have to play on ball with all 5 defenders throughout a possession just to try and keep my men in proper position. Sometimes I switch in time to prevent the mishap, but often times not. Especifically when there are those that know of the problem and turbo down court every play.

Chill man Curry's not being stupid, you just don't know how to play well its a game that YOU have to control not ai to help you all the time. you must be a sore loser huh and its okay you just need to practice more.

[kabamaru]

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Chill man Curry's not being stupid, you just don't know how to play well its a game that YOU have to control not ai to help you all the time. you must be a sore loser huh and its okay you just need to practice more.

Right, practiing more will stop any of the 4 CPU controlled CPU players to take a walk towards the stands or the bench.

[bls]

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That particular clip was caused by Zaza backing that far into the paint...

Curry picks up the first man he see's open. Which is bad logic, but I get why it happened.

You can see how early the 'Who to guard' arrow starts pointing from Zaza to Curry that the rotations are jacked up as a result.

I play on broadcast' half the time where I cant even see the PG until my opponent crosses half court and I cant say I ever really see the floodgates open to that extent on a consistent basis.

These defensive problems weren't nearly as bad as on last gen as they are now so I can't really go with that. The guy taking the ball out was Zaza's man. Livingston was who Curry should have been guarding, the man he picked up was already accounted for, Curry needed to be up at the 3pt line at least, to pick up Livingston.

Like I said, I can honestly say I've not had as nearly the amount of frustration defensively in last gen 2k as I've had in 2k16 or 17. That's just from my experiences.


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[The 24th Letter]

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These defensive problems weren't nearly as bad as on last gen as they are now so I can't really go with that. The guy taking the ball out was Zaza's man. Livingston was who Curry should have been guarding, the man he picked up was already accounted for, Curry needed to be up at the 3pt line at least, to pick up Livingston.

Like I said, I can honestly say I've not had as nearly the amount of frustration defensively in last gen 2k as I've had in 2k16 or 17. That's just from my experiences.


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Not sure if you meant to quote me but I didnt say anything about last gen at all, lol. I do agree though, there werent this many defensive recognition issues back then...though last gen wasnt roses either-but thats a different thread.

Again, my post wasnt saying HW was at fault, or that the CPU responded correctly....it was more about why I felt what happened, happened...and I still feel that way.

[dramachild11]

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i cant and wont argue against people who show clips of defenders running across the court to double team someone while they leave their man open for a corner three or defenders running into the baseline crowd to guard the popcorn delivery man, those are obvious glitches or completely inept programming to keep that from happening at all.... what i'm interested in is the opinion of people who accept the premise that IRL the majority of made baskets is the result of a bad rotation or missed assignment (doubling or digging down one pass away from a shooter, simply not following what are essentially POE's, etc.), if you accept that logic do you apply that to your critique of this game's defensive lapses? Again I'm not disputing the stuff that you wont ever see in a real NBA game but true missed assignments or rotations seem to happen more often

[Peninc]

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I don't have a problem with "blown" rotations from time to time, as the defensive settings can fix most of those problems.

My problem is something very very basic. The defenders CONSTANTLY do not follow the most fundamental, principle rule of defense: Stay BETWEEN your man and the basket. This is allowing too many bailout offensive rebounds and cuts to the basket leading to easy lay-ups and dunks.

Exactly. In basketball to get into the paint you have to fight for position. In this game the paint is wide open, especially when CPU defenders decide to back all the way off and go hang with the cameramen. How can they not see these glaring issues when they play the game themselves?

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[Comduklakis]

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post patch 1.05, my observation on D is that the AI continues to really struggle with who to pick up on D. At least 5 times that I caught (and I"m sure more) in a offline my league game I played, I just had to shake my head at the nonsensical choice one of my AI defenders made in who to guard VERY EARLY in the play after a made basket.

Literally no reason they couldn't find their normal man, the CPU was not breaking, was not rushing up the court, yet for example my 4 man decides it is imperative he grab their 2 guard, of course leaving everyone scrambling, mismatches all over the place, and the middle wide open as the 5 man then runs to pick up the their 4 man.

The screening problem seems lessened but the built in choices the AI makes are just illogical and makes it very difficult to play smart D as you madly switch to try and create some semblance of a normal defense.