Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

[VAWereWolf65]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

I swear you people act like it's so cut and dry.. Hur hur play defense hur hur.. Having every single person on the court be able to shoot means that you're not allowed to help off of non-shooters for any reason, which is a staple of basketball.. Leaving open non-shooters to help on drives. Not sure why that even has to be explained to you. The way the game is when the shooting is super high means you aren't able to help off of your man for any reason because you'll get torched just because you made the right decision to help on the drive instead of having to face guard the damn glass cleaner..

First of all, a 55 open three pointer isn't really a "non shooter"

Second off, I don't know what game modes you play, but i'm talking about Park and ProAm. MyPark is simply man to man stick to your person and unless you're playing ProAm with a bunch of people you know who understand basketball and you have a way to be constantly communicating with them, ProAm is also mostly Man to man. Stick to your person and if someone gets forgotten and left open, so be it. That's basketball.

If you leave Larry Nance Jr. open in the corner, there's a pretty damn good chance he could make that shot. Is it his go to shot? No. Is it a consistent shot for him? Definitely not.

But can he make it? Yes.

Also, You guys do realize that there are very, very few NBA guards (if any) who simply can't shoot at all

[VAWereWolf65]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

It's in the title of the damn game.

Go play Call of Duty dude, seriously.

Oh so i guess that makes NBA Jam a realistic basketball game too?

[E The Rhymer]

Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

First of all, a 55 open three pointer isn't really a "non shooter"

Second off, I don't know what game modes you play, but i'm talking about Park and ProAm. MyPark is simply man to man stick to your person and unless you're playing ProAm with a bunch of people you know who understand basketball and you have a way to be constantly communicating with them, ProAm is also mostly Man to man. Stick to your person and if someone gets forgotten and left open, so be it. That's basketball.

If you leave Larry Nance Jr. open in the corner, there's a pretty damn good chance he could make that shot. Is it his go to shot? No. Is it a consistent shot for him? Definitely not.

But can he make it? Yes.

Also, You guys do realize that there are very, very few NBA guards (if any) who simply can't shoot at all

Doesn't matter how man NBA guards can shoot but how many guys with 60 or less three shoot better than 30% cause I'm guessing it's none... also a 55 is most defiantly a non shooter or if you prefer we can just say trash...


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[Gosens6]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Oh so i guess that makes NBA Jam a realistic basketball game too?

No, but NBA Jam markets itself as an arcade game, always have. NBA 2K markets themselves as the #1 basketball simulation on the planet..

If that's how you market your game, it should be that.

Now don't get me wrong, 2K17 isn't a terrible game by any means, but it's not up to the standard in which 2K basketball usually releases their games.

Based on a comment by Mike Wang earlier in the thread, I think he has something in store for 2K18 where he can separate gameplay settings across all modes. This is what the community desperately needs.

[VAWereWolf65]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

No, but NBA Jam markets itself as an arcade game, always have. NBA 2K markets themselves as the #1 basketball simulation on the planet..

If that's how you market your game, it should be that.

Now don't get me wrong, 2K17 isn't a terrible game by any means, but it's not up to the standard in which 2K basketball usually releases their games.

Based on a comment by Mike Wang earlier in the thread, I think he has something in store for 2K18 where he can separate gameplay settings across all modes. This is what the community desperately needs.

I agree with everything you just said and that's what i've been trying to say this whole time.

It's supposed to play like the #1 simulation basketball game on the planet, but this year, it simply doesn't

[VAWereWolf65]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Doesn't matter how man NBA guards can shoot but how many guys with 60 or less three shoot better than 30% cause I'm guessing it's none... also a 55 is most defiantly a non shooter or if you prefer we can just say trash...


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A 34 three is trash. A 55 three is a big difference from a 34.

I'm not arguing that shooting is still too hard. I think people who say shooting is too hard right now are being ridiculous. I'm saying that I think shooting is it a good enough place right now and that it needs to be left alone for the rest of the year

[DakkoN]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

First of all, a 55 open three pointer isn't really a "non shooter"

Not sure if serious. At this point it really feels like trolling.

Here are some other similar rated shooters in the game along with their percentage from 3 that season.

55 - Patrick Ewing (28.6%, 16.5% Career
55 - Charles Oakley (25.0%)
55 - Eric Snow (0.0% that season, 20.9% Career)
57 - Doc Rivers (0.0% that season, 26.6% Career)
57 - Rondae Hollis Jefferson (28.6%)
57 - Avery Johnson (15.4%)
58 - Chris Birdman Andersen
59 - Michael Carter Williams (27.3%)
60 - Tony Allen
60 - '85-86 Spud Webb (18.2%)
60 - Nene (0.0%, Career 10.3%)
60 - Derrick Rose (29.3%)
60 - '86-'87 AC Green (0.0% that season)
60 - Zach Randolph (Career 26.0%)
60 - '85-86 Michael Jordan (16.7%)
60 - '00-01 George Lynch (26.3%)
60 - '85-86 Dennis Johnson (14.3%)

So those guys aren't non-shooters? Did I miss the part where Avery Johnson was Steph Curry and Nene was Dirk Nowitzki?

Second off, I don't know what game modes you play, but i'm talking about Park and ProAm. MyPark is simply man to man stick to your person and unless you're playing ProAm with a bunch of people you know who understand basketball and you have a way to be constantly communicating with them, ProAm is also mostly Man to man. Stick to your person and if someone gets forgotten and left open, so be it. That's basketball.

I only talk about Pro-Am because Park is trash. I don't know how any of that matters in regards to what I said about helping off of non-shooters. You still help off on drives in man defense.. You help off on drives in zone defense. What does Pro-Am being man to man have anything to do with anything? Also while we're at it, I don't know what Pro-Am you've been playing, but 99% of all top teams run zone. Also love how you throw in the "that's basketball" at the end, but ignoring the fact that vary degrees of help defense based on your main cover (which is what my original post was about in the first place), is also basketball.

[VAWereWolf65]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Not sure if serious. At this point it really feels like trolling.

Here are some other similar rated shooters in the game along with their percentage from 3 that season.

55 - Patrick Ewing (28.6%, 16.5% Career
55 - Charles Oakley (25.0%)
55 - Eric Snow (0.0% that season, 20.9% Career)
57 - Doc Rivers (0.0% that season, 26.6% Career)
57 - Rondae Hollis Jefferson (28.6%)
57 - Avery Johnson (15.4%)
58 - Chris Birdman Andersen
59 - Michael Carter Williams (27.3%)
60 - Tony Allen
60 - '85-86 Spud Webb (18.2%)
60 - Nene (0.0%, Career 10.3%)
60 - Derrick Rose (29.3%)
60 - '86-'87 AC Green (0.0% that season)
60 - Zach Randolph (Career 26.0%)
60 - '85-86 Michael Jordan (16.7%)
60 - '00-01 George Lynch (26.3%)
60 - '85-86 Dennis Johnson (14.3%)

So those guys aren't non-shooters? Did I miss the part where Avery Johnson was Steph Curry and Nene was Dirk Nowitzki?



I only talk about Pro-Am because Park is trash. I don't know how any of that matters in regards to what I said about helping off of non-shooters. You still help off on drives in man defense.. You help off on drives in zone defense. What does Pro-Am being man to man have anything to do with anything? Also while we're at it, I don't know what Pro-Am you've been playing, but 99% of all top teams run zone. Also love how you throw in the "that's basketball" at the end, but ignoring the fact that vary degrees of help defense based on your main cover (which is what my original post was about in the first place), is also basketball.

Where did you find these ratings? I wouldn't trust any MyTeam cards if that's where you got them from. The fact that one of Westbrooks cards has a 95 three should say it all

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

First of all, a 55 open three pointer isn't really a "non shooter"

Come on man...



A 55 rating is barely a 20 3-point percent shooter. That's a textbook definition of a "non-shooter."

[Korrupted]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Meh at the shooting sliders right now. Felt kinda pointless having my Sharp out there so switched back to my Point Forward. Have to be more versatile with the current sliders. I seen Sharps shooting 30% sometimes worse.

[Jesus_Swagglesworth]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Here's an easy pro-am solution for 2k18:

Positions PG/SG/SF are all viable shooters despite archetype. The extent of how viable they are is decided by archetype.

PF/C are not viable shooters unless they are stretch archetype.

Any lineup you can devise from this formula has strengths, weaknesses, and will mimic modern day NBA lineups.

I predict the majority of try-hard lineups would be 4 smalls and 1 goon/glass big... Just like the majority of lineups in modern day NBA.

[jk31]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Come on man...



A 55 rating is barely a 20 3-point percent shooter. That's a textbook definition of a "non-shooter."

Interesting picture! Always asked myself, what 2k intends with their 3pt ratings. Where did you get those numbers from?

[VAWereWolf65]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Come on man...



A 55 rating is barely a 20 3-point percent shooter. That's a textbook definition of a "non-shooter."

I probably should have worded my statement a little better.

When i'm talking about a Non-Shooter, that typically means i'm thinking of someone like Shaun Livingston or Deandre Jordan.

Someone who can't shoot as opposed to someone who just isn't good at shooting. Of course now I understand what you guys are saying about how a 55 is a non shooter, But guys like DeAndre and Livingston aren't even 55 shooters, there most likely a 25 when it comes to three pointers.

[JohnTaylor]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Interesting picture! Always asked myself, what 2k intends with their 3pt ratings. Where did you get those numbers from?

Those are 2k16 and when greens from downtown wasn't automatic as 2k15/17 100.

[de5m0n]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Here's an easy pro-am solution for 2k18:

Positions PG/SG/SF are all viable shooters despite archetype. The extent of how viable they are is decided by archetype.

PF/C are not viable shooters unless they are stretch archetype.

Any lineup you can devise from this formula has strengths, weaknesses, and will mimic modern day NBA lineups.

I predict the majority of try-hard lineups would be 4 smalls and 1 goon/glass big... Just like the majority of lineups in modern day NBA.

Thats how it is now. 4 midgets and glass cleaner is typical.