Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

[Korrupted]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Was anybody not happy with the PRO AM shooting sliders in 2k16? I felt it was perfect. I wish 2k could revert back to it but then again the archetypes has changed the game this year...not sure if it would work.

[Reggie5489]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

All these shooting chwnges affecting offline play. I gave up on online play because brick city, at least keep offline decent smh

[NYCDaFuture]

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Just amazed in how they patched this game up with shooting etc in may. Have alot of gamers in my group who got turned off n stopped playing 2k. Guess alot will be back when 2k18 come out. Next time 2k changes things do it in like aug if u want to test stuff for the next game..

[EveretteWarren]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

By the numbers, that shouldn't be the case. If you're a frame early or a frame late off the perfect window, should be the exact same %


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Why does the hands down man down rule not apply in the shooting? I miss shots where even if the defenders hands are down, I still miss and get bad shot selection (sharpshooter). Even sometimes when the defender is in the vicinity, and I take a good shot, I still miss. (And get bad shot selection) which kills my grade.

[DakkoN]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Where did you find these ratings? I wouldn't trust any MyTeam cards if that's where you got them from. The fact that one of Westbrooks cards has a 95 three should say it all

What do you mean where did I find these ratings? Roster editor, create roster, current roster. Sort all NBA players by 3pt rating.

[Jesus_Swagglesworth]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Thats how it is now. 4 midgets and glass cleaner is typical.

Typical but not necessary. Played some top 10 ranked teams with multiple paint/glass bigs and nobody ever missed. LDD's should be allowed to shoot tho

[CBAT]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Why does the hands down man down rule not apply in the shooting? I miss shots where even if the defenders hands are down, I still miss and get bad shot selection (sharpshooter). Even sometimes when the defender is in the vicinity, and I take a good shot, I still miss. (And get bad shot selection) which kills my grade.

Agreed. A sliding scale would be helpful. If a player is in the vicinity, it can effect your shot, but these are NBA players, if you don't close out and put a hand up, it is not going to have much of an impact on their success rate, nor is it a "bad shot."

Just as an example with the release and player rating being equal:
60% Wide open
50% Defender in vicinity
40% Defender close without hand up
30% Defender in vicinity with hand up
20% Defender close with hand up
<0% Blocked shot

And then obviously some players shoot better than others with a hand in their face. For example, Demar Derozen doesn't need much space to shoot a long fadeaway 2, therefore his % should be higher with a defender on him.

[Man2ManD]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

Why does the hands down man down rule not apply in the shooting? I miss shots where even if the defenders hands are down, I still miss and get bad shot selection (sharpshooter). Even sometimes when the defender is in the vicinity, and I take a good shot, I still miss. (And get bad shot selection) which kills my grade.

So much this. I'm sick of watching NBA players hit shots with their defenders pretty close. Yet I try to do the same in 2k and it's always a brick/bad shot.

I would remove the automatic shot contest when holding LT. Force people to hold up on the right stick if they want to contest the shot.

It would be nice since it will really show who is a good defender and who isnt.

[Jrocc23]

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So much this. I'm sick of watching NBA players hit shots with their defenders pretty close. Yet I try to do the same in 2k and it's always a brick/bad shot.



I would remove the automatic shot contest when holding LT. Force people to hold up on the right stick if they want to contest the shot.



It would be nice since it will really show who is a good defender and who isnt.

I agree w/ both of you guys. That's why I did not even like hearing contested shots constantly being decreased because in the NBA it seems almost all of those shots would be considered contested in 2K.

I don't want to them to be dropping a lot but it seems most contested shots on this game is definitely off. I would like to see it raised a tiny bit NEXT year. Tired of any changes this year.


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[JohnTaylor]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

We all know 2k is gonna revert the shooting changes back to where everybody can shoot.

OS is just a small community and on twitter proves there are more casuals to sim gamers.

[alabamarob]

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So much this. I'm sick of watching NBA players hit shots with their defenders pretty close. Yet I try to do the same in 2k and it's always a brick/bad shot.

I would remove the automatic shot contest when holding LT. Force people to hold up on the right stick if they want to contest the shot.

It would be nice since it will really show who is a good defender and who isnt.

We make everyone play on Manual contest in our league. Auto contest is 1 of the worst options in 2k.

[blk5tar5]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

We make everyone play on Manual contest in our league. Auto contest is 1 of the worst options in 2k.

very true concept, but 2K doesn't want to FIX their animation why put 700 hundred only to be stuck trying to dunk the ball or shoot the ball or even pass the ball. I'm FLIPPING **** tired of this ***** why don't you just fix the game PERIOD...

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

So much this. I'm sick of watching NBA players hit shots with their defenders pretty close. Yet I try to do the same in 2k and it's always a brick/bad shot.

I would remove the automatic shot contest when holding LT. Force people to hold up on the right stick if they want to contest the shot.

It would be nice since it will really show who is a good defender and who isnt.

The problem isnt auto-contest (something thats necessary because of the online lag) its that shot defense strength on gather and release is too high. Something sub-thirty would do well with realistic shooting sliders.

[alabamarob]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

The problem isnt auto-contest (something thats necessary because of the online lag) its that shot defense strength on gather and release is too high. Something sub-thirty would do well with realistic shooting sliders.

I have played on manual contest for the last 3 years online. The lag does not require auto contest, i can still time the right stick thru the lag. However, I have only had lag 2 percent of the times at most. So my connection in online games seems to be different then yours.

[Dione2014]

Re: Mike Wang 4-28-17 Shooting Changes.

I just don't see how shooting is skill-based. In fact I think it takes the least amount of skill in 2K compared to other aspects of the game. As you can see all a dev has to do is bump that 3 point slider to the left and suddenly all that skill is gone and everyone on Twitter starts complaining.

There's plenty of other ways you can make a skill-gap in 2K. When I think of things that take skill in 2K I think of being able to chain together dribble moves to break down the CPU to get to the rim. Skill to me is knowing how to play on-ball defense and knowing how and when to cut off driving angles and when to use Intense-D or turbo. Or being able to run a freelance or plays out of a playbook and getting good quality shots out of them. Knowing how to work the post and utilize drop steps, hook shots or fadeaways. Or being able to read a play on defense and intercept a pass, or knowing which help defenders to rotate to cut off a driving lane.

Shooting to me is the easiest and most basic thing to do in this game. I mean there's literally a bar at the bottom of your players feet that tells you when to release the shot. How can that be skill based? At the end of the day outside of green releases, shooting is still based on a dice roll that factors in that players ratings and percentages. You can get a Very Early release and hit a shot and you can get a full white bar that bricks. Any scrub player can drop 50 bucks on some VC, max out their shooting ratings, grind out some badges on Rookie difficulty, go into practice mode for 5 minutes to learn their release and BOOM their suddenly an unstoppable God in 2K that can green every shot. That's not skill to me.

You're probably correct, but in my opinion, Shooting is a skill, just not a very deep one. Just like any of the other stuff you mentioned outside of running an efficient offense. It's just not that deep. That's an issue with the game design. It's not very free flowing, doesn't allow a user to make any real mistakes. The ball isn't even tangible 50% of the time, so that makes position D pointless half of the time. There's no real threat of losing the ball while dribbling. There's No real penalty for being out of position on defense. Shooting was the only thing that required a slither of skill and was somewhat controllable. That's why people are complaining about it.