Anyone else want badges removed?

[Caelumfang]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

Good. It should be hard to have badge like that on HOF. Maybe lower the requirements if you're like a Shot Creator. But that's good, should be tough as hell to get HOF badges. Will make it even more special and rare when you see players with some.


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My dude, I think you're confusing 'difficult' with 'borderline, if not flat-out, impossible.' You should try to go and earn a Sharpshooter's badges on HOF sometime. The difference between a SS and SC is that a SC only has to ATTEMPT his shots to earn the badges, the SS has to actually MAKE them.

Besides, it's not like the community around here would let those badges be even more powerful, because that's what they'd be if the grind became even more monotonous. People would start their usual crying, and soon enough the badges would get nerfed into oblivion, thus making the insanely annoying grind pointless and not worth it in the end.

[Jrocc23]

Anyone else want badges removed?

My dude, I think you're confusing 'difficult' with 'borderline, if not flat-out, impossible.' You should try to go and earn a Sharpshooter's badges on HOF sometime. The difference between a SS and SC is that a SC only has to ATTEMPT his shots to earn the badges, the SS has to actually MAKE them.

Besides, it's not like the community around here would let those badges be even more powerful, because that's what they'd be if the grind became even more monotonous. People would start their usual crying, and soon enough the badges would get nerfed into oblivion, thus making the insanely annoying grind pointless and not worth it in the end.

Nah, I am not confusing anything. I am not talking about this year though either. I am saying next year they should require HOF badges to be obtainable only on HOF or SS. I am not saying the way to acquire the badges should be the exact same as 17 or the shooting should be. But for HOF Deep Range Deadeye for example, I wouldn't mind on HOF you having to make something like 50-60+ contested 3pt shots.

I would just hope they stick with it. Everyone shouldn't be able to get HOF. I hope it's damn near impossible. Because players like LeBron and other HOF players only have like 2 HOF Badges. So I think that would be dope if players rarely had them.

If we're going to make the badge grind require a difficulty higher than rookie then we should probably start at higher than 60 OVR.....

I agree w/ this also. Maybe your play in college decides what you're rated when you get drafted? I don't know. But if I am a #1 pick, I shouldn't be a 55 overall. At least a 68 or something. But that isn't a big issue w/ me. I usually upgrade pretty fast and still play fairly well even as a low overall.

[Housh123]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

Everyone shouldn't be able to get HOF. I hope it's damn near impossible.



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Iv been saying this all year.

Make badges harder to get and base them off quality of play, not quantity. As soon as you tell a PG he has gold dimer after 300 assists hes going to get those 300 assists and nothing else. Hes going to get used to a certain style of play then hes gonna try to bring that style to the park and gonna annoy everyone because he wont pass and hes gonna waste shot clocks trying to catch ankles.



Make badges harder to get and make them skill based. Like shooting badges. To get deep range deadeye you should have to hit at certain % of your shots. Same as corner specialist. Badges like post spin should give extra badge progress if you score after the spin. Same as ankle breaker. If you break the cpu down and end up scoring or assisting it shouldnt just be an accolade, that score should count as progress to your HOF badge. The whole grind concept is flat out horrible and ruined this 2k


I really dont care what they do as long as certain archetypes cant get certain badges and badges are more skill based in their acquisition.

[YaBoial]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

Badges honestly causes the game to be more chance based than skill based

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[Master Yoda]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

It's proven statistically that some players have higher percentages on C&S shots than other threes. Being set and receiving the ball in a spot you want to be in, makes a huge difference for some players.

Chris Paul shot 49.3% on C&S Threes last year, but only 41% from Three overall.

What about guys who nail jumpers in game like crazy but do poorly in the 3PT contest, literally as OPEN as a shot can get.

It definitely matters.

I think Corner Specialist should stay. Definitely adds flavor to the game and replicates some players' abilities better. Marcus Smart for instance can't really shoot, but inexplicably he's 40% from the corners. Roberson might be a poor example, but there are some players who need that badge to play like themselves.

Limitless range is also good IMO, but I'd rather see a new attribute (long range 3 or whatever) to differentiate between players.

Catch n shoot needs to go though. And so do Difficult shots and the Deadeyes. They make no sense to me. As Mrballaboy says all the different attributes we already have can replicate the different play-styles. Curry? Max everything. Klay/Korver? Max open 3pt, decent moving and contested. CP3? Max everything from mid, maybe near-max open 3pt (shot 49% when wide open - ****, Rockets gonna be good next year). DeRozan? Max Contested and moving mid, mediocre 3pt.

And maybe recalibrate the ratings, to actually have them matter more. As I understand it now, 75 is considered average in a shooting category. Maybe bring that down to 60, in order to allow better differentiation between upper tier players, like between Korver and Redick.

Three variables (open, contested, moving) with, for simplicity's sake , 5 different levels of competency (can't shoot it, below average, average, above, superior), can emulate 5^3 (125) different play-styles. Add 2pt/3pt differentiation, hot zones and some flavor badges (Corner Specialist, Limitless) to that and the aforementioned badges become completely redundant. Unless the add some specific animations, and I haven't seen anything close to that, they should go.

Also, the shooting contest should have no bearing on the game ratings. Only the in-game statistics.

[psydefx]

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i haven't read the thread thoroughly, but are we talking about from an offline sim, or online standpoint? i think they're great for offline, but opinions seem to vary for online, most of them being negative.

[Master Yoda]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

i haven't read the thread thoroughly, but are we talking about from an offline sim, or online standpoint? i think they're great for offline, but opinions seem to vary for online, most of them being negative.

I play strictly offline and I remove most badges from my personal rosters.

I only keep the personality badges and some that make sense to me (like LDD or Dimer). My general rule is that if a badge overlaps with an attribute it's gone. Hustle Rebounder? I know it unlocks some animations, but I get much more realistic rebounding stats when I remove it. I'm willing to sacrifice some aesthetics for sim value.

[Dione2014]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

I say make all of the badges into ratings. That way they keep the player base grinding for that high overall, And players can be even more distinctive.

[psydefx]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

I play strictly offline and I remove most badges from my personal rosters.

I only keep the personality badges and some that make sense to me (like LDD or Dimer). My general rule is that if a badge overlaps with an attribute it's gone. Hustle Rebounder? I know it unlocks some animations, but I get much more realistic rebounding stats when I remove it. I'm willing to sacrifice some aesthetics for sim value.

interesting. at the very least it seems the badge system needs an overhaul. so to repeal, or repeal and replace? =/

regardless, nothing will happen in 2k18 unless they're planned something from the beginning.

[Breakstarter]

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The people on OS Do not make up the majority of the community. In this thread, rightfully so, because if you ask the general consensus, badges are fine. I'm cool when there are game breaking glitches in the game or theres just an issue of something being abused within the community, but the badge system isn't the problem. The real issue is my career. No one wants to grind to get their myplayer on an offline mode anymore. So yeah people are who strictly enjoy online will grind to get their badges out of necessity... Not because they want to. No I don't believe it should go in the call of duty direction where there is a class system and you get perks and all that, but offline grinding for badges is pure waste of users time and could be used to grind their park or pro am records up.

[JayBillups36]

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If they want to be successful in esports they have to have it set up like NHL. Pick a player archetype and go. You can have people having advantages because they restarted the game 156 times to get their consistency to 99 lol

[rhein77]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

Having a range rating makes the issue more complicated. Now you have to do math work in measurements of the floor. We all know 2K is notoriously vague with how ratings work to begin with. I think the badge system is perfect for differentiating skill from ability. I for one think almost all guards should be able to do complicated dribble moves and that they shouldn't be locked behind a rating. Let's be real, all of these guys have been dribbling for 90% of their lives. Realistically every guard is capable of advanced dribbling, it's just some are more effective chaining moves and creating space. Which is why Kyrie has HOF ankle breaker and Steph has Gold even though they both have 98 ball control.

Another example is acrobat. Every perimeter player in the NBA is capable of those sexy, highlight layups. However some guys are better at converting them. On a regular layup drive Dennis Schöder is actually fairly clise percentage wise. However we both know Kyrie is arguably the best finisher in the game, especially with those acrobatic, adjusted layups. Do we lower Schröder because he isn't as good at those finishes? No. Kyrie gets a badge, Acrobat, that allows him to do more than Dennis even though they are pretty close in ratings. Or think about a guy like Tony Parker who excels with floaters but may not be as good getting all the way to the rack as he used to? Insert: Tear Dropper.

Badges in sports games have always been something I love since the system that was in place on Live 04 and Madden in 08. There are some things ratings just can't quantify and if they do, we'll end up with 500 sliders in create-a-player. No number can tell me how quick Crawford can get hot or how Jordan and Kobe get better in the clutch while Harden seems to crumble. What slider is there for a guy like LeBron who rarely gets any "rim protection", half-court blocks, but is a terrorist to guys trying to score on a fast break? Do you give him Rudy Gobert block ratings with John Wall speed to make this possible, or do you just give him a characteristic that makes him excel at blocks in transition?

I could present a dozen more of these scenarios. Is the badge system perfect? No, but neither is any other aspect of this game. Getting rid of badges is a bad idea in my opinion. It's important to be able to differentiate the nuances between guys whose ratings should be similar. Like I mentioned with Curry and Korver.

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Great points... The badges further individualize players and adds "uniqueness" to certain players... The badges are fine. The system needs to be more refined and less exploitive...


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[isdatyt]

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I'd also like to inquire what the hell would be the difference between badges and ratings other than more complications and an overabundance of sliders? Which there are already way too many if you ask anybody who has ever made a custom roster.

Limitless range, let's say Steph gets a 99 range rating and J.R. Smith gets a 76. How is this any different than giving Steph HOF Limitless & J.R. a silver version of the same badge? I'm sure it'd translate to exactly the same thing.

The same archetypes would be able to gain that rating as they were able to ear that badge. The difference is, now it's even easier. Instead of the arbitrary long shots you have to take/make, you just plop down $40 in VC and max him out from the get go. And you're sorely mistaken if you don't think ProAM/Park will be full of guys who never played one career game and just maxed out shooting stats.

Badges are by far the best choice to run this system. Is it perfect? No. But it needs tuned and balanced, not removed.

[Housh123]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

Great points... The badges further individualize players and adds "uniqueness" to certain players... The badges are fine. The system needs to be more refined and less exploitive...


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The badges are ok but how they work in game and how easy they are to get is the problem.




Every sharpshooter in the game shouldn't have deep range deadeye. That should be an extremely hard badge to get. It should be reserved for the people who consistently shoot smart shots, have their release mastered and have high ratings. Badges like rim protector and hustle rebounder im totally fine with being gained after a certain set number of blocks/rebounds. But say corner specialist. No way in hell you should get that badge after 25 corner 3s. What if you shot 200 to get those 25 makes!!? Your not a good corner shooter then! Im also ok with how you get dimer. 300 assists in a season ok you deserve dimer. Limitless range on HOF should also be extremely hard to get. You get it after like 50 made 3s from limitless range now but what if you shot 400 to get that 50?


I could go down the list but yall get what im saying. Some badges should be harder to get. The learning curve for 2k seems to have been eliminated so that little kids could come on and cheese and be good. I remember back in the day there were NO good little kids on 2k because smart play would always trump their trash BS cheese play.


Now it seems like im seeing little 10 year olds popping off halfcourt 3s, breaking ankles and spamming steals for 3 steals a game every day. Bring back the learning curve 2k

[FixEverything2k]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

We are in too deep. Alot of 2ks offense relies heavily on HOF Badges, and if it were to be taken out it would take them like 3 years to find a semi-decent balance.

As soon as 55 3 point rated shooters were greening in the corner because of HOF corner specialist I feel like we all knew something was wrong.

A player with 80 ratings across the board and all badges on HOF is better than a 99 across the board rated player with all silver badges.