Anyone else want badges removed?

[isdatyt]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

The badges are ok but how they work in game and how easy they are to get is the problem.




Every sharpshooter in the game shouldn't have deep range deadeye. That should be an extremely hard badge to get. It should be reserved for the people who consistently shoot smart shots, have their release mastered and have high ratings. Badges like rim protector and hustle rebounder im totally fine with being gained after a certain set number of blocks/rebounds. But say corner specialist. No way in hell you should get that badge after 25 corner 3s. What if you shot 200 to get those 25 makes!!? Your not a good corner shooter then! Im also ok with how you get dimer. 300 assists in a season ok you deserve dimer. Limitless range on HOF should also be extremely hard to get. You get it after like 50 made 3s from limitless range now but what if you shot 400 to get that 50?


I could go down the list but yall get what im saying. Some badges should be harder to get. The learning curve for 2k seems to have been eliminated so that little kids could come on and cheese and be good. I remember back in the day there were NO good little kids on 2k because smart play would always trump their trash BS cheese play.


Now it seems like im seeing little 10 year olds popping off halfcourt 3s, breaking ankles and spamming steals for 3 steals a game every day. Bring back the learning curve 2k

I think HOF badges should require you to make the HOF in MyCareer. It's possible within 2 seasons so it's not unreasonable. The only thing is the mode gets stake as soon as you reach the playoffs.

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[MoodMuzik]

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The problem is... is how "hard" or how much "grinding" is acceptable, across the "2K Community"... before it's... "too tedious", "too boring", "too hard", "too long"... etc.... etc... etc...

Because, myself... I LOVED the idea of "hey look, you have a 20 year career in your MyPlayer.. and if you want the badges, the attributes, the dunk packages, the crossovers, the championships... you have to grind at practice, like every real life player" Remember, it's MyPLAYERRRR.... not MyGREATESTOFALLTIME There's A WHOLE LOT OF #1 PICK BUSTS. LIKE A WHOLE HEAP MESS OF THEM. So you getting picked in the lottery... and being a 65 overall that can't produce... is QUITE A BIT MORE LIKELY than not lol (but tell anyone that even as a 70 overall that you can average a 28 point triple double during your rookie season ANYWAY... that's not what they want to hear lol smdh, I can't stand the community I really can't lol).


But noooooooo.... the community universally hates that they have to even practice LOL. "Fruck me right?!"

But then that leads to the other dilemma of the "it takes 'X' amount of games/practices to achieve this badge"... but then there's Jeff that has 2 kids, a wife, and a 60 hour work week... that LOVES 2K... but doesn't have the time to do all the "grinding" to achieve it... so what does he do (answer is VC because he should be able to enjoy the game the way he wants to also right??).

P.S. Badges need to be in the game. Kyle Korver and Steph Curry could both have 99 3pt rating but they're 2 incredibly different 3 point shooters.

[Master Yoda]

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Badges need to be in the game. Kyle Korver and Steph Curry could both have 99 3pt rating but they're 2 incredibly different 3 point shooters.

Can you elaborate here? How do badges improve on that distinction?

We already 3 different ratings for 3pt shots, and Korver/Curry most certainly do not both deserve the same rating on all 3 of them.

Don't get me wrong, some are useful (like Limitless), but most are so superfluous I can't make a case for them to be in the game.

[ojandpizza]

Anyone else want badges removed?

I think the badges added new depth to realistic player likeness that was missing before their addition.

For example the limitless range badge. Someone could still be a 95 at shooting 3's and Curry a 95 at shooting 3's based on their percentages. But there somehow needs to be a separation for the type of range and space Curry needs compared to a spot up shooter with the same rating. The badges do a great job of illustrating and separating things like that.




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[ViolenceFight]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

I think the badges added new depth to realistic player likeness that was missing before their addition.

For example the limitless range badge. Someone could still be a 95 at shooting 3's and Curry a 95 at shooting 3's based on their percentages. But there somehow needs to be a separation for the type of range and space Curry needs compared to a spot up shooter with the same rating. The badges do a great job of illustrating and separating things like that.




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Mostly I agree with this statement. The problem isn't necessarily the badges, it's that they're overdone now. We don't need Hall of Fame badges. Bronze/Silver/Gold were fine.

Even then, not every player had them. And they weren't all high level ones either. I need to dig up 2k13 and 14 but I don't remember NBA players having a ton of "perks" or "badges" in those games. It even translated to the myplayer mode by limiting you to 5(7 in next gen).

Over-Saturation of something almost always leads to a devaluation of it over time.

In terms of myplayer: In 13 and 14 you unlocked the badges and levels based on attributes. Like, You had to have 92+ dunk to get gold posterizer. You also were limited. It placed emphasis on making a choice on what worked for you since you only get 5. You could run Anklebreaker, Lockdown D, Catch/Shoot, Corner Specialist and Dead Eye, but you wouldn't finish as well as a guy with acrobat and posterizer.

In terms of game play in normal modes: I remember LeBron and players of that caliber carrying weight. 13 is a bad example since you could steamroll him through the Great Wall of China in that game. 14 they felt like they were better than everyone else out there. 15 started doubling down on badges a bit more, and flash forward where it takes a HOF badge to separate players because they all have at least the bronze version of it.

This is just how I feel in this matter...

[Caelumfang]

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Mostly I agree with this statement. The problem isn't necessarily the badges, it's that they're overdone now. We don't need Hall of Fame badges. Bronze/Silver/Gold were fine.

Even then, not every player had them. And they weren't all high level ones either. I need to dig up 2k13 and 14 but I don't remember NBA players having a ton of "perks" or "badges" in those games. It even translated to the myplayer mode by limiting you to 5(7 in next gen).

Over-Saturation of something almost always leads to a devaluation of it over time.

In terms of myplayer: In 13 and 14 you unlocked the badges and levels based on attributes. Like, You had to have 92+ dunk to get gold posterizer. You also were limited. It placed emphasis on making a choice on what worked for you since you only get 5. You could run Anklebreaker, Lockdown D, Catch/Shoot, Corner Specialist and Dead Eye, but you wouldn't finish as well as a guy with acrobat and posterizer.

In terms of game play in normal modes: I remember LeBron and players of that caliber carrying weight. 13 is a bad example since you could steamroll him through the Great Wall of China in that game. 14 they felt like they were better than everyone else out there. 15 started doubling down on badges a bit more, and flash forward where it takes a HOF badge to separate players because they all have at least the bronze version of it.

This is just how I feel in this matter...

You took the words right out of my mouth. This is what I've been trying to say this entire time.

[MoodMuzik]

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Can you elaborate here? How do badges improve on that distinction?

We already 3 different ratings for 3pt shots, and Korver/Curry most certainly do not both deserve the same rating on all 3 of them.

Don't get me wrong, some are useful (like Limitless), but most are so superfluous I can't make a case for them to be in the game.

Limitless Range/Deadeye/Corner Specialist/Microwave/Tireless Scorer/Difficult Shots/Catch & Shoot/Shot Creator to name a few.

You can see where Korver would pale in comparison to Steph Curry (though very valuable in his own right) given certain badges, such as Tireless Scorer/Difficult Shots, Shot Creator.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Limitless Range/Deadeye/Corner Specialist/Microwave/Tireless Scorer/Difficult Shots/Catch & Shoot/Shot Creator to name a few.

You can see where Korver would pale in comparison to Steph Curry (though very valuable in his own right) given certain badges, such as Tireless Scorer/Difficult Shots, Shot Creator.

That's a great point . It's why badges were introduced in the first place . Although there is a shot off dribble rating , contested shot rating etc ... SOME of those badges can be removed . Others should be more realistic. Like Brickwall

[Eman5805]

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I can see both sides of the argument. I mean, LeBron's chasedown blocks are a thing. He can't just have a high blocking attribute because he's not really blocking a lot of shots in the half court.

So do they just add in a chase down block attribute? Seems like the only compromise.

[Master Yoda]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

Limitless Range/Deadeye/Corner Specialist/Microwave/Tireless Scorer/Difficult Shots/Catch & Shoot/Shot Creator to name a few.

You can see where Korver would pale in comparison to Steph Curry (though very valuable in his own right) given certain badges, such as Tireless Scorer/Difficult Shots, Shot Creator.

You missed my point, probably because I didn't convey it clearly.

Yes, Limitless range/Corner Specialist/Microwave are all sensible additions. I can even stand behind Tireless scorer.

What I don't get is Deadeye or Shot creator for example. We already have corresponding attributes so they just overcomplicate things.

How do these badges help differentiate between Curry/Korver, when they already have different contested and moving 3pt shot ratings? IMO they don't.

And they create the side problem of an 80 rated shooter with badges outperforming a 90 rated one without. Which makes no sense.

[ViolenceFight]

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You missed my point, probably because I didn't convey it clearly.

Yes, Limitless range/Corner Specialist/Microwave are all sensible additions. I can even stand behind Tireless scorer.

What I don't get is Deadeye or Shot creator for example. We already have corresponding attributes so they just overcomplicate things.

How do these badges help differentiate between Curry/Korver, when they already have different contested and moving 3pt shot ratings? IMO they don't.

And they create the side problem of an 80 rated shooter with badges outperforming a 90 rated one without. Which makes no sense.

And this is why originally it was linked to attributes. 2k13 you need X in Shooting to even get a Bronze one of those badges. If Bronze catch and shoot was available only with 75+ then Silver was 85+ and Gold was 93+. You couldn't get Bronze, then just buy Gold if you didn't have the attributes.

This is what prevented your scenario. You could then differentiate between different players of all levels. You could have two decent shooters around the mid eighties that felt entirely different. So the PG with 85 3pt and a pick and roll badge felt like you should hedge to take away the 3pt option, where as the SG with 85 you had to stay glued to because Catch&Shoot + Dead Eye meant you couldn't "Late Contest" safely.

I agree wholeheartedly that we have attributes, and some badges only exist now because they didn't back then. They also worked differently, AND they told you the percentage they improved. I believe catch and shoot was Bronze +10%, Silver +15% and gold was like 20% increase in likelihood of making off a catch and shoot.

Brick Wall dropped dudes waaaaay less. Ankle Breakers weren't almost guaranteed with every posession. And I feel like that is because there's now hall of fame badges. I feel like those add +40% to the chance of that thing occurring.

I think my 6'6 SG in 14 could only hit 60 in rebounding. He couldn't get either of the 2 rebounding badges. I could still snag boards, and get putbacks. I could out position some big guys too. A PF or C could toast me if they knew how to rebound well.

I could "Do everything", but I'd be completely outclassed against a person specializing in that. The setup I ran was very balanced. The problem started when you could get ALL the badges without needing required attributes. That allowed for players not good at something to play WELL outside their means.

In 13-14 I wouldn't dream of pulling a 3 with a guy less that 70 in that category. Hell, I had like mid to high 80s in 16 and I'd hesitate. 17 I'm comfortable pulling corner catch and shoot 3s with 45 in 3pt. The badges negate my poor shooting. So I can ignore some attributes if I hunt for the badge. And that's why I see your point and agree partially.

It's also the glaring reason the previous system is becoming a better option in my eyes. Attributes should dictate what badges you get/What your player can do. You shouldn't be able to get all the badges.

Also, I see talk about posterizer and "Contact Dunk Rating". Originally, There was Layup, Standing Lay up, Dunk, Standing Dunk, and "Shot in Traffic". Posterizer and acrobat were used to differentiate between guys who could finish in traffic, guys who would try to dunk on guys, guys who were adept at finishing by changing their shot, or guys who could do both (Both badges on). So they had a place and an actual job. You could still get contact dunks, but posterizer added some more animations and scenarios to the list of trigger effects. You could change shots, acrobat just let them drop more.

Like, All the badges/Perks were useful, had a place, and seemed balanced with the Pick X system.

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[Housh123]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

. You shouldn't be able to get all the badges.


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My main issue. Also I vaugly remembered a 2k where your attributes determined what badges you could get and im glad you refreshed my memory. I remember you having to have 85 strength to get bruiser and stuff like that. The mindless way you get badges is a main issue for me as well. If I remember correctly you got shooting badges by shooting a certain PERCENTAGE and not just hitting an amount.


The game sucks so hard in Park and Walk on because this system has conditioned people to play like that. How many point guards have you played with that get the ball and dribble for 12 seconds waiting for a screen or screaming for you to set them one, even tho they are horrible at running the pick and roll. They think they are good at it because in MyCAreer they grinded for the badge on rookie and on that difficulty guys literally move out the way so you can complete passes. Then he comes to the walk on against humans and dude figures out he totally SUCKS at running the PnR even with PnR Maestro on HOF. Ill always say if your a PG and your team is actually letting you run PG giving you the ball and you don't average more than 5 assists your trash. No if ands or buts. Your not passing enough flat out

[lalblc]

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Is it possible for them to have a roster without badges like a roster without injuries ?

[Reggie5489]

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You took the words right out of my mouth. This is what I've been trying to say this entire time.

EXACTLY that post was spot on. In 14, I used the clippers, CP3 routinely dominated end of games giving me the wins...now every player with limitless range and dead eye is a superstar....theres no real separation in talent, i cant dribble drive easily unless dude got ankle breaker and i trigger animations

[ksuttonjr76]

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Is it possible for them to have a roster without badges like a roster without injuries ?

In theory, they could.