Some Youtubers Help Ruin 2K

[hesko]

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you cannot place blame on a game developer for how someone else decides to play the game. that's like trying to sue bugatti cause you crashed on the autobahn knowing you are not a skilled driver.

[hesko]

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It's like you guys are letting someone else dictate your gaming experience rather than having your own and just enjoy the game for what it is.

[Housh123]

Some Youtubers Help Ruin 2K

Yeah YouTube is hurting gaming but you gotta blame 2k first for making some animations way better than others


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[Housh123]

Some Youtubers Help Ruin 2K

It's like you guys are letting someone else dictate your gaming experience rather than having your own and just enjoy the game for what it is.

It's hard not to allow others to kinda dictate your enjoyment when Park and Pro Am are 100% co-op modes against random problem



I don't get how you can even be snark to a dude who has that complaint. It's an online mode, others are gonna dictate how much fun you have it's the nature of the beast


I tell ppl make whatever archetype they want based off them and not how the community plays but that's different than the sense of enjoyment one feels in online modes.


Imo this game is damn near unplayable without friends to run with because of things like the OP said. Everyone watching YouTube learning the same cheese stuff and doing the same techniques. Idc about ppl having the same animations because some animations are just better but I do have a problem with Yout be FLOODING the game with cheese

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[hesko]

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i'm not being snark, just commenting on my observations. we all know the games we play aint perfect, but i not gonna let someone else's bad experience with a video game make my experience any less enjoyable is what i'm syaing. like a poster said earlier and i know i've said this numerous times here, the way some people play video games almost makes the game seem one dimensional.
everyone has the same moves, badges, 2k cam angle, etc. the game would seem boring to me too if i saw a bunch of kyrie durants everywhere thirsting for vc and braggin' rights because they found an exploit to help them rank up.

[hesko]

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It's hard not to allow others to kinda dictate your enjoyment when Park and Pro Am are 100% co-op modes against random problem



I don't get how you can even be snark to a dude who has that complaint. It's an online mode, others are gonna dictate how much fun you have it's the nature of the beast


I tell ppl make whatever archetype they want based off them and not how the community plays but that's different than the sense of enjoyment one feels in online modes.


Imo this game is damn near unplayable without friends to run with because of things like the OP said. Everyone watching YouTube learning the same cheese stuff and doing the same techniques. Idc about ppl having the same animations because some animations are just better but I do have a problem with Yout be FLOODING the game with cheese

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find a way to counter it. i hate the bs that s in the game too, and yes, i hate what me and my homies call "2kmagic", but just as those dudes found exploits, i bet it's a counter to it. has it been found? who knows. have yet to see tha tvideo.

[GoDucks1224]

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Someone sounds a little upset. Did you get destroyed by some generic playmaker who does the same dribble moves over and over so you decided to come here and complain? Grow up man.

This is just trolling at this point.


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[MontanaMan]

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Some of y'all in this thread are guilty lol.

[lilkoolaid]

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i dont like this 2k youtubers because they are the one who test the game and get a lot of feedback from 2k devs and they mostly play online games MYPARK/TEAM/PROAM which means the people who play offline modes who wants the authentic game and the most acurate NBA players looks get lookover becoz we become a minority.

[Korrupted]

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People just want a competitive edge IMO. It's pretty clear cut which sig styles and jumpshots work and don't work in 2k each year. There's no balance when it comes down to it. Either a crossover is really good....or its really bad. There's really no in between. We really didn't have much to choose from this year so I'm not surprised at all.

[ForeverVersatile]

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This new generation of 2K players is so bad smh.

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[Housh123]

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With all that said in this thread


90% of the solely one VS one stuff that ppl do in park can be stopped by Just playing smart defense

As a big I can't keep up with ppl when they do side step backs or turbo sideways


But when I use my wing player it's a different story. When ppl start trying to catch my ankles with one v one dribbles I just back up. You'd be surprised how many of these dudes don't even want to shoot the 3.




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[ViolenceFight]

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With all that said in this thread


90% of the solely one VS one stuff that ppl do in park can be stopped by Just playing smart defense

As a big I can't keep up with ppl when they do side step backs or turbo sideways


But when I use my wing player it's a different story. When ppl start trying to catch my ankles with one v one dribbles I just back up. You'd be surprised how many of these dudes don't even want to shoot the 3.




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This.

If I may, I have stayed silent in this thread because this has been a war that seems like it's lasted for eons at this point. This goes further back than 2k. Hell, it goes back to the origin of competing. It's the "Do anything to win" mentality.

Sirlin wrote a book/Web article called "Playing to win". It's a very good book, and honestly is a must-read for anyone that's ever played games competitively. The 2 most relevant chapters are:

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/how-far-should-you-go-to-win

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/what-should-be-banned

Ultimately both those nail a good number of the situations we're currently in. The difference being that in 2k's case, we can use the real NBA as a way to sort of compare and contrast what should be doable vs. What shouldn't be doable. No one is wrong necessarily here either. No one in their right mind is going to intentionally use subpar tactics when playing competitively. And it's understandable that others feel that's not right for valid reasons.

This very much puts the onus on the devs to balance the game out or create a system that rewards variety. Because no matter what it will always devolve into a homogeneous playing field of players doing the same thing because it's the best possible tactic otherwise. It's the nature of competition.

It's especially hard right now because such a big chunk of the player base is so reliant on those tactics that changing them will more than likely lose or alienate the players. From a sales perspective you risk losing future potential buys from that group.

It requires the development team to sit down and ultimately say: "We're making THIS. THIS is how we mean for the game to be played, and that's it" and create their vision of what basketball is. The problem is that sales quotas and goals tell them to make a game that can generate the highest number of sales by reaching the most consumers.

As a community, there is nothing you can do. You can make noise, and call for nerfs. There will always be the selfish players that want to do it all, and they will gravitate towards the best option, so take away one and they will find another. Your best bet is to learn the move, memorize the patterns, and adapt to stopping it. That, and hope that it's addressed by the devs at some point.

That's my whole take on all this.

[MoodMuzik]

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Great post^^^ Fantastic tbh, I'll be reading those articles later on you included.

The cheese section of the bleachers in the online modes aren't hard to beat. For fun the other day I used my 74 overall Slasher and ended up playing a 94 Slasher and 97 Shot Creator in a game of 21 and I nearly won.

Back up, give them room to do whatever they want to do, get the rebound.

If they sag off and just sit under the rim, play their game and just sit there 14 feet away until they get tired of waiting and drive past them lol.

The real problem is that it gets old when you end up playing so many like that and they don't end up really playing a game of basketball.

But the trend of "they bought all that VC now they're guy is unstoppable", oh please, they obviously play terribly and now their player actually enforces their mistakes because they think they can get away with it now lol.

[Housh123]

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Great post^^^ Fantastic tbh, I'll be reading those articles later on you included.



The cheese section of the bleachers in the online modes aren't hard to beat. For fun the other day I used my 74 overall Slasher and ended up playing a 94 Slasher and 97 Shot Creator in a game of 21 and I nearly won.



Back up, give them room to do whatever they want to do, get the rebound.



If they sag off and just sit under the rim, play their game and just sit there 14 feet away until they get tired of waiting and drive past them lol.



The real problem is that it gets old when you end up playing so many like that and they don't end up really playing a game of basketball.



But the trend of "they bought all that VC now they're guy is unstoppable", oh please, they obviously play terribly and now their player actually enforces their mistakes because they think they can get away with it now lol.

Iv said it a lot this year

This isn't even a basketball simulation anymore

It's so arcadey and the way ppl play it is so different than basketball that I can't even call it basketball anymore

But that's ok because it's still fun and can improve


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