There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

[Whomario]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

Anybody on Xbox One willing to swap "clean" Draft Classes for the time being ? Simply create like 2 or 3 (or 5) draft classes where you edit the stash-players to normal ? All one needs to do is click on edit --> Vitals --> Stash Years left = 0

[LorenzoDC]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

The Suns have a Payroll of 217 mio in 2023 Basically 7 guys on a max contract, all rated between 82 and 88.

Maybe something that can be tuned with the Inflation-slider, highering the initial Salary cap and maybe a few of the other settings. But ultimately something that 2K has to do.

To their credit: Last year they tuned CPU contract extensions being way too low.

This is probably because they still have player asking prices stuck in a rigid formula determined mostly by OVR, AGE and POT, and still haven't created a kind of supply and demand free agent market system. It's just a big hole in the logic that has always existed and which has required me in past years to do 30 team manual control of the FA market and even edit player salaries when they just can't be signed for realistic amounts.

So, for example, Derrick Rose started this off season looking for a 20 Million dollar deal and ended up taking minimum. He's worth minimum, but he didn't know that, and the market told him so. 2K has no way to replicate that outcome if DRose has an OVR in the game of 75 or whatever, so these guys get signed for too much money and teams do no semi-sim cap management.

[CaseIH]

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Essentially the now creates European/International Prospects that declare for the Draft but don't have an NBA out-clause (think Dario Saric) and stay a further 1,2 or 3 years in Europe.

Unfortunately while test-simming i had numerous cases of players re-entering the draft after their contract in Europe runs out.

This is not just a faulty mechanic, it simply makes no sense to code it like this since it has no basement in reality. I have absolutely no idea how something like this slips past in development, making this a deliberate cop-out in my eyes.

This sounds like its probably something that can be fixed in a patch. Definitely make sure this get put in the bug and glitch thread. Its a shame that both My League and MyGM, dont get tested better than they do. But it seems to be the case with any sports game now days, this isnt just a NBA2k thing by any means.

[Whomario]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

One easy workaround in MyLeague that i will use is simply to go through the team rosters at the end of each season (before off-season, so during the Finals at the latest) and edit their euro-stash-players contracts with the "1" symbol (for 1 year left)

Click Player ---> Type = Core --> scale back year 4 ---> Add a 5th year at the current year 4 value

This is for former first rounders, former 2nd rounders will be even easier to edit.


For some reason it seems the game does not handle the "transition" between the Stash-Contract and the actual contract on players that get stashed initially and even though i am not currently up to test this my assumption is that it is with players stashed for 3 years. Why ? Because the stash contract initially is displayed as running for 2 years with 2 team options. So after year 3, the game assigns the player a 0 dollar contract as the team option could never be picked up.

[Junior Moe]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

I kinda worded it wron maybe.

1) In your Roster you can click A on any stashed player and then renounce. For some reason only in the off-season, but this is hardley an issue i guess.
2) After the Draft, you get the option to sign or decline your former stash-picks (if eligible that year)

Both are not "related" as such. No2 is the problem !



Yeah. It does indeed look as if the CPU simply does not accept the option/contract once it becomes available. They do seem to retain the rights while they are in Europe (the game recommends for me to do this for even 64 rated players).

Which in and of itself isn't a terrible issue, though debatable. But yeah, those guys aboslutely need to go into the FA Pool

Another issue that speaks negatively to the games draft logic is the fact that these guys then get drafted really high. If they would get hard-coded to go undrafted it would again not be an issue, as it is they get picked in the lottery since they improve overseas. (no idea if all improve or just some)

The Heat in my Test just neglected to pick up

From what you're saying it seems like the players being drafted a second time, usually higher because their overall is now higher, is the bigger issue. It kind of seems like 2K is attempting to simulate some players not coming over exactly when we expect. There are guys like Sergio Lull who have been drafted but never come over from Europe. That's an extreme example but I like the intrigue of drafting a guy and expecting him to come over in 2 years but it end up being 3 or 4. I'm gonna look a little deeper tonight once I get the game and after the day one patch to see what's up. It seems like there's something off, though.

[Whomario]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

That's an extreme example but I like the intrigue of drafting a guy and expecting him to come over in 2 years but it end up being 3 or 4.

No intrigue, the game tells you all along when he will come over and that's the only time he can be offered a contract

[Boogee134]

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No intrigue, the game tells you all along when he will come over and that's the only time he can be offered a contract

Except from the problems already mentioned. How is the player progression ? And the rookies ? Are there any clones ? Are they rated too high, too low ?

[Whomario]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

Except from the problems already mentioned. How is the player progression ? And the rookies ? Are there any clones ? Are they rated too high, too low ?

1) Too fast on default setting
2) Rookies look much better than last few years, both in terms of rating-cohesion (less weird combinations) and visually
3) No time to look in game yet and would likely not even notice it if they were as i play with no replays or cut-scenes

The draft classes still produce a too many 22/23 year olds and there is an issue with 3ptOpen rating being too high.

[Boogee134]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

1) Too fast on default setting
2) Rookies look much better than last few years, both in terms of rating-cohesion (less weird combinations) and visually
3) No time to look in game yet and would likely not even notice it if they were as i play with no replays or cut-scenes

The draft classes still produce a too many 22/23 year olds and there is an issue with 3ptOpen rating being too high.

Nice, thank you ! Looks great even with the problems you mentioned.
Gonna do some tests tomorrow, maybe lowering the player progression slider could fix some things.

[wodi]

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Except from the problems already mentioned. How is the player progression ? And the rookies ? Are there any clones ? Are they rated too high, too low ?

They're rated too high, they are essentially using a 70-99 scale

[Barncore]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

Do the draft and stash players get duplicated when they re-enter the draft?

[Whomario]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

For the workaround i suggested: You do not actually need to put in a 5th year. Just switch it to "core" contract and the first contract year is for the upcoming season (provided you do it after the NBA finals but before simming to the offseason). And yes, they will count as Rookies in their Rookie year when doing it that way !

Do the draft and stash players get duplicated when they re-enter the draft?

The one where i actually paid attention did, will maybe have another look at it tomorrow to see if it happens always. Same with them signing for free (4 years, 0 $ )

[Pizarro24]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

Do the draft and stash players get duplicated when they re-enter the draft?

Yeah, they get duplicated.

Just looked into some Rosters and there are some clones around the league, for example Memphis and Atlanta have the same player on their Rosters, the Lakers have the same player two times and so on.
And one of them is always signed for 0$.

But I´m sure 2K will patch this soon, it just need to be adressed.

[Whomario]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

Yeah, they get duplicated.

Just looked into some Rosters and there are some clones around the league, for example Memphis and Atlanta have the same player on their Rosters, the Lakers have the same player two times and so on.
And one of them is always signed for 0$.

But I´m sure 2K will patch this soon, it just need to be adressed.

yeah, for now it is broken unless you manually go in and do an edit every season.


I also just came across Cheikh Diallo signed to a contract worth -107 mio (ye, MINUS) in the first and 2 billion (yes, billion) in the 2nd. I am so mad that i can't upload screens out of the game for some reason right now ...

EDIT: Same for Damian Jones on the Spurs

[TheFinalEvent97]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

yeah, for now it is broken unless you manually go in and do an edit every season.


I also just came across Cheikh Diallo signed to a contract worth -107 mio (ye, MINUS) in the first and 2 billion (yes, billion) in the 2nd. I am so mad that i can't upload screens out of the game for some reason right now ...

EDIT: Same for Damian Jones on the Spurs

When 2k said they implemented the supermax they weren't kidding.