There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

[Whomario]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

They do not count towards the Roster Limit of 15 btw, which is good. Their rights can be traded, which is also good.

So there is promise in the system and the issue can easily be worked around in 30 Team Controll (you can just activate this for a short time nowadays as well, so not much hassle). Still, it is a pretty major oversight and non-"fixable" on the user side in MyGM.

It seems these players are supposed to be hidden in the draft class so that the game will count them as rookies until they are signed.



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No, they are actually again drafted (again !) as 25/26 year olds, often as high picks (No1 pick just now).

[CDazzle91]

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What happens if you load a different draft class? Like a pre-made one? Do these guys still end up back in the class since they've been renounced.

[Whomario]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

What happens if you load a different draft class? Like a pre-made one? Do these guys still end up back in the class since they've been renounced.

They still get added to that draft class.

[SuperNova854]

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I could have this wrong, so correct me if I'm wrong. But from the sounds of it, the issue is that the CPU will renounce the player? Do I have that right? Then because they're renounced by the CPU they go to the draft instead of FA?

[bigmike0077]

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I believe this is definitely something that will be patched or fixed. usually 2kGames have a few bugs to start and ive been playing consistently since 2k7. But the end up patching things in these modes later on

[SuperNova854]

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Okay I think I have it down now. Ignore my above post. When a stash player is done with x number of years you have 3 options. 1. being to sign them to rookie contract. 2 being you can renounce them. 3. you can just decline. This is what it sounds like from the information given. Choice #3 leads to them going back into the draft. So it seems choice #3 shouldn't even be a choice. You should renounce or sign. The only way #3 would work is if 2k put in some code where the player keeps re-signing deals in Europe, but for simplicity that shouldn't really be an option.

[Whomario]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

I kinda worded it wron maybe.

1) In your Roster you can click A on any stashed player and then renounce. For some reason only in the off-season, but this is hardley an issue i guess.
2) After the Draft, you get the option to sign or decline your former stash-picks (if eligible that year)

Both are not "related" as such. No2 is the problem !

I could have this wrong, so correct me if I'm wrong. But from the sounds of it, the issue is that the CPU will renounce the player? Do I have that right? Then because they're renounced by the CPU they go to the draft instead of FA?

Yeah. It does indeed look as if the CPU simply does not accept the option/contract once it becomes available. They do seem to retain the rights while they are in Europe (the game recommends for me to do this for even 64 rated players).

Which in and of itself isn't a terrible issue, though debatable. But yeah, those guys aboslutely need to go into the FA Pool

Another issue that speaks negatively to the games draft logic is the fact that these guys then get drafted really high. If they would get hard-coded to go undrafted it would again not be an issue, as it is they get picked in the lottery since they improve overseas. (no idea if all improve or just some)

The Heat in my Test just neglected to pick up

[Whomario]

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Sometimes teams also sign their former picks and they get assigned contracts worth 0. Just found several guys on 4 year, 0 dollar contracts with 2 year team option. It might be an issue for all 1st rounders, but i am honestly not mentally equipped to test that right now ... 5 guys right now (player filter, ZERO salary. 395 total, 390 FA --> 5 such issue players)

Also just took controll of a team with a former first rounder eligible, manually picked up the option, he got a 0 dollar contract, and now there is a duplicate in the next draft class (it is the same player, not just the same name)

[SuperNova854]

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Yeah this is definitely a huge issue then. From the sounds of it even if I were to do a 30-team control theres no way to really get around this other than simply not drafting the dude in the draft and/or fixing the contract to make them worth money as opposed to $0

[Boogee134]

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Damn.
And you said that there were several 80+ players free agents cause everyone's in cap hell (after 5 years) ?
So much for that 80 years simulation they run lol to get everything perfect... Who are they trying to fool ?

[Whomario]

Re: There is (predictably) a big Issue with the Euro-Stash System

Damn.
And you said that there were several 80+ players free agents cause everyone's in cap hell (after 5 years) ?
So much for that 80 years simulation they run lol to get everything perfect... Who are they trying to fool ?

The Suns have a Payroll of 217 mio in 2023 Basically 7 guys on a max contract, all rated between 82 and 88.

Maybe something that can be tuned with the Inflation-slider, highering the initial Salary cap and maybe a few of the other settings. But ultimately something that 2K has to do.

To their credit: Last year they tuned CPU contract extensions being way too low.

[Boogee134]

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The Suns have a Payroll of 217 mio in 2023 Basically 7 guys on a max contract, all rated between 82 and 88.

Maybe something that can be tuned with the Inflation-slider, highering the initial Salary cap and maybe a few of the other settings. But ultimately something that 2K has to do.

To their credit: Last year they tuned CPU contract extensions being way too low.

Every team like this ? I can't believe every team is over the cap ? 7 players between 82 and 88 is a really great team, maybe they just drafted well !

Keep in mind that the salary cap 6 years ago was 58 millions. But 80+ players unsigned is really unrealistic if this is true and it's very alarming for someone like me who only plays MyLeague.

[georgiafan]

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I'm more worried about if a player you draft and stash improves his overall a few years down the line ?

If there is a problem I'm sure it will be fixed


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[Whomario]

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Every team like this ? I can't believe every team is over the cap ? 7 players between 82 and 88 is a really great team, maybe they just drafted well !

Keep in mind that the salary cap 6 years ago was 58 millions. But 80+ players unsigned is really unrealistic if this is true and it's very alarming for someone like me who only plays MyLeague.

Unfortunately the screenshots/clips saved from the game (via gameDVR) can not be uploaded to onedrive/xboxlive, otherwise i would just post a vid.

But it is definitely an issue, even though the Suns are obviously an extreme example. The issue seems to lie with too many players rated around 80 being signed to near-max extensions coming off their rookie contracts. Most team operate right around the Luxury Tax (around 130 mio)

There are even "mitigating factors" like for example an aging (33 years old, 82 rated) Gordon Hayward signing an extension for just 8 mio per for after his current 40 mio max runs out. Which is not possible in real life either, as far as i am concerned (but a shortcut i can live with)

Or quite a few good FAs signing for the min after a few weeks (that's good to see)

[Boogee134]

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Unfortunately the screenshots/clips saved from the game (via gameDVR) can not be uploaded to onedrive/xboxlive, otherwise i would just post a vid.

But it is definitely an issue, even though the Suns are obviously an extreme example. The issue seems to lie with too many players rated around 80 being signed to near-max extensions coming off their rookie contracts.

There are even "mitigating factors" like for example an aging (33 years old, 82 rated) Gordon Hayward signing an extension for just 8 mio per for after his current 40 mio max runs out. Which is not possible in real life either, as far as i am concerned (but a shortcut i can live with)

Or quite a few good FAs signing for the min after a few weeks (that's good to see)

Ok so there is no 80+ free agents left in the pool mid season ? That is good to know. From an extreme to another... Obviously I'd prefer it to be perfect, but I prefer the contracts being too high than the opposite (2K17). At least everyone's in the same situation, last year it was soooo easy to sign (and resign) good players to the minimum or under their value.

Hope it will be fixed though.