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  • Bulletproof86
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    • Sep 2015
    • 263

    #31
    Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

    threats like this should be closed after 1 sentence, because it makes no sense to argue about player attributes, it is what it is.
    i dont understand this people who are complaining about this things and make tickets for 2k support,
    thats why they need always so much time to reply the really important things like some people loosing their mycareer files or some guards cant dunk (gameplay bug)
    "Talent win games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships..."

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    • VAWereWolf65
      MVP
      • Jul 2016
      • 1734

      #32
      Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

      Originally posted by Bulletproof86
      threats like this should be closed after 1 sentence, because it makes no sense to argue about player attributes, it is what it is.
      i dont understand this people who are complaining about this things and make tickets for 2k support,
      thats why they need always so much time to reply the really important things like some people loosing their mycareer files or some guards cant dunk (gameplay bug)
      Can you show me the part where I said i opened a ticket? Can you show me the part where i took away from 2k trying to fix the bugs in the game? No you can't, because i didn't do any of those.

      If you don't like the topic of the thread, don't comment on it. It's not that hard dude

      This is something that affects play now, myleague, mygm and myteam so get out of here with that my career stuff. Obviously this matters to people too
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      • VAWereWolf65
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        • Jul 2016
        • 1734

        #33
        Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

        Figured I’d bump this up because I just noticed they finally raised his strength.

        It’s now at an 85 instead of a 70.
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        • Real2KInsider
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          • Dec 2003
          • 4658

          #34
          Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

          Originally posted by VAWereWolf65
          Figured I’d bump this up because I just noticed they finally raised his strength.

          It’s now at an 85 instead of a 70.
          I can confirm that it's an attribute that was never updated once in a 5-year stretch. The same is true of most every player's Strength (at least until today).

          Let's set the bar right here:
          40 Kadeem Allen (6'3" / 200)
          40 Demetrius Jackson (6'1" / 201)
          40 Ryan Arcidiacono (6'3" / 195)
          40 Isaiah Taylor (6'3" / 170)
          40 Josh Magette (6'1" / 160)

          40 is effectively the default rating 2K will give a G-League Point Guard they add to the game. Now let's compare to the rest.....

          CURRENT PLAYERS
          45 Willie Cauley-Stein (7'0" / 240)
          45 Trevor Ariza (6'8" / 215)
          45 Justin Patton (7'0" / 236)
          45 Maurice Harkless (6'9" / 225)
          45 Kevon Looney (6'9" / 220)
          44 John Henson (6'11" / 229)
          44 Nemanja Bjelica (6'10" / 230)
          43 Rudy Gay (6'8" / 230)
          43 Eric Moreland (6'10" / 238)
          42 Jonas Jerebko (6'10" / 231)
          42 Thabo Sefolosha (6'7" / 220)
          42 Frank Kaminsky (7'0" / 242)
          42 Tyler Cavanagh (6'9" / 238)
          42 Gordon Hayward (6'8" / 226)
          41 Omri Casspi (6'9" / 225)
          40 Chandler Parsons (6'10" / 230)
          40 Kyle Singler (6'8" / 228)
          37 C.J. Miles (6'6" / 225)
          36 Khris Middleton (6'8" / 234)
          36 Joe Harris (6'6" / 219)
          35 Tyler Ulis (5'10" / 160) - There are a bunch of players w/ lower ratings, like for example
          27 J.J. Redick (6'4" / 200)
          27 Ricky Rubio (6'4" / 190)

          These are just straight up embarrassing. I personally would have fixed these a long time ago, but here we are today.

          Among the more egregious Classics....

          CLASSICS
          96 Tim Duncan (6'11" / 255) - 05 Spurs (only Shaq, Wilt, George McGinnis higher)
          92 Sarunas Marcilonas (6'5" / 200) - 91 Warriors
          90 K.C. Jones (6'1" / 200) - 65 Celtics
          86 Magic Johnson (6'9" / 220) - 91 Lakers
          85 Sidney Moncrief (6'3" / 180) - 85 Bucks
          85 Mitch Richmond (6'5" / 215) - 91 Warriors
          85 Michael Jordan (6'6" / 195) - 98 Bulls (yeah, I have a problem w/ him being 4 off LeBron)
          80 John Havlicek (6'5" / 203) - 65 Celtics
          36 Keith Van Horn (6'10" / 220) - 02 Nets
          35 Eduardo Najera (6'8" / 240) - 03 Mavs
          27 Wally Szczerbiak (6'7" / 244) - 04 Wolves
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          • VAWereWolf65
            MVP
            • Jul 2016
            • 1734

            #35
            Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

            Originally posted by Rashidi
            I can confirm that it's an attribute that was never updated once in a 5-year stretch. The same is true of most every player's Strength (at least until today).

            Let's set the bar right here:
            40 Kadeem Allen (6'3" / 200)
            40 Demetrius Jackson (6'1" / 201)
            40 Ryan Arcidiacono (6'3" / 195)
            40 Isaiah Taylor (6'3" / 170)
            40 Josh Magette (6'1" / 160)

            40 is effectively the default rating 2K will give a G-League Point Guard they add to the game. Now let's compare to the rest.....

            CURRENT PLAYERS
            45 Willie Cauley-Stein (7'0" / 240)
            45 Trevor Ariza (6'8" / 215)
            45 Justin Patton (7'0" / 236)
            45 Maurice Harkless (6'9" / 225)
            45 Kevon Looney (6'9" / 220)
            44 John Henson (6'11" / 229)
            44 Nemanja Bjelica (6'10" / 230)
            43 Rudy Gay (6'8" / 230)
            43 Eric Moreland (6'10" / 238)
            42 Jonas Jerebko (6'10" / 231)
            42 Thabo Sefolosha (6'7" / 220)
            42 Frank Kaminsky (7'0" / 242)
            42 Tyler Cavanagh (6'9" / 238)
            42 Gordon Hayward (6'8" / 226)
            41 Omri Casspi (6'9" / 225)
            40 Chandler Parsons (6'10" / 230)
            40 Kyle Singler (6'8" / 228)
            37 C.J. Miles (6'6" / 225)
            36 Khris Middleton (6'8" / 234)
            36 Joe Harris (6'6" / 219)
            35 Tyler Ulis (5'10" / 160) - There are a bunch of players w/ lower ratings, like for example
            27 J.J. Redick (6'4" / 200)
            27 Ricky Rubio (6'4" / 190)

            These are just straight up embarrassing. I personally would have fixed these a long time ago, but here we are today.

            Among the more egregious Classics....

            CLASSICS
            96 Tim Duncan (6'11" / 255) - 05 Spurs (only Shaq, Wilt, George McGinnis higher)
            92 Sarunas Marcilonas (6'5" / 200) - 91 Warriors
            90 K.C. Jones (6'1" / 200) - 65 Celtics
            86 Magic Johnson (6'9" / 220) - 91 Lakers
            85 Sidney Moncrief (6'3" / 180) - 85 Bucks
            85 Mitch Richmond (6'5" / 215) - 91 Warriors
            85 Michael Jordan (6'6" / 195) - 98 Bulls (yeah, I have a problem w/ him being 4 off LeBron)
            80 John Havlicek (6'5" / 203) - 65 Celtics
            36 Keith Van Horn (6'10" / 220) - 02 Nets
            35 Eduardo Najera (6'8" / 240) - 03 Mavs
            27 Wally Szczerbiak (6'7" / 244) - 04 Wolves
            I just don’t understand where they come up with these ratings. Wally Szczerbiak was a massive dude in his playing days being 6’7” and nearly 250 pounds, how does that possibly translate to 27 strength? They’re saying he’s weaker than Tyler Ulis who is 150 pounds?

            Not to mention Joe Harris and Khris Middleton who are both massive for guards.

            And another classic player who’s pathetically weak is Derek Fisher who a lot of people regard as one of the strongest point guards in recent history. He’s 6’1” and 209 pounds and somehow only has 30 strength.
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            • GisherJohn24
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              • Aug 2008
              • 4600

              #36
              Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

              Originally posted by aakaido
              I swear 2K don't test play or look at every aspect of the game for bugs and errors like they should. They make us the beta testers. Some of these errors and bugs I'm hearing about are dam near embarrassing.

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              The ratings used to be accurate for 2k ratings. Least on the old games.

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              • VAWereWolf65
                MVP
                • Jul 2016
                • 1734

                #37
                Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

                Bumping this again. 2k did some considerable changes to players strength attributes which is great, although some are still a little questionable.

                Here are the ones that stuck out the most:

                Kristaps Porzingis: Previously had a 35 strength, now has 73 strength

                Hassan Whiteside: Previously had a 70 strength, now has 89 strength

                Aron Baynes: Previously had a 64 strength, now has 90 strength

                Gordon Hayward: Previously had a 42 strength, now has 63 strength

                Frank Kaminsky: Previously had a 42 strength, now has 66 strength

                Brandon Wright: Previously had a 52 strength, now has 72 strength


                Avery Bradley: Previously had a 30 strength, now has 50 strength

                Khris Middleton: Previously had a 36 strength, now has 50 strength

                Willie Cauley-Stein: Previously had a 45 strength, now has 73 strength

                Justin Jackson: Previously had a 67 strength, now has 57 strength

                Jonathon Simmons: Previously had a 43 strength, now has 60 strength

                Gary Harris: Previously had a 42 strength, now has 53 strength

                Rudy Gobert: Previously had a 58 strength, now has 80 strength

                Anthony Davis: Previously had a 68 strength, now has 78 strength

                Kyle Lowry: Previously had a 70 strength, now has 67 strength

                Demar Derozan: Previously had a 48 strength, now has 57 strength

                Clint Capela: Previously had a 62 strength, now has 82 strength

                Chris Paul: Previously had a 58 strength, now has 62 strength

                P.J. Tucker: Previously had a 75 strength, now has 83 strength

                Trevor Ariza: Previously had a 45 strength, now has 60 strength

                Tarik Black: Previously had a 70 strength, now has 85 strength

                Rudy Gay: Previously had a 43 strength, now has 59 strength

                Andrew Wiggins: Previously had a 48 strength, now has 57 strength

                Meyers Leonard: Previously had a 80 strength, now has 65 strength

                Kevin Durant: Previously had a 55 strength, now has 63 strength


                Klay Thompson: Previously had a 55 strength, now has 62 strength

                Shaun Livingston: Previously had a 40 strength, now has 60 strength

                Omri Casspi: Previously had a 41 strength, now has a 63 strength

                Otto Porter: Previously had a 48 strength, now has a 60 strength
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                • Real2KInsider
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 4658

                  #38
                  Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

                  I wouldn't say those are questionable, moreso that they probably did testing on the actual effects of the attribute and decided that maybe "bench press" isn't the best way to determine it's effect.

                  Shaun Livingston is the best post-up guard in the NBA (by a large margin), but probably doesn't function as such with a poor strength.

                  Ditto for Porzingis who doesn't get pushed around like he did his first two seasons, he's one of the league's best post players and has more than his share of And'1s (including his season-ending dunk on Giannis).


                  Strength Rating Average (Update from default roster)
                  PG: 50 (-2)
                  SG: 53 (+1)
                  SF: 59 (0)
                  PF: 75 (+4)
                  C: 81 (+5)

                  FWIW in my roster I presently have
                  PG: 52
                  SG: 57
                  SF: 63
                  PF: 76
                  C: 81
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                  • VAWereWolf65
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                    • Jul 2016
                    • 1734

                    #39
                    Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

                    Originally posted by Rashidi
                    I wouldn't say those are questionable, moreso that they probably did testing on the actual effects of the attribute and decided that maybe "bench press" isn't the best way to determine it's effect.

                    Shaun Livingston is the best post-up guard in the NBA (by a large margin), but probably doesn't function as such with a poor strength.

                    Ditto for Porzingis who doesn't get pushed around like he did his first two seasons, he's one of the league's best post players and has more than his share of And'1s (including his season-ending dunk on Giannis).


                    Strength Rating Average (Update from default roster)
                    PG: 50 (-2)
                    SG: 53 (+1)
                    SF: 59 (0)
                    PF: 75 (+4)
                    C: 81 (+5)

                    FWIW in my roster I presently have
                    PG: 52
                    SG: 57
                    SF: 63
                    PF: 76
                    C: 81
                    But then there’s guys like Capela and Gobert (Who are 6’10”/240 and 7’1”/245 respectively) and neither of them are good post players on offense, and while they’re good defensive players, they certainly don’t have the imposing strength that guys like Deandre Jordan and Andre Drummond have

                    To my understanding, the strength attribute doesn’t affect how good a player is at posting up (That would be the Post Control attribute), the strength attribute mostly affects how easily a player gets backed down in the post.

                    Guys like Andrew Wiggins and Otto Porter get abused by bigger wing players in the post. Same goes for Livingston, Porzingis, Kaminsky, etc
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                    • Real2KInsider
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                      • Dec 2003
                      • 4658

                      #40
                      Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

                      Originally posted by VAWereWolf65
                      To my understanding, the strength attribute doesn’t affect how good a player is at posting up (That would be the Post Control attribute), the strength attribute mostly affects how easily a player gets backed down in the post.
                      That is more or less what I meant.

                      Guys like Andrew Wiggins and Otto Porter get abused by bigger wing players in the post. Same goes for Livingston, Porzingis, Kaminsky, etc
                      If you're talking about real life

                      Livingston Postups
                      Offense: 0.98 PPP (72nd percentile / 17% of poss, tops among PGs by a mile)
                      Defense: 0.78 PPP (72nd percentile / 10% of poss, regularly guards SGs and some SFs)

                      He is definitely one of the best post guards on both ends and has been for a long time.

                      Porzingis certainly doesn't get "abused" in the post either - he's one of the best defensive players in the league.

                      And I mean, we're talking about 7-foot Frank Kaminsky having a lower Strength rating than most 6-foot Point Guards, I wouldn't exactly call a bump to 66 "questionable".
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                      • VAWereWolf65
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                        • Jul 2016
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                        #41
                        Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

                        Originally posted by Rashidi
                        That is more or less what I meant.



                        If you're talking about real life

                        Livingston Postups
                        Offense: 0.98 PPP (72nd percentile / 17% of poss, tops among PGs by a mile)
                        Defense: 0.78 PPP (72nd percentile / 10% of poss, regularly guards SGs and some SFs)

                        He is definitely one of the best post guards on both ends and has been for a long time.

                        Porzingis certainly doesn't get "abused" in the post either - he's one of the best defensive players in the league.

                        And I mean, we're talking about 7-foot Frank Kaminsky having a lower Strength rating than most 6-foot Point Guards, I wouldn't exactly call a bump to 66 "questionable".
                        The same thing that I said about Gobert and Capela is true for Porzingis as well.

                        Good defensive player? Sure. But there’s absolutely no chance of him being able to hold his position against someone like Demarcus Cousins

                        You could even say the same for livingston. He’s a good defensive player overall, but he’s 6’7” and 190 pounds. He just doesn’t have the strength to handle bigger post up guards or wings

                        Just because they get pushed around too easily in the post doesn’t mean they automatically get scored on though. They all have the length and defensive abilities to alter shots, even if they don’t have the strength to hold their position in the post
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                        • Real2KInsider
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                          • Dec 2003
                          • 4658

                          #42
                          Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

                          Originally posted by VAWereWolf65
                          Good defensive player? Sure. But there’s absolutely no chance of him being able to hold his position against someone like Demarcus Cousins
                          At 73 Strength he is still going to get pushed around by the highest Strength player in the NBA.

                          He just won't get pushed around by Kenneth Faried too.
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                          • VAWereWolf65
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                            • Jul 2016
                            • 1734

                            #43
                            Re: Why is Hassan Whiteside so weak?

                            Originally posted by Rashidi
                            At 73 Strength he is still going to get pushed around by the highest Strength player in the NBA.

                            He just won't get pushed around by Kenneth Faried too.
                            Fair enough. I’m happy with the updates overall and i’m glad they finally took the time to update them, just think some players are a little stronger than they should be
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