2k pressuring reviewers to remove low scores?

[Vinsanity115]

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2k18 has 2.1 and 1.6 metacritic user review on Xbox and PS4 side

Good, power to the consumer. Sick of them getting the pass for this.

Now if only people can start catching on to the 'rubberband' script gameplay we might just get back to prime time nba2k...

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[Junior Moe]

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If the VC really ruined the reviewer's experience that much then they have every right to give it a 3/10 score.

If you think the reviewer shouldn't be allowed to give a score that low based off of their own reasoning then you defeat the purpose of having multiple reviewers.

"Now if they had reviewed the game and found it lacking and gave it a 3 or whatever, cool."

Exact quote. I see nothing wrong with them giving it that score if that's how they honestly review the game. I literally said that. Not sure where you're coming from... It's the protest nonsense that's over the top.

[ksuttonjr76]

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If the VC really ruined the reviewer's experience that much then they have every right to give it a 3/10 score.

If you think the reviewer shouldn't be allowed to give a score that low based off of their own reasoning then you defeat the purpose of having multiple reviewers.

Aargh...that's a fair point as much as I hate to admit it. I guess it straddles the fine line of "It's part of the game." vs "It ruined my experience". It almost feels like VC (or any virtual currency in any game) should be some form of a disclaimer statement in game reviews.

Looking at this from a different perspective, Iguess there's really a difference between understanding the situation versus experiencing the situation.

[ksuttonjr76]

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I'm happy with the overwhelming negativity towards the in your face money grabbing 2K put in this year's version, I was afraid other sports games would move towards this. Hopefully the message is clear

Well, it all depends if Consumers speak with their wallets. If 2K Sports experience an uptick in their VC profit despite the obvious money grab, then I don't see 2K Sports changing their tactic. In fact and what you're hinting at, I can see other sports title picking up the same business model.

Case in point, I'm actually considering buying VC myself to boost my character, because I really love the new game engine, and I want to play more in the MyCareer mode. My $20 could be an unexpected boost to their profit, although my decision was based more on the gameplay than being impatient.

[RumbleCard]

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As a whole I can absolutely see the justification for a 3/10 score. Although all the modes are technically playable there are glaring bugs throughout most of the game. Some of these bugs are significant enough that it becomes impossible to play the game how it was intended to be played (particularly MyLeague contract bugs).

The game play is pretty good in my opinion and the basic play now mode works well for the most part but you can't really do much past that.

Bottom line if you can't play the game how it was intended to be played...then 3/10 seems fair. This game seems like it was a good 4 months away from being finished.

[Vinsanity115]

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Well, it all depends if Consumers speak with their wallets. If 2K Sports experience an uptick in their VC profit despite the obvious money grab, then I don't see 2K Sports changing their tactic. In fact and what you're hinting at, I can see other sports title picking up the same business model.

Case in point, I'm actually considering buying VC myself to boost my character, because I really love the new game engine, and I want to play more in the MyCareer mode. My $20 could be an unexpected boost to their profit, although my decision was based more on the gameplay than being impatient.

That's the underlying problem. It absolutely is a good business model for maxamizing profit.

Every $60 VC spent, which is sadly common for the lifetime of each player, is the same as a full sale of another copy..they must be doubling their profits at least..

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[BluFu]

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"Now if they had reviewed the game and found it lacking and gave it a 3 or whatever, cool."

Exact quote. I see nothing wrong with them giving it that score if that's how they honestly review the game. I literally said that. Not sure where you're coming from... It's the protest nonsense that's over the top.

The reviewer thought that VC is a significant enough portion of the game to bring the score all the way down there. How can you say that their own criteria of their opinion on the game is false?

[Junior Moe]

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The reviewer thought that VC is a significant enough portion of the game to bring the score all the way down there. How can you say that their own criteria of their opinion on the game is false?

No. These Sixth Axis guys themselves characterized their score as a protest vote initially. They did that. That's what caused 2K to step in. Other game reviews hit 2K for VC and they are fine because, hey, it's their review. Like I said, if you want to ding the games score, which others have, for VC, that's cool. If the VC affects your enjoyment so much that it renders the game a 3 in review, that's fine. Giving it some ridiculous score as a "protest" score is something else entirely.

[swac07]

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The reviewer thought that VC is a significant enough portion of the game to bring the score all the way down there. How can you say that their own criteria of their opinion on the game is false?

That's fine if there weren't any other modes in the game. That's just like somebody giving a BF or CoD game a 3/10 because they didn't like the zombie mode....now the story mode is great the H2H multiplayer mode is great, but because he didn't agree with the zombie mode the WHOLE game is trash. It's his or her review TRUE, but it does raise an eyebrow.

This isn't a cape for 2k(If the reviewer has vc beef then that's their right) I'm just thinking what if reviewers started to take this approach with all games in the future.

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[BluFu]

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No. These Sixth Axis guys themselves characterized their score as a protest vote initially. They did that. That's what caused 2K to step in. Other game reviews hit 2K for VC and they are fine because, hey, it's their review. Like I said, if you want to ding the games score, which others have, for VC, that's cool. If the VC affects your enjoyment so much that it renders the game a 3 in review, that's fine. Giving it some ridiculous score as a "protest" score is something else entirely.

You're essentially splitting hairs here. What's really the difference between these two things? Is the word "protest" upsetting to you?

[Vinsanity115]

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No. These Sixth Axis guys themselves characterized their score as a protest vote initially. They did that. That's what caused 2K to step in. Other game reviews hit 2K for VC and they are fine because, hey, it's their review. Like I said, if you want to ding the games score, which others have, for VC, that's cool. If the VC affects your enjoyment so much that it renders the game a 3 in review, that's fine. Giving it some ridiculous score as a "protest" score is something else entirely.

Why can't they protest though? If they wanna to that, sure, go for it. People aren't going to protest a game for no reason ya know.

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[Vinsanity115]

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That's fine if there weren't any other modes in the game. That's just like somebody giving a BF or CoD game a 3/10 because they didn't like the zombie mode....now the story mode is great the H2H multiplayer mode is great, but because he didn't agree with the zombie mode the WHOLE game is trash. It's his or her review TRUE, but it does raise an eyebrow.

This isn't a cape for 2k(If the reviewer has vc beef then that's their right) I'm just thinking what if reviewers started to take this approach with all games in the future.

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Nearly forced micro-transactions is not the same thing as an added on game mode like Zombies... Plus everybody likes Zombies.

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[Junior Moe]

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You're essentially splitting hairs here. What's really the difference between these two things? Is the word "protest" upsetting to you?

Sigh...I explained it already. Whatever the case it's clearly big enough that Six Axis took down their review and amended it to remove the "protest" aspect. Everything else is the same.

[ksuttonjr76]

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You're essentially splitting hairs here. What's really the difference between these two things? Is the word "protest" upsetting to you?

"Protest" kinda implies that the score was given out of despite, so it makes the review somewhat unfair. Some people rely on reviews, so there still have to be an ethical commitment to your readers. On a scale of 1-10, a "3" is a "don't buy" game for most people. To me, that's a complete lie. If you love basketball, I think everyone and their momma should be buy this game. VC is a sore point for some, but if a consumer doesn't care about MyCareer is it really a "3" for a review score?

The reviewer is trending on a precedent where review scores may become suspect. Personally, I want to know if the game is worth buying from a gameplay perspective, and I want it left to me to decide if the VC business model is a problem. It's a fine line he's trending. If anything, I would think it would hurt his credibility as a reviewer.

[Junior Moe]

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Why can't they protest though? If they wanna to that, sure, go for it. People aren't going to protest a game for no reason ya know.

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They can protest. But as a site reviewing a product I'm guessing that there are some procedures they have to follow. There's a reason why they amended their review and removed the protest part while keeping everything else intact. Other sites hit 2K for VC and nothing happened with their reviews.