#Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

[awg811]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

Just reading some other threads and what do I see?
Someone that came in here to troll basically saying the same thing that I said when he claims to be an "offline" guy and "online" guys are a delusional lot. LMAO

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[quote name="Quentin32" post=2049023873]I still don't understand this VC complaint. I just don't get it. U don't need to pay for it at all. It does not affect me one bit. It's like people see others that paid for VC and are mad about it. If u plan on playing 2K a lot u will accumulate so much free VC u won't be able to spend it all. The game ain't even been out a week yet wtf. Hell just play everything offline if VC bother u so much lol[/QUOTE]Understandable BUT if I create myplayer to look like me why are hair and beards locked behind a paywall? I paid full price for this game and I expect something like hair and facial hair to be readily available when I create my player.

Name a current rpg game that locks parts of the create a character feature behind a paywall? This is straight up shady.

I don't mind grinding...i really don't but **** like this needs to be called out. If they don't get called out on this then they will lock face sculpting behind a paywall next year. This is how ridiculous the microtransactions are handled in this game.

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[awg811]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

It appears that I need to learn who the people are that just go around trolling threads.

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[CaseIH]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

Im not a online player, but game should be realistic no matter whether your playing online or offline against the CPU. Dont know how it plays online, but offline while its pretty good, overall best its ever been, but there are a few things needed to make it more of a tru simulation.
Obviously AI is improved, but its likely never going to be as good as a human, to where know one would say the CPU cheats you,lol, although I dont feel that way, usually if I lose its my own fault Online, unless your playing another human, who actually understands the game of basketball, your likely not going to be able to have total realism, because there are so many incompetent casual morons, that want to find every exploit within the game itself, and use it to cheat you opponent, rather than trying to find a weakness of your opponent, and exploit him rather than exploiting poor coding in the game. Sadly it seems the majority of onliners are immature and lack basketball IQ, and they ruin it for someone who wants a realistic game.
Honestly they need to find a way to split online from offline, so when they update or patch something online it dont effect offline and vice versa. Is there more missed layups in the game than there should be, yeah, I think so, but in this area since i play offline I can adjust that with the layup slider, but online players cant do that. I understand why some onliners are saying leave the game alone, because they know just a small tweak could then make it bad in the wrong way and too many shots will be made, but I can also see why some say hey there are too many missed layups. So you kind of got to take the good with the bad, a few more missed layups, versa it being way to easy, I think I would rather see a few more missed, than having it be way too easy and with how hard it seems to be for Mike Wang to adjust this, you got to take the good with the bad, as he said last yr, it dont take hardly any tweaking when adjusting to change things drasitcally.

[realtalk0131]

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It appears that I need to learn who the people are that just go around trolling threads.

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if that is the case i suggest you make only one thread for all online impression for all your online complains instead of scattered in every thread how the game is not in your favour. coz i rarely see any offline players complain a lot. they actually praise the game. so yes you will get a lot of feedback from the sim heads bcoz of the above mention.

nobody is trolling, sim offline heads just dont agree with a lot of online users. thats all.Peace.

[shayellis]

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To the people who are saying it's offline of course it isnt realistic:
2k cannot control how a user plays the game, but they can certainly balance the game and tune what is successful. 2k can reward realistic basketball decisions and punish bad basketball.
So as far as online being unrealistic, A player can play unrealistic but 2k can give punish their unrealistic gameplay

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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

To the people who are saying it's offline of course it isnt realistic:
2k cannot control how a user plays the game, but they can certainly balance the game and tune what is successful. 2k can reward realistic basketball decisions and punish bad basketball.
So as far as online being unrealistic, A player can play unrealistic but 2k can give punish their unrealistic gameplay

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And that's how you break the game. Patching the game to "force" realism for a mode that's centered around creating a god-like player. The MyPlayer mode has ruined this game for THREE YEARS STRAIGHT. Minus some obvious glitches, it's so RARE that people who use the OTHER modes complain to the levels that the MyPlayer crowd do.

This thread was just another complaint about MyPlayer and VC.

[awg811]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

if that is the case i suggest you make only one thread for all online impression for all your online complains instead of scattered in every thread how the game is not in your favour. coz i rarely see any offline players complain a lot. they actually praise the game. so yes you will get a lot of feedback from the sim heads bcoz of the above mention.

nobody is trolling, sim offline heads just dont agree with a lot of online users. thats all.Peace.

I'll break this down one last time for all of you trolls that think that because you play strictly offline that you somehow have the final say on what is realistic and what is not.

You yourself have been called a troll in multiple threads so this likely won't register with you.

If you would read, you would know that I am not strictly an online or offline player.
You would also understand that I've likely been playing sports games before you were even born and long before there was even online sports gaming.
I was a sim head before being a sim head was even a thing.

I've spent countless hours trying to find the right balance of sliders to get competitive realistic games on multiple sports games throughout the years.

I finally gave up because no matter what, you will become familiar with what the cpu is restricted by and you will eventually exploit those flaws without even knowing it.

The CPU doesn't have the ability to make human judgement, adjustments, or mistakes. But can be forced into mistakes by what the user does. The user becomes familiar with these issues and either consciously or subconsciously will force those mistakes to happen.

You can say that you know those flaws and adjust for them by intentionally not doing them.
I call BS because when the games on then line you will do whatever is needed to win the game.
And if you do either of those things, intentionally not doing them or not doing whatever you can to win the game, you are in fact, not playing sim basketball.

You are adjusting to fact that it's not sim basketball and either exploiting the flaw or exploiting yourself and the game of basketball by not playing sim basketball.
No basketball team that I've ever heard of would not cause a turnover just because they know they can nearly every time.

For those of you that think that just because someone plays online that they can't be sim players, I've got news for you.
For those of you that think that just because someone plays online that they are a 12 year old cheeser, I've got news for you.
For those of you that think that playing online doesn't require skill, I've got news for you.
For those of you that don't think a group of 5 high IQ sim players would dominate all the 12 year old cheesers in pro am, I've got news for you.
For those for you that think playing real sim basketball, running plays and playing great defense isn't possible online, I've got news for you.

The challenge is finding people that can and do play high IQ sim basketball online!

I challenge all of you "strictly offline" players to play 10 walk on Pro Am games by yourself and see how hard it is to actually play basketball.
And then, if you think that you'd like to try again playing with the few online sim players that I've been able to find, add me on XBL - Tony Two Steps
I'm always looking for good basketball players to run with.
I would love to get a group together that wants to work on plays, start a team, play sim basketball, and dominate the pro am league. Because if you play sim basketball you will!

Then you will see that the problems that I've stated previously are both offline and online problems, but online they are 10 times worse.

Cheesers do ruin the game, but not all online players are "cheesers". Some of us are "sim heads".
And a group of sim heads will beat a group of cheesers nearly 100% of the time!




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[itsGameOverKM]

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you cannot put realistic and online in the same sentence. i played 1 pro am in my entire life and saw a bunch of players rebound and drive the ball coast to coast so yeah stop with the BS. stop justifying this realistic online thing.

I feel like some people should remember you just trying to compare Pro-Am with NBA. Go watch some video of some Pro-Am tournaments/games from Drew League or "The Basketball Tournament" (TBT) and compare that. More realistic towards Pro Am in the game.

[shayellis]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

And that's how you break the game. Patching the game to "force" realism for a mode that's centered around creating a god-like player. The MyPlayer mode has ruined this game for THREE YEARS STRAIGHT. Minus some obvious glitches, it's so RARE that people who use the OTHER modes complain to the levels that the MyPlayer crowd do.

This thread was just another complaint about MyPlayer and VC.

Well this whole thread has been about the online portion. 2k is taking part in eleague so of course they shouldnt have every player be a god. Should they separate online and offline mycareer, yes. But you did confirm my "patch fears theory", that people are sidestepping or making excuses for the games flaw because of patch fears being the underlying foundation. 2k is going to patch this game at some point, or should we just not patch anything so we never risk a possible bug popping up?

[itsGameOverKM]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

Well this whole thread has been about the online portion. 2k is taking part in eleague so of course they shouldnt have every player be a god. Should they separate online and offline mycareer, yes. But you did confirm my "patch fears theory", that people are sidestepping or making excuses for the games flaw because of patch fears being the underlying foundation. 2k is going to patch this game at some point, or should we just not patch anything so we never risk a possible bug popping up?

E-League is separate. Players will all be 80's or something according to one of the organizers in an interview I saw.

[TheDuggler]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

Online play will never be realistic because online players (almost) never play realistically. There is nothing 2K can patch or change to affect this. Even if they did find a way to enforce some realistic play, BasketBallGawd69 would post a video on youtube the next day with the latest cheese tactic/build and it would just go back to how it always is.

[awg811]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

Online play will never be realistic because online players (almost) never play realistically. There is nothing 2K can patch or change to affect this. Even if they did find a way to enforce some realistic play, BasketBallGawd69 would post a video on youtube the next day with the latest cheese tactic/build and it would just go back to how it always is.

But you're wrong. Sim players constantly beating cheesers will force cheesers to go back to the park where they belong.

And having 2k fix the build flaws, and other major issues such as respecting defensive position, would not or should I say should not affect gameplay.

Having 2k fix flaws to "force realism", as someone said, is all that people that play online can do as opposed to offline players "forcing realism" by adjusting sliders.

Do the vast majority of 12 year olds cry to 2k simply because they aren't skilled, yes. But not all of us are 12 year olds.

It's on 2k to find their games flaws and fix them before they sell the game. And then to figure out who the cheesers and 12 olds are and ignore them. It's not hard to figure out.

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[realtalk0131]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

It appears that I need to learn who the people are that just go around trolling threads.

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I'll break this down one last time for all of you trolls that think that because you play strictly offline that you somehow have the final say on what is realistic and what is not.

You yourself have been called a troll in multiple threads so this likely won't register with you.

If you would read, you would know that I am not strictly an online or offline player.
You would also understand that I've likely been playing sports games before you were even born and long before there was even online sports gaming.
I was a sim head before being a sim head was even a thing.

I've spent countless hours trying to find the right balance of sliders to get competitive realistic games on multiple sports games throughout the years.

I finally gave up because no matter what, you will become familiar with what the cpu is restricted by and you will eventually exploit those flaws without even knowing it.

The CPU doesn't have the ability to make human judgement, adjustments, or mistakes. But can be forced into mistakes by what the user does. The user becomes familiar with these issues and either consciously or subconsciously will force those mistakes to happen.

You can say that you know those flaws and adjust for them by intentionally not doing them.
I call BS because when the games on then line you will do whatever is needed to win the game.
And if you do either of those things, intentionally not doing them or not doing whatever you can to win the game, you are in fact, not playing sim basketball.

You are adjusting to fact that it's not sim basketball and either exploiting the flaw or exploiting yourself and the game of basketball by not playing sim basketball.
No basketball team that I've ever heard of would not cause a turnover just because they know they can nearly every time.

For those of you that think that just because someone plays online that they can't be sim players, I've got news for you.
For those of you that think that just because someone plays online that they are a 12 year old cheeser, I've got news for you.
For those of you that think that playing online doesn't require skill, I've got news for you.
For those of you that don't think a group of 5 high IQ sim players would dominate all the 12 year old cheesers in pro am, I've got news for you.
For those for you that think playing real sim basketball, running plays and playing great defense isn't possible online, I've got news for you.

The challenge is finding people that can and do play high IQ sim basketball online!

I challenge all of you "strictly offline" players to play 10 walk on Pro Am games by yourself and see how hard it is to actually play basketball.
And then, if you think that you'd like to try again playing with the few online sim players that I've been able to find, add me on XBL - Tony Two Steps
I'm always looking for good basketball players to run with.
I would love to get a group together that wants to work on plays, start a team, play sim basketball, and dominate the pro am league. Because if you play sim basketball you will!

Then you will see that the problems that I've stated previously are both offline and online problems, but online they are 10 times worse.

Cheesers do ruin the game, but not all online players are "cheesers". Some of us are "sim heads".
And a group of sim heads will beat a group of cheesers nearly 100% of the time!




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First of all nobody's trolling here it just annoying that all online people creating different thread with the same complain why??? thats why just have one thread for all your comments about the game exclusively online. if your sick of "offline sim heads coming at you is because maybe they sick of seeing the same thing from online players here" did it even cross your mind.

2nd what you trying to achieve will never be possible and i dont even need to explain that since you are already playin online.

im not here to go back and forth with you since you think you are older than me which means you are smarter and get the point already. but online and realistic will never ever happen. and regarding about offline and being sim yes there are sim heads play the game like how they see their favourite team/players play and dont feel bad if they loose at least for me. Peace again nobody trolling more of just sick of i guess. Peace

[awg811]

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First of all nobody's trolling here it just annoying that all online people creating different thread with the same complain why??? thats why just have one thread for all your comments about the game exclusively online. if your sick of "offline sim heads coming at you is because maybe they sick of seeing the same thing from online players here" did it even cross your mind.

2nd what you trying to achieve will never be possible and i dont even need to explain that since you are already playin online.

im not here to go back and forth with you since you think you are older than me which means you are smarter and get the point already. but online and realistic will never ever happen. and regarding about offline and being sim yes there are sim heads play the game like how they see their favourite team/players play and dont feel bad if they loose at least for me. Peace again nobody trolling more of just sick of i guess. Peace

As you said yourself, you've played 1 pro am game. That's not nearly enough to have an informed opinion.

As for the online offline separation, that's on the people that run this forum not for me.

I don't have a problem with online vs offline because, once again, I play both. I read threads that deal with issues for both, because both effect me.

But I don't go from thread to thread telling people how wrong they are and how much more I know than them since I've played 1 pro am game.
If I don't like the thread, I won't read it or comment on it.
Unfortunately you do.



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[Sasquash]

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Realism is out the window I don't even see the option anymore for simulation sliders anymore... so much for saying put the game on HOF SIM when I face friends or people online. Then to make matters worse 2K has the nerve to make layups and driving to the paint easier?