#Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

[awg811]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

I was hoping for big changes for 18, but when you peel it back, there's really not much that is good about this game. I don't play mycareer and I can't imagine how bad that is. It really starts with the complete lack of awareness of the defense to stop turbo spam off inbounds (legacy issue that is game breaking online). This year is the worst by far. Basically, if you intend to run a half court offense forget this game; your opponent will just stand in the paint while you try to score against the CPU. In years past, you could be quite effective if you actually tried to run an offense. Not this year. After 16, it's been a slow and definite decline. Pretty cool additions to the movement system, but at the end of the day this game is terrible. Graphically better than Live, but as far as simulation, they're basically the same.

I agree at times and disagree at times.

There really is beauty to be found in this game. It's just hidden by some fixable but glaring issues.

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[Black Bruce Wayne]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

Sports gaming is dead

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[HeatLifer]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

Bear in mind, some of us played before... if not before online existed, before many people actually did it. Some of us played before 5 on 5 modes were a thing as well.

So, it's better to consider 'us' as offline sim players who moved onto another mode because... I don't know how anyone can make the argument that offline is better than 5 v 5 online. haha. You can say bad players, true, but then get good players. You have to have played a game against the people who are really good and don't exploit (they exist and they will bust your ***) and the people who are really good and do exploit (they are obviously better than the former.)

You have to see what the one brand of basketball looks like then see the second and say, is it really an 'artificial patch forcing people to play sim' if they make it so that what the second group is doing doesn't work anymore? If they find new exploits (exploits happen in every game) patch them, too.

Remember when you could just sit under the rim in park, setting a pick for as long as you wanted to, then jump and grab the board? Those are the kind of 'imbalances' and 'exploits' that make their way into 2k, basically nullifying every other play style at the highest level. That's why stage (that and getting kicked from the games and losing your vc) was unbearable for me.

It's like, I had a lot of fun playing 2k7 on ps2. I was like o ya I'm a beast; I'm in the top 100. I was if not beating the best people playing them close, then I met the guy who would throw full court passes to T-Mac and dunk every time, all while having Yao and Mutombo in at bigs. Maybe I could have adjusted and eventually won, I didn't lose badly, but... it's true people will do whatever they can do to win, but that sort of stuff shouldn't even be an option.

Patching that sort of stuff is good for the game. It will make it more fun for everyone.

Keep in mind, people who are saying they want the game to be more realistic are likely asking for it to be much harder... how can that be whining?

-Smak

Offline > online for realism. And if realistic is what people want I'm all for it, but the devs need to stick by their guns and not change anything major for a full cycle to understand what is truly needed, as opposed to people not adjusting to what's actually implemented.

[michaelsan]

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I posted something against the guy who made this post saying that online is not realism at all and I've got attacked by him and some other kiddos but then I've stopped to follow this post.
Now i see so many people backing me up and you guys think the same.
I'm so glad, I just wish they'd do a version for NBA 2k just for online and e-sports and they would not bother offline simulation anymore.

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[realtalk0131]

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Can a mod edit this title to Mypark, Pro Am realism?? Im thinking this was about PNO or offline.

yes please change this to online thing coz the thread title seems to speak in general and nobody agrees with online users besides online users. we are all good on this side. Peace

[ILLSmak]

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Offline > online for realism. And if realistic is what people want I'm all for it, but the devs need to stick by their guns and not change anything major for a full cycle to understand what is truly needed, as opposed to people not adjusting to what's actually implemented.

I feel like the word a lot of people are looking for is 'immersive,' not realistic. I can understand where that is coming from because if you play only offline, it's going to be a shock to see what works online. However, I think if you get over that initial stage, you can be better off.

Think of it this way: how can something be realistic if you are playing against a bot or a team of bots? They do not have a will (so you can't get in their head) and if they have randomness, it's just a quirk, like guys running off 3 point shooters to simulate bad defense. If you play vs the computer and you put it on a higher difficulty to make it a challenge, each player is then artificially boosted in their abilities. Still, they are consistent. You will have to find new things that work because of the 'stronger than their real counterpart' computers, but it's not going to surprise you as much as online would, because it's not random.

If you play head to head, you still need a great knowledge of how to exploit the cpu. It's more like foosball than a 5 on 5 mode where each player has their own will, discord is possible, mistakes are possible, etc.

Then you have a game mode where each player is controlled by a user. The user might be bad, they might be using overly juiced myplayers (altho you can play w/ real nba teams. I know dudes who have been doing 5 on 5 leagues for years, writing down stats and such, I assume.) What can be more realistic than that, and why shouldn't you balance the game off of that?

Offline is immersive because no one can come in and burst your bubble. However, it is so predictable that I can't call it realistic. It's fun for a change, and it's fun to do, as I said, a kind of role playing. I actually prefer to mostly sim games when I would play franchise because it's too much of a joke to play the cpu. Its fun to jump in once in awhile and bust them up.

If you ever felt that any of us were saying "just get gud and play online" that's not exactly it, from me at least. It's worth it once you feel comfortable, though. However, I feel like somehow a few of you guys had really bad experiences online and never went back (as evidenced by this thread, dude even said so); that's cool, but I also feel like you guys think we, who play online, somehow are like those people who you had the poor experience with, and I hope you don't think that... because I, for one, am not one of those people.

There may be whiny people who are clamoring for more greens or whatever, but what I want (and probably what most of us who post on OS want) is a game that feels like real basketball online. It's not a pipe dream. Also support for 5 on 5 leagues, just sayin haha.

-Smak

[awg811]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

The good news for those that play strictly offline is that Mike Wang, somewhere in these forums, said that they (2k) can adjust/patch online and offline separately.

Hopefully, that will cut back on those "offline" players that come in and attack people because they "think" they have some superior knowledge or assume that "online" players don't know basketball.

This game is directed and mostly designed for online play.

2k offers a $250,000 reward for playing online and partners with the NBA to pay people to play 5v5 against other human players online.
I don't see any of this for "offline" play.



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[tril]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

for both online and offline. If you play within the confines of what 2k is trying to accomplish you will get a realistic experience. Too often users both online and offline play these games to exploit holes in a game, not necessarily bugs. then they continue to abuse said hole.

you get this issue year in and year out with every type of game, not just sports.

at this point in time I fully understand 2k's game mechanics and direction with the game to fully immerse myself to get a close to authentic sim experience.

kudos 2k

[geezy]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

Realism is an NBA players salary being more than a pair of shoes.

[awg811]

Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

Realism is an NBA players salary being more than a pair of shoes.

There's no rookie in the league that makes less per game than a pair of shoes cost!

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[Csmooove32]

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I know most of you guys are offline gamers, I’m a big myleague guy myself but let’s be honest this game wouldn’t sell if it wasn’t for online. It’s 2017 not 2007 we should be able to get sim style play in online modes period.

[CaseIH]

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I know most of you guys are offline gamers, I’m a big myleague guy myself but let’s be honest this game wouldn’t sell if it wasn’t for online. It’s 2017 not 2007 we should be able to get sim style play in online modes period.

Thats very true, if there was no online, they wouldnt have made the advancements that the game has made over the past several yrs, because they wouldnt have had the financial means to do it.

Im a offline only guy who only cares about the Association, nothing else, matter of fact I only play MyLeague, but if MyGm, ever becomes good with CPU controlled teams being smarter and not this stupid story line forced upon you, atleast gives us a few different stories, rather than 1 forced upon you, then I would play that mode as well as MyLeague.

Regardless whether you a offline or online player, you should be able to get a realistic simulation of basketball. As I said in a previous post, unless your playing with guys who understand the game of basketball online, your going to get those who will look for any type of exploit/flaw in the game to cheat people unfortunately, rather than looking for weaknesses in their opponent to exploit to beat them that you would do IRL as a player or coach. Not sure the devs will ever be able to fully stop this altogether.

In many ways the introduction of online play has improved the game greatly, but in some ways its also hurt the game for offline players, because I think devs tend to cater a little to much towards the crybabies online, and why we dont see more realistic turnovers and fouls, because if they did, so many onliners would be crying that the game is broke, when its actually they just suck and have low basketball IQ's, and why there players are fouling out and turning the ball over constantly.

Thats where I have the most trouble with the devs, not making it realistic in those 2 areas. My feeling is, seperate the 2 then, and make fouls slider adjustment have more impact. Also improve the non steal turnovers, as on average IRL teams average anywhere from around 12-18 turnovers, and you will see teams have game were they turn it over 28+ times, that practically impossible unless the most of them are steals that is.

The devs do have a hard job of trying to please both online and offline, the casual/clueless fans, and the hardcore fans of both online and offline. If they just catered to 1 group they likley wouldnt make enough money to make a game, or a good game anyway, so I feel for them, because sometimes they get cursed at, and called some awful things that are uncalled for, as I know they are trying and wanting to make a good game for everyone to enjoy no matter whether your online,offline, casual or hardcore fans.

[tril]

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I know most of you guys are offline gamers, I’m a big myleague guy myself but let’s be honest this game wouldn’t sell if it wasn’t for online. It’s 2017 not 2007 we should be able to get sim style play in online modes period.

to piggyback off my last statement. that' the thing about on line. You have to find the like minded individuals to appreciate the game in its beauty. its like that for team based shooters also.

just like in real life, a dominate selfish scorer at playground, or a scrub who knows nothing about basketball can ruin the entire experience.

there is no way around this, its a luck of the draw. Im not an online 2k gamer, but 2k could flesh out their on line game play by providing users with analytics of other players. they could even go a step further and separate type users by those same analytical parameters, but that would most likely be a huge investment with no ROI (return on investment). so it wont happen in the near future

[YungThugga08]

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I've played a few Pro-Am games within the past few years on 2k. I'm not the best at it, but I just play as a good teammate. I don't do all the unnecessary stuff.

I hate people that spam and ballhog.

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