Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

[dahlzy19]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

You don't understand why it's a gripe because you're not trying to understand.

The main gripe is you can do EVERYTHING right in a game of 2k and still lose because somebody else's shots are falling and their getting lucky. The main people who think it's a problem cannot adjust sliders.

I completely get your viewpoint and I've wanted to throw my controller at my TV a few times when I miss 6 wide open threes in a row off a pick and roll with a B+ three-point shooter BUT that is somewhat realistic. That is sports, man. Hockey, football, basketball, you name it. You can absolutely dominate somebody and still lose. It's the exact reason I love sports so much.

Once again, I get your perspective though. This is a game. No one wants to play Jerry Noobs-a-lot and lose because your open shots aren't going in.

I think a lot of people, including myself, just lose perspective of the sport and get caught up in the "video game". Whenever I get pissed I always think about how stressful it'd be to be a coach in the NBA and have your boy clanking shots and turning the ball over.

One more point, I can barely play online anymore because it isn't basketball....it's video game basketball, which isn't fun. I think that's what a lot of people have issues with.

Video game basketball (cheesing and unorganized play) doesn't mesh well with realistic shooting %'s, IMO.

[derlaid]

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Yeah that's a fair point dahlzy, I think people just want different things from their experience and they can't deliver on everything.

On the other hand there's nothing stopping them from making video game basketball something that rewards teamwork and "good" basketball playing instead of back and forth high screens and contested pull ups from beyond the arc. Doesn't have to be like that in every mode -- certainly Park allows for an arcade experience, but the rest doesn't have to be that way.

[REEality]

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Since so many ppl are complaining about missing wide open 3s:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/w...-defenses-pay/

Its from reddit. Nba teams have 35-45% form wide open 3s, Steph has 46%.

THANK YOU SIR!!!!! People just do not get this

[jfsolo]

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THANK YOU SIR!!!!! People just do not get this

I'm realizing now that a lot of people do know the real percentages, but they just flat out want the percentages to be much higher because it a video game, and realism shouldn't apply in their minds.

[bcruise]

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I'm realizing now that a lot of people do know the real percentages, but they just flat out want the percentages to be much higher because it a video game, and realism shouldn't apply in their minds.

It's partly that, but it's also because people want to feel like their "stick skills" should matter over everything else, and they're perfectly willing to trample realism to accomplish it.

This sort of complaint has become more and more prevalent in all sports video game discussion (and ALL over OS), and because of all the complaints I fear we're reaching the end of an era in the genre where ratings and dice rolls will keep game results in check. Every time the "skill gap" widens to where users are given more control, a little more potential for simulation and realistic results is lost.

[Rsnake21]

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I'm realizing now that a lot of people do know the real percentages, but they just flat out want the percentages to be much higher because it a video game, and realism shouldn't apply in their minds.

I'm not talking about any other mode when I say this because I'm not familiar with it. I don't understand as a pro am player why you wouldn't want the most control of the outcome as possible? In real life when you miss a shot you're in 100% control of that outcome, not some unknown random algorithm that decides you should miss the shot. As a competitive pro am player the last few years I thought shooting was great(for the most part). It's the bad defense mechanics and unreal screens that made it ridiculous. The way it was last year the defense and offense were in control of the outcome

[DonWuan]

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Us sim folks just want to make a decent clip from mid range with 90+ rated mid range shooters thats not coming off animations.

I dont mind missing at all. Love it.

Game is very scripted.

[xCoachDx]

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Us sim folks just want to make a decent clip from mid range with 90+ rated mid range shooters thats not coming off animations.



I dont mind missing at all. Love it.



Game is very scripted.

Scripted is a good word for it. People are looking purely at the final numbers rather than seeing how they got to those numbers. If I go 8-20, missing 12 wide open shots and making 8 contested ones, yeah the final numbers are accurate, but the way I got to those numbers is not.


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[temo4three]

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Most people on this thread trying to prove their point about shooting being broken have 2 or 3 game sample size. Can we get some stats from a bigger sample size, including how contested the shot was, your release, the defender's badges... Then we can really analyze this. Otherwise we are just pulling number s that fit our narratives.

[DonWuan]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

Scripted is a good word for it. People are looking purely at the final numbers rather than seeing how they got to those numbers. If I go 8-20, missing 12 wide open shots and making 8 contested ones, yeah the final numbers are accurate, but the way I got to those numbers is not.


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Yeah just hate the corner 3 goes in at a high clip no matter who is shooting it.

I guess I'm a old head but I LOVE the mid range. My favorite part of basketball. I know things have changed but if I'm running a great offense and getting good wide open looks consistently, I expect some to fall.

Certain parts of the game just feels blah.

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[EveretteWarren]

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Eh. Maybe I just dont relate to what y’all do. I understand y’all want real numbers and real life percentages but.. why do you give me a 99 open, contested, and off dribble midrange with Hall of Fame Difficult Shots, Midrange Deadeye, and Tireless Scorer but miss wide open, open, lightly contested shots a lot. I understand you don’t make every shot IRL. I completely get it, but just don’t give me all of that then.

Just my opinion on it. I know simheads love shooting 35-45% from 3 with a 90 3 and badges but I’m just not feeling it.

I’ll try turning my shot meter off and see what happens.

[Dione2014]

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The problem is most hoops gamers think they want realism but they don't. a lot of them don't even know what real basketball looks like outside of some SC highlights and youtube glamor reels. The percentages between open shots and contested shots aren't all that different in reality. At most a players shooting percentage will drop about 10 percent with a hand in his face vs open. This is mainly because of a thing called rhythm (which 2K has never implemented correctly btw). It's the sole reason Curry can hit 47 of 50 open shot's in practice catch & shoot and other drills to build reps, but in a game can only manage 40-50% on open shots.

The defense is simply not going to let you comfortably get to your spots, because they know that once you let a good or elite scorer get into a rhythm, It's game over. Once a player is warm, your little hand in his face isn't going to do much unless you're standing in his shooting pocket basically. Even then you still might get torched. There's a reason Tony Allen has been in the NBA so long despite him being offensively challenged. Being able to hold a scorer to 40% shooting is extremely tough work for about a 5% different. kobe still managed to put up 43 on him despite a damn near perfect defensive cover. That says a lot about how effective defense really is.

[xCoachDx]

Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

Just went 0-9 in an online game. All 9 threes were wide open, 7 of them good releases with 85+ three point rating. My opponent hit only 3 threes, one of them was a contested fadeaway from about four feet beyond the three point line.

Don't tell me there's nothing wrong with what's going on. I have had this kind of thing in every single game since release. How it can be argued is crazy to me.

Whether it's the shot meter, the release feedback, or the sliders, SOMETHING is off.

Also, I assume we are all discussing this problem being in online play right? Because I don't notice this sort of thing in other game modes. I mean PlayGround is full of people hitting threes from all over the place.

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[xCoachDx]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

The problem is most hoops gamers think they want realism but they don't. a lot of them don't even know what real basketball looks like outside of some SC highlights and youtube glamor reels. The percentages between open shots and contested shots aren't all that different in reality. At most a players shooting percentage will drop about 10 percent with a hand in his face vs open. This is mainly because of a thing called rhythm (which 2K has never implemented correctly btw). It's the sole reason Curry can hit 47 of 50 open shot's in practice catch & shoot and other drills to build reps, but in a game can only manage 40-50% on open shots.



The defense is simply not going to let you comfortably get to your spots, because they know that once you let a good or elite scorer get into a rhythm, It's game over. Once a player is warm, your little hand in his face isn't going to do much unless you're standing in his shooting pocket basically. Even then you still might get torched. There's a reason Tony Allen has been in the NBA so long despite him being offensively challenged. Being able to hold a scorer to 40% shooting is extremely tough work for about a 5% different. kobe still managed to put up 43 on him despite a damn near perfect defensive cover. That says a lot about how effective defense really is.

A lot of this is true, but doesn't reflect why we're having issues in 2K18. I wish I could get my gameplay to upload, but I had a game days ago that I've talked about a few times, guy was running zone and was leaving the corner wide open. I had Wayne Ellington and Dion Waiters consistently just sitting in the corner and hitting them with catch and shoot threes. I think my final numbers were 8-22, with nearly all of them being wide open/good release. Those guys would shoot better numbers than that 99% of the time if they were left wide open and shooting in rhythm like that.


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[Keith01]

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Idk, I think shooting is decent right now. Seen plenty of Sharps drain easy. Really don't want this thread to become the basis of a new patch that makes Sharpshooters completely godlike and unstoppable like 2k17.