2K19: Long Pass Spam

[jeebs9]

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For full court passes, it seems only players that have high defensive ratings have the forethought to run after terrible passes and intercept them (which I don't agree with because it doesn't take skill to take a couple of steps to catch such a terrible pass attempt). Other than that, the CPU will only deny a passing lane off a full court pass if they are directly in the line of the pass and can stand still and catch it.

Its hilariously easy to through 3/4 and full court passes to players that are surrounded by 3 defenders. At most the offensive player will bobble the ball a bit. How they don't get stolen or tipped in the air 95% of the time is beyond me

I might be going crazy. But I haven't seen many of the passes that your saying completed into successful plays.

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[Kushmir]

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Other than that, the CPU will only deny a passing lane off a full court pass if they are directly in the line of the pass and can stand still and catch it.

Exactly this. If the defender needs to move or sprint towards the ball at all? Its not going to happen....they'll sit and watch.

[Kushmir]

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Another reason the belief that "these passes are ok" thing doesn't jive is because imagine McConnell is Steph curry or any good shooter in the play below he scores...defenses are just gonna concede him an open shot like that? I doubt it.

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And finally, if you're OK with those reactions...you have to be OK with them everywhere on the court...

When passes are thrown into the paint to elite scorers (or anyone for that matter) it breaks the game because, News Flash: They're in automatic scoring position...and if you think they're not gonna convert at a high rate you're crazy.

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Still OK with defenders sitting and watching?

[The 24th Letter]

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Another reason the belief that "these passes are ok" thing doesn't jive is because imagine McConnell is Steph curry or any good shooter...defenses are just gonna concede him an open shot like that? I doubt it.

And finally, if you're OK with those reactions...you have to be OK with them everywhere on the court...

When passes are thrown into the paint to elite scorers (or anyone for that matter) it breaks the game because, News Flash: They're in automatic scoring position...and if you think they're not gonna convert at a high rate you're crazy.

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Still OK with defenders sitting and watching?

No, we shouldn't put 'long passes' in a box because that's how we go from one extreme to another.

I mean, the should just fly out of bounds in this video? I definitely cant vibe with that. The solution should be Joel Embid in proper position facing Cousins.

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[jfsolo]

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No, we shouldn't put 'long passes' in a box because that's how we go from one extreme to another.

I mean, the should just fly out of bounds in this video? I definitely cant vibe with that. The solution should be Joel Embid in proper position facing Cousins.

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Yeah, bogus outcomes as a band-aid to deal with flawed defensive transition logic is doubling down on bad design. Fixing the defensive awareness, positioning, and reaction time is the only viable solution.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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No more elementary fumbling passes and throwing good passes out of bounds . Just give the defense better awareness and tools to combat it.

[jeebs9]

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Another reason the belief that "these passes are ok" thing doesn't jive is because imagine McConnell is Steph curry or any good shooter...defenses are just gonna concede him an open shot like that? I doubt it.

And finally, if you're OK with those reactions...you have to be OK with them everywhere on the court...

When passes are thrown into the paint to elite scorers (or anyone for that matter) it breaks the game because, News Flash: They're in automatic scoring position...and if you think they're not gonna convert at a high rate you're crazy.



Still OK with defenders sitting and watching?

No, we shouldn't put 'long passes' in a box because that's how we go from one extreme to another.

I mean, the should just fly out of bounds in this video? I definitely cant vibe with that. The solution should be Joel Embid in proper position facing Cousins.

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Yeah, bogus outcomes as a band-aid to deal with flawed defensive transition logic is doubling down on bad design. Fixing the defensive awareness, positioning, and reaction time is the only viable solution.

No more elementary fumbling passes and throwing good passes out of bounds . Just give the defense better awareness and tools to combat it.

So guys.... I've just played a bunch of games just because this thread is pissing me off lol. I found out what the problem is!

It's Joel Embid.....

His pass perception is 64. That's the defensive radar I've been talking about. I just played my cousin in a few games just to try out some passes I've seen from Kush. Kushmir keeps showing us Sixers clips. I basically couldn't make any of the passes against anyone over 70. Also notice the league avg for Center position was 64.


One of the other things I want to mention. Is that you can not spam long passes the whole game and expect to win. Too many turnovers and ball fumbling animations to stay in a game.


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[Kushmir]

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No, we shouldn't put 'long passes' in a box because that's how we go from one extreme to another.

I mean, the should just fly out of bounds in this video? I definitely cant vibe with that. The solution should be Joel Embid in proper position facing Cousins.

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The MAIN solution should be proper awareness/positioning by Embiid and other defenders...we can move more than one needle tho.

I'm not advocating not being able to make long passes. But just like elite shooters miss shots....elite passers miss as well. They just have a much higher ratio of makes than everyone else.

2K has to be careful not to copy Maddens 'perfection model' that rewards user agency by having zero mistakes, curry and other shooters hitting every open 3....that kind of thing.

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[jeebs9]

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The MAIN solution should be proper awareness/poisoning by Embiid and other defenders...we can move more than one needle tho.

I'm not advocating not being able to make long passes. But just like elite shooters miss shots....elite passers miss as well. They just have a much higher ratio of makes than everyone else.

2K has to be careful not to copy Maddens 'perfection model' that rewards user agency by having zero mistakes, curry and other shooters hitting every open 3....that kind of thing.

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I've heard this said a few times now in this thread. I'm talking about comparing Madden Dev to 2k Dev. Why are we talking about Madden Dev here? 2k has dropped new small updates to their System. Like... The defensive radar I just brought up. Users just can't lead pass into the lane like years before. Even the title of this thread is wrong. It's not possible to spam long passes and be successful. 2k16 was bad. Until they patched. Problem was you couldn't throw any long passes after that. 2k17 was just as bad. This year they actually fixed it (IMO). They actually took my suggest I posted over and over the last 2 years. Good passes can make the pass to an open player. If he's covered he should fumble the ball. If the defender is covering him. He loses the ball. A bad passers should be able to hit a open player. But it's a dice roll if the fumble animation happens. But a bad passers won't be able to hit a covered player. I've tried it does not work.

I just don't agree with this rhetoric that 2k is sitting in their *** not improving the gameplay. I wouldn't come back to this game every year if that was the case.

Also your saying Lonzo Ball shouldn't be able to hit a long pass? I'm confused about what your asking for now after this post. Are you saying Lonzo Ball (who passes very well) shouldn't or should be able to make long passes?

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[Kushmir]

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Also your saying Lonzo Ball shouldn't be able to hit a long pass? I'm confused about what your asking for now after this post. Are you saying Lonzo Ball (who passes very well) shouldn't or should be able to make long passes?

*Sigh*...all the times i've said good passers should be able to make long passes:

1. "Hit ahead passes when no defender is there? FINE. I've got zero issue with a good passer making that play."

2. "Long passes In the correct situation is the operative term...i've never had a problem there."

3. "I'm not advocating not being able to make long passes."

At some point you're going to have to address what i'm ACTUALLY saying and not what your IMAGINATION is telling you.

[jeebs9]

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Sigh...all the times i've said good passers should be able to make long passes:

1. "Hit ahead passes when no defender is there? FINE. I've got zero issue with a good passer making that play."

2. "Long passes In the correct situation is the operative term...i've never had a problem there."

3. "I'm not advocating not being able to make long passes."

At some point you're going to have to address what i'm ACTUALLY saying and what your IMAGINATION is telling you.

Yeah, I still don't see where your saying that. Sounds like you want to no long passes at all.

Have you ever tried it with other bigs? Like I said in my other post? Maybe Embid is just not that good lol jk

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[Kushmir]

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Its not just the big tho, man...(even though Embiid should be facing the ball on his goal-tend) look at Cov on the play when AD is running buck naked down the middle of the floor, or McConnell on the long pass to Cousins, look at KAT on the play where I throw it to McConnell up the sideline....you're telling me the other defenders with their backs to the ball isn't unacceptable?

On the McConnell play you're saying the other defenders don't see that full-court heave and are gonna give me an open shot just because the user blew the defense with Tyus Jones?

That's just not how help defense works or reacts...not at all. Scary part? Sixers defense is a 91. Cov's pass perception is an 87, Ben's is an 85, McConnell's is an 80.

Those guys should be facing the ball and ready to react. Transition Defense is a team thing.

Guys sitting and watching instead of reacting is VERY BAD.

[Kushmir]

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Game from this morning....if you can ignore all the offensive rebounds (by the shooter no less) horrible block timing (some by me) and steal spam...just watch the AI transition defenders: RI-DIC-U-LOUS.

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[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Game from this morning....if you can ignore all the offensive rebounds (by the shooter no less) horrible block timing (some by me) and steal spam...just watch the AI transition defenders: RI-DIC-U-LOUS.

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12 seconds into the video . Why does Johnson have to slide to the damn half court line to catch a pass.

[Kushmir]

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12 seconds into the video . Why does Johnson have to slide to the damn half court line to catch a pass.

Yeah i knooooow....you can see why I i'm all 😒😒😒😒😒 when we can make full-court passes but can't catch half-court ones. #otherwayaroundplease

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