How to prevent being punished for using the post?

[ILLSmak]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

theres nothing you can do, the post play is this game doesnt work like it should, and zack, pump faking a defender into the air when your standing right under the rim is horrible post play? yah you dont play real basketball or you just dont play in the post in actual basketball, if anybody, let alone kareem abdul jabbar got his man up in the air with no help around and was standing underneath the basket? it would be some of the easiest points he could get in a game. I think some of the guys on here are more in tune with how these 2k basketball games work , and not real basketball.

Yea, it's counter-intuitive and unrealistic. No one can refute that.

Some people just think it's balanced. I don't know if it's balanced, either. It might have been worse before.

I am 100% sure they could fix the post, but it would require effort. It needs to work differently than other contests. Needs to be more about angles than fading away from people or drop stepping. Drop step is the only way you can really pin someone or get a body animation, where as in actual post play, you can do a lot to change where someone can contest your shot.

I just don't think we should be here in 2018. With more realistic strength, angles, body contact... the post could be played more than one way. Which is good, right?

-Smak

[GisherJohn24]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

I'll probably get socked in the nose for this but that just did not happen on previous 2K Games

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[UnbelievablyRAW]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

I'll probably get socked in the nose for this but that just did not happen on previous 2K Games

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You still got hip blocked, but the animation where people jump into you and you pretend you got stripped wasn't there.

If anything, the blocking is better than last year. Someone's left nipple could touch the ball and it'd fly out of bounds in 2k17

[jeebs9]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

Yea, it's counter-intuitive and unrealistic. No one can refute that.

Some people just think it's balanced. I don't know if it's balanced, either. It might have been worse before.

I am 100% sure they could fix the post, but it would require effort. It needs to work differently than other contests. Needs to be more about angles than fading away from people or drop stepping. Drop step is the only way you can really pin someone or get a body animation, where as in actual post play, you can do a lot to change where someone can contest your shot.

I just don't think we should be here in 2018. With more realistic strength, angles, body contact... the post could be played more than one way. Which is good, right?

-Smak

Do you remember what the post game was like in 2k15?

Man, I do like it was yesterday. Triangle/Y to post up. Worst thing in the world. Not to mention the defense couldn't counter to any moves.

Since 2k16 we have a counter system. Which takes into account what the defender is doing. If the defender pushes the left stick at you. He can push you out of the paint. But on offense you use the spin move to leave him. I could go on and on about each moves.

I'll probably get socked in the nose for this but that just did not happen on previous 2K Games

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No one will sucker punch you. Promise lol

You still got hip blocked, but the animation where people jump into you and you pretend you got stripped wasn't there.

If anything, the blocking is better than last year. Someone's left nipple could touch the ball and it'd fly out of bounds in 2k17

24th letter and I explained this in another thread.

2k16: a foul fest. If you jumped and the offensive player shot and pressed left stick into you. It was foul. Every single time...

2k17: Nothing would happen.

2k18: Defender can make contact with the ball. But the offensive player still has control of the out come.

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[Caelumfang]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

I don’t give a damn what anyone says, if you get pumpfaked into the air by the offensive player, it deserves to be a foul. It can be abused? Yeah, only if your stupid *** keeps jumping.

The ONLY problem with it in 2k16 was that 2k would sometimes make you auto jump with no button input needed from the defender. Remove that, and it balances out. Bad defense needs to be punished.

[NINJAK2]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

Tbh once u get the badges up, they work pretty good in mycareer.
Made a mixtape of my games from yesterday, and i dont even have hof badges

And 2k basketball =/= real life basketball



The sky hook aint that broken tbh, just good timing and be relatively open.
here's some footage from my park games from yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGjo...ature=youtu.be

Man that was a great video!! You got the post game on lock!

[ILLSmak]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

Do you remember what the post game was like in 2k15?

yea, I mean, I've primarily played post in online 5 on 5 gaming. I never played 'cheesy' like just pulling fades from 18 feet. 'Banging' with people in bball video games is one of my favorite things, getting good position for an easy score (or used to be easy) or sealing people for an easy board.

It's not like I can't score, but as time went on, getting people in the paint and killing them with aggressive (toward the rim, even angled around them, but still into them) post moves kind of died. They would have been better off fixing it by adding a proper counter than to just make you miss bunnies under the rim.

Like dude who did that hop step in the first video. That's probably a hop step that could never be pulled off in real life (because he warped through the area the guy was occupying and pushed him back.) They let it happen, but then it makes him blow the lay up. That affects 'real' post play, too.

Remember that video they posted of Kareem on Muggsy doing sky hooks right under the rim? That's ridiculous. The game treats those as bad shots or 'forces.' That's the crux of it. You can't have shots like that be 'bad shots' because then no 'good player' would ever take that shot, but they are shots people take every game.

Arguably, having people take those type of shots as well as 'contested' other shots are essential for simulation outcomes.

I think people have this idea that people who complain about the post game are just forcing shots and have no ability to do nuanced moves. That's not true. But it can often times turn a nuanced finish into a block or an animation that doesn't accurately portray what you meant to do, like how you pointed the stick. Or it goes through but the game decides it's a force and makes it roll off.

-Smak

[jeebs9]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

I don’t give a damn what anyone says, if you get pumpfaked into the air by the offensive player, it deserves to be a foul. It can be abused? Yeah, only if your stupid *** keeps jumping.

The ONLY problem with it in 2k16 was that 2k would sometimes make you auto jump with no button input needed from the defender. Remove that, and it balances out. Bad defense needs to be punished.

You can't have that. What happens is the users just keeps trying to make these single out comes? It's not about the fouls here. It's the fact that the user focus becomes getting a foul. You might have seen my video from the last thread from 2k16 where the user keeps taking Rondo into the paint. Backing down Curry trying to get me to jump. Over and over for 3 possessions. It's not sound game play if it's automatic.

Man that was a great video!! You got the post game on lock!

That's what I said. And have been trying to say for a few threads now. The best part is he's doing this without badges!

yea, I mean, I've primarily played post in online 5 on 5 gaming. I never played 'cheesy' like just pulling fades from 18 feet. 'Banging' with people in bball video games is one of my favorite things, getting good position for an easy score (or used to be easy) or sealing people for an easy board.

It's not like I can't score, but as time went on, getting people in the paint and killing them with aggressive (toward the rim, even angled around them, but still into them) post moves kind of died. They would have been better off fixing it by adding a proper counter than to just make you miss bunnies under the rim.

Like dude who did that hop step in the first video. That's probably a hop step that could never be pulled off in real life (because he warped through the area the guy was occupying and pushed him back.) They let it happen, but then it makes him blow the lay up. That affects 'real' post play, too.

Remember that video they posted of Kareem on Muggsy doing sky hooks right under the rim? That's ridiculous. The game treats those as bad shots or 'forces.' That's the crux of it. You can't have shots like that be 'bad shots' because then no 'good player' would ever take that shot, but they are shots people take every game.

Arguably, having people take those type of shots as well as 'contested' other shots are essential for simulation outcomes.

I think people have this idea that people who complain about the post game are just forcing shots and have no ability to do nuanced moves. That's not true. But it can often times turn a nuanced finish into a block or an animation that doesn't accurately portray what you meant to do, like how you pointed the stick. Or it goes through but the game decides it's a force and makes it roll off.

-Smak

The post up game is my baby. It's been my baby since the beginning. I remember posting a video showing all 4 post moves from 2k10 with KG lol. That's when we had Reel Maker. Made things so easy for me lol.

Smak, have you looked into using post up jab steps?

We are going into competitive gaming. All they ask you is to create space.

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[thevardano]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

I consider myself as elite post scorer and I know how to avoid body-blocks but they still happen and defender is rewarded for nothing! It is not fair because I make really cool moves and fooling defender, he feels like he can't keep up with what I'm doing and just jumping around and eventually getting body-block or stripping the ball because of that bump animation.

Mike Wang if you read this, I ask you to at least give to this issue another look for 2k19. Thanks.

[Caelumfang]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

You can't have that. What happens is the users just keeps trying to make these single out comes? It's not about the fouls here. It's the fact that the user focus becomes getting a foul. You might have seen my video from the last thread from 2k16 where the user keeps taking Rondo into the paint. Backing down Curry trying to get me to jump. Over and over for 3 possessions. It's not sound game play if it's automatic.



That's what I said. And have been trying to say for a few threads now. The best part is he's doing this without badges!




The post up game is my baby. It's been my baby since the beginning. I remember posting a video showing all 4 post moves from 2k10 with KG lol. That's when we had Reel Maker. Made things so easy for me lol.

Smak, have you looked into using post up jab steps?

We are going into competitive gaming. All they ask you is to create space.

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Then the offensive player will keep wasting possessions trying to do that stupid pumpfake while the defender stands there with his hands up, looking at the offensive player like he’s an idiot.

People did it in 2k16 because they KNEW that the game would eventually take over the defender and make them jump with no user input. Otherwise, they’d either rack up 3-second calls, or stagnate their offense. Period. I’m not trying to hear any other excuse as to why a defender constantly leaving his feet on punpfakes isn’t smacked with foul after foul.

But I guess that, to some of you, the defender should just be able to popcorn jump in the paint freely, and kick the ball out of your hands, fall all on your player, get rewarded with blocks/steals on OBVIOUS non-shots while coming down, etc with absolutely no consequence.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

Then the offensive player will keep wasting possessions trying to do that stupid pumpfake while the defender stands there with his hands up, looking at the offensive player like he’s an idiot.

People did it in 2k16 because they KNEW that the game would eventually take over the defender and make them jump with no user input. Otherwise, they’d either rack up 3-second calls, or stagnate their offense. Period. I’m not trying to hear any other excuse as to why a defender constantly leaving his feet on punpfakes isn’t smacked with foul after foul.

But I guess that, to some of you, the defender should just be able to popcorn jump in the paint freely, and kick the ball out of your hands, fall all on your player, get rewarded with blocks/steals on OBVIOUS non-shots while coming down, etc with absolutely no consequence.

If we're doing extremes, I guess some of you feel defenders should dissapear into thin air because they pressed Y and it should be a guaranteed score...

For all the talk of 'real basketball'.....Yes, you are allowed a neutral jump in the post as a defender....

The good post players learn footwork and identifying where defenders are and finishing accordingly, and the bad ones end up with their faces in people's stomachs, stuck because they took the wrong angle after a fake...this is literally a drill they teach you in AAU as a big....

As I much as we preach wanting defenders bodies to be respected- it seems we want to completely disregard it as far as the post goes....I don't want a canned two man up and under animation- I like the idea that I have to counter a jump in the correct fashion.

I'm not advocating spamming jump being rewarded....just somewhere in the middle where actual thought still has to be put into what your doing down there....


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[olajuwon34]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

I think most of us need to agree to disagree with this subject, because there's been multiple threads on this, and it always comes down to the same people commenting on these things. I think that it doesnt portray the post game properly , other people dont care about that and know how to use the post in this game so they dont question the fact that its not portrayed properly. Its not this guys fault for coming on here and posting saying why am i being punished for playing basketball, the way you should play basketball... this game just has a way of deceiving you in terms of the way basketball does work, and the way it works in this game.

[jeebs9]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

I think most of us need to agree to disagree with this subject, because there's been multiple threads on this, and it always comes down to the same people commenting on these things. I think that it doesnt portray the post game properly , other people dont care about that and know how to use the post in this game so they dont question the fact that its not portrayed properly. Its not this guys fault for coming on here and posting saying why am i being punished for playing basketball, the way you should play basketball... this game just has a way of deceiving you in terms of the way basketball does work, and the way it works in this game.

Which is why I keep saying it. And I'll say it again and again. "Stop comparing real life to video game basketball". This isn't because we don't think it's not real. It because we took the time to learn it. A lot of people are under the impression. The closet to the basket. The easier it is to score. There are flaws in real life that will be exposed in a video game.

It's like the other thread I've seen thrown around here a few times this season. ON-Ball Steals....They basically made on ball steal with the steal button very rare. "I'm timing all my steals", "The ball needs more live phyics", and "Look at my hand go through the ball". Just like you can't reward timed steals all the time. It throw the game unbalanced and cause users to focus on pressing that button as many times as possible. Same goes for the post fake and under n' up.

[jeebs9]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

Then the offensive player will keep wasting possessions trying to do that stupid pumpfake while the defender stands there with his hands up, looking at the offensive player like he’s an idiot.

People did it in 2k16 because they KNEW that the game would eventually take over the defender and make them jump with no user input. Otherwise, they’d either rack up 3-second calls, or stagnate their offense. Period. I’m not trying to hear any other excuse as to why a defender constantly leaving his feet on punpfakes isn’t smacked with foul after foul.

But I guess that, to some of you, the defender should just be able to popcorn jump in the paint freely, and kick the ball out of your hands, fall all on your player, get rewarded with blocks/steals on OBVIOUS non-shots while coming down, etc with absolutely no consequence.

I'm not sure what your talking about and getting sucked in. But the below is one of the many times I faced that tactic that year. The funny thing was all the players users. As you can see. He doesn't care about anything else because he's probably done this to like 5 guys before me. Lucky I knew what I was doing. But even with that fact. He could still do it over and over again. It's not fun. Or real in any way.

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If we're doing extremes, I guess some of you feel defenders should dissapear into thin air because they pressed Y and it should be a guaranteed score...

For all the talk of 'real basketball'.....Yes, you are allowed a neutral jump in the post as a defender....

The good post players learn footwork and identifying where defenders are and finishing accordingly, and the bad ones end up with their faces in people's stomachs, stuck because they took the wrong angle after a fake...this is literally a drill they teach you in AAU as a big....

As I much as we preach wanting defenders bodies to be respected- it seems we want to completely disregard it as far as the post goes....I don't want a canned two man up and under animation- I like the idea that I have to counter a jump in the correct fashion.

I'm not advocating spamming jump being rewarded....just somewhere in the middle where actual thought still has to be put into what your doing down there....


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Exactly!! Truly turns it into a skill. Not because I pressed a button and my opponent pressed a button. And I should be rewarded no matter what. Even on a fast break the other way. Should a basket count so easily.

[Caelumfang]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

If we're doing extremes, I guess some of you feel defenders should dissapear into thin air because they pressed Y and it should be a guaranteed score...

For all the talk of 'real basketball'.....Yes, you are allowed a neutral jump in the post as a defender....

The good post players learn footwork and identifying where defenders are and finishing accordingly, and the bad ones end up with their faces in people's stomachs, stuck because they took the wrong angle after a fake...this is literally a drill they teach you in AAU as a big....

As I much as we preach wanting defenders bodies to be respected- it seems we want to completely disregard it as far as the post goes....I don't want a canned two man up and under animation- I like the idea that I have to counter a jump in the correct fashion.

I'm not advocating spamming jump being rewarded....just somewhere in the middle where actual thought still has to be put into what your doing down there....


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Okay, now show me where someone continues to jump repeatedly in rapid succession in order to contest a shot.

Not only is spam jumping not being called for a foul, it's literally being rewarded when the defender falls on top of the offensive player. Blocks are being registered when the player isn't even ATTEMPTING to shoot (even on non-pumpfakes), and steals are being registered by the defender falling down into the offensive players' hands/arms/bodies. And the worst part? People aren't just hitting triangle, they're using the AGGRESSIVE block, which is R2+Triangle (or whatever it is on Xbox), which REALLY should result in fouls.

When you don't punish extremely bad tactics, they will get spammed. If you've played 2k games long enough, you should know exactly what I'm talking about. Mindlessly rushing the paint for dunks in 2k13 (because dunks couldn't be blocked), overdribbling relentlessly with no sort of penalty (multiple 2k titles), popcorn jumping in the paint (multiple 2k titles), etc. Because there's no penalty, you can have 1-4 people just spamming jump down low. And before you say 'just pass out', you know as well as I do that the game will sometimes wrap you up in inevitable animations to where your button input isn't even respected/registered.

I can attest to this with a Pure Rim Protector, when most of the time I'm not even ATTEMPTING to shoot/score down low, and I'll STILL get caught in stupid animations that shouldn't happen without a foul being called because 2-3 clowns ran at me and just started jumping.