Official 2k Combine Thread.

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I said something like this on the Sim Hangout this past Friday. Of course the NBA already knew who they liked before they even started. Would it have been better if they said this ahead of time, absolutely. However, that's just how these things go. On the Hangout I used an example of when I participated in the D League Draft Camp back in 07. There were 500 of us and only 2 were drafted. They never said they were only going to take 2 but we all knew that's pretty much how it would be. What sucks is now because of this there is this whole nonsense conspiracy that this whole thing was rigged. Knowing who you already like does not make it rigged. It's good business to take the players who already have a big following to get more viewers for the league. At the end of the day the NBA and teams can draft whoever they want for this league. Life just ins't always fair. Yes that sucks, but it is what it is.

Teams definitely have a right to draft who they want and like or favor certain players. It's nothing wrong with that I but I think you're missing the main issue at hand though. When you say Team Managers don't have any influence or involvement on who get's drafted or picked for the Top 250 yet screenshots surface showing otherwise, I think that's a huge problem to a lot of people in the community. Same thing with past accomplishments. They said the only thing that mattered was the combine yet a manager is vouching for Stylez to get an email because he was a 250k winner. Stylez should've definitely got an email from jump. He was one of the Top PG's in the game this year but I can see why the community feels the way that they do. The league seems to have lied about the process. It's not sitting well with a lot of people.

[MattUQRPodcast]

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Teams definitely have a right to draft who they want and like or favor certain players. It's nothing wrong with that I but I think you're missing the main issue at hand though. When you say Team Managers don't have any influence or involvement on who get's drafted or picked for the Top 250 yet screenshots surface showing otherwise, I think that's a huge problem to a lot of people in the community. Same thing with past accomplishments. They said the only thing that mattered was the combine yet a manager is vouching for Stylez to get an email because he was a 250k winner. Stylez should've definitely got an email from jump. He was one of the Top PG's in the game this year but I can see why the community feels the way that they do. The league seems to have lied about the process. It's not sitting well with a lot of people.

I totally get what you're saying and that was a bad look by the league. I also get and understand why so many people are really pissed off. My whole point is even with all that said, that does not mean the league is rigged. The optics are very bad here, and we know what bad optics can lead to. I think the entire community can agree the entire process was very bad by the league.

[MattUQRPodcast]

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Right but the 2Kleague messed up.

From the get go there was too much "schmoozing" with the "top" or "known" players. Gave a bad perception, and the latest crap has just fueled it. And the Combine itself was Poop.

I do like a free for all thing to let anyone try out. There's a lot of great players who just don't have the time to grind their players for 100000 hours and then play 10000 pro-am games. The way NBA 2K is now set up, it's more about who the most addicted players are, not who are the "best" players. You shouldn't have to GRIND your CHARACTER to become a top player.

It was probably because of lack of time, but next season they need to have higher standards to get in:

Minimums for

- Pro-am Team wins (This would weed out the TENS OF THOUSANDS of 100% Rookie Noobs we saw in the Combine). So. Many. Noobs. in. Combine.

- Stats. You shot 35% in walkon with 1 assist? See ya bum

- Skills Challenge. You got handles? Ok let's see you dribble around these here orange cones in 30 seconds. lol. They had this in previous 2K games.

- Basketball IQ Challenge. Make the right read in ____ situation. Make the right play in ____ situation. Answer this quiz. They did a quiz for the online application, when they should've done stuff like that to even get into tryouts. BASKETBALL IQ CHALLENGE would've weeded out 75% of players, guaranteed. It's rare.


None of us should ever have to share the virtual court with "What's this button do? What's 2K cam?" guy ever again when money is on the line. Like dude, "WHAT IS YOU DOING". You're trying out to go PRO and you don't even know the friggin controls? Cmon son..

I agree with damn near 100% of what you just said. I just responded to another post saying that I think the 2K community can agree that the process of getting to the 250 has been awful. You brought up so many good points on how the process could have been so much better. Plain and simple they made it to easy for that 72,000 to qualify for the combine. I have only been playing Pro AM for 3 weeks but some of the people I run with said there were trolls intentionally playing bad to make everyone look bad. It sucks the process had to be so flawed because it's spawned a lot of theories. Then throw in the bad optics of some of the screen shots of DM's and that's just a terrible look. I still don't think it's rigged. However, I believe a lot of the snubs have some legitimate gripes.

[splashmountain]

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I totally get what you're saying and that was a bad look by the league. I also get and understand why so many people are really pissed off. My whole point is even with all that said, that does not mean the league is rigged. The optics are very bad here, and we know what bad optics can lead to. I think the entire community can agree the entire process was very bad by the league.

well that depends on your definition of rigged.

what do you think people mean when they say rigged? vs what do you mean when you think of the league being rigged?


If its my league and i tell everyone "hey tryouts are at staples center. and let it be known that everyone who tries out at staples center will have a shot at being drafted to my league because no matter what you did before this staple center combine. we dont care. all we care about is what you do once you get to the staples center."

then to find out, they are drafting people based on what they did prior and who they are popularity wise on youtube/twitch. which we all get from a business standpoint.
The point is this. WHY Did you Lie when you never had to?
Did you see that reply by them. They are talking about how they didnt owe people any info and that writer is trying to compare it to real life job applications and interview processes. saying companies dont tell you how they picked their candidates. this is true. but at the same time, they also dont tell you a lie about "everyone who applies today will only be looked at based on what they did last tuesday, nothing about what they have on their resume before tuesday." no company with any sense would do that.

again, why did 2k lie in the first place? is there a logical reason for that original lie? I think there is. i'm not so sure what that reason is just yet. But to me, i dont think it was necessary. if i was running the league. I would've setup the combine for one of two reasons. either to get the filler guys after the guys I already knew would be in the 102 pool based on elite pro am stuff / twitch stuff they've already done.

OR i would've made the combine a deciding factor even for those elite players as well. since the combine was a different build of the game and certain archetypes were not even in the combine.

So i want to see can dimez still be dimez without a pure playmaker badged up or without a playmaker shotcreator badged up? If I see him getting cooked in the combine like an average dude and i see him only doing so so. Then sorry, dimez, you aint going to be in the top 250. because I truly want the best PLAYERS in my league that i created with this special build of the game.

What 2k did, was lie and say that 2nd option was what was going on. when in reality the 1st option is really what happened.which is fine just dont lie about it. they never should've lied about the purpose of the combine. it was the fill out the remaining spots and to create BUZZ for the league. actually come to think of it. I do know why they lied. it was to create that BUZZ. As bad as we are talking about 2k....we're still talking about 2k right during the time of the year it starts dying down except for the fact they started having that allstar game tournament. after thats over the hype starts to die down for the game. this is not about people buying for 2k games. its about having a Buzz for the league.

Imagine if they told everyone up front. there are only 20 or so spots left. you can get in the combine and try to get those 20 spots. aint no guarantees. 72000 people would have never tried to get in. which would mean 72000 people would not be ready and waiting for the league. which means most of the twitchers, and youtubers showing the combine or talking about it good and bad would not be discussing it at this rate.

lets say we cut that number by 50k. lets say 2k was honest from the jump and only 22,000 people were in the combine. so cut the youtubers and twitchers twitching about it down as well. Is forbes going to follow it like they did with Zero buzz just about? maybe....maybe not. would people even care or notice forbes was talking about it? probably not. This is why they lied.
They needed that Buzz.

This league is not known by people who dont play 2k. It's not known by fans of the NBA but not fans of 2k. It's not really known by people playing in the park ONLY or people that only play offline, or people that only play Play now or my team. what i mean by known. i mean they are not checking for it like that. This is also how/why a lot of people that didnt even complete their 50 still had the combine thing pop up and were allowed to play in the combine. It was all about buzz.

The first badge of audience members they will have for this league will be US. The same guys who didnt make the league but who tried will watch(or at least that was the idea with the lie and aim for buzz.)

This is why they needed to get as many people playing that mode as possible so they can advertise the league to you thru youtube/twitch/forbes articles etc. if you didnt go in that combine you aint checking for no 2k league.

Now all the emails, dm's etc was never supposed to get exposed like that. and thats obvious.

Its just like some people think reality TV is rigged when you find out something they did or said was not real. well guess what, it can't be 100% real because its produced. your real life is not produced. certain things they will edit out and other things they will say lets tape that reaction again, the original reaction wasnt convincing enough, they will get in one person's ear and say start ish with that other cast member to ramp things up. etc. etc. thats not real life arguments or anger. it's produced arguments and anger. The same thing goes for the combine. was it rigged? ehhhhh. It was produced. lets just call it that. lol

[MattUQRPodcast]

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well that depends on your definition of rigged.

what do you think people mean when they say rigged? vs what do you mean when you think of the league being rigged?


If its my league and i tell everyone "hey tryouts are at staples center. and let it be known that everyone who tries out at staples center will have a shot at being drafted to my league because no matter what you did before this staple center combine. we dont care. all we care about is what you do once you get to the staples center."

then to find out, they are drafting people based on what they did prior and who they are popularity wise on youtube/twitch. which we all get from a business standpoint.
The point is this. WHY Did you Lie when you never had to?
Did you see that reply by them. They are talking about how they didnt owe people any info and that writer is trying to compare it to real life job applications and interview processes. saying companies dont tell you how they picked their candidates. this is true. but at the same time, they also dont tell you a lie about "everyone who applies today will only be looked at based on what they did last tuesday, nothing about what they have on their resume before tuesday." no company with any sense would do that.

again, why did 2k lie in the first place? is there a logical reason for that original lie? I think there is. i'm not so sure what that reason is just yet. But to me, i dont think it was necessary. if i was running the league. I would've setup the combine for one of two reasons. either to get the filler guys after the guys I already knew would be in the 102 pool based on elite pro am stuff / twitch stuff they've already done.

OR i would've made the combine a deciding factor even for those elite players as well. since the combine was a different build of the game and certain archetypes were not even in the combine.

So i want to see can dimez still be dimez without a pure playmaker badged up or without a playmaker shotcreator badged up? If I see him getting cooked in the combine like an average dude and i see him only doing so so. Then sorry, dimez, you aint going to be in the top 250. because I truly want the best PLAYERS in my league that i created with this special build of the game.

What 2k did, was lie and say that 2nd option was what was going on. when in reality the 1st option is really what happened.which is fine just dont lie about it. they never should've lied about the purpose of the combine. it was the fill out the remaining spots and to create BUZZ for the league. actually come to think of it. I do know why they lied. it was to create that BUZZ. As bad as we are talking about 2k....we're still talking about 2k right during the time of the year it starts dying down except for the fact they started having that allstar game tournament. after thats over the hype starts to die down for the game. this is not about people buying for 2k games. its about having a Buzz for the league.

Imagine if they told everyone up front. there are only 20 or so spots left. you can get in the combine and try to get those 20 spots. aint no guarantees. 72000 people would have never tried to get in. which would mean 72000 people would not be ready and waiting for the league. which means most of the twitchers, and youtubers showing the combine or talking about it good and bad would not be discussing it at this rate.

lets say we cut that number by 50k. lets say 2k was honest from the jump and only 22,000 people were in the combine. so cut the youtubers and twitchers twitching about it down as well. Is forbes going to follow it like they did with Zero buzz just about? maybe....maybe not. would people even care or notice forbes was talking about it? probably not. This is why they lied.
They needed that Buzz.

This league is not known by people who dont play 2k. It's not known by fans of the NBA but not fans of 2k. It's not really known by people playing in the park ONLY or people that only play offline, or people that only play Play now or my team. what i mean by known. i mean they are not checking for it like that. This is also how/why a lot of people that didnt even complete their 50 still had the combine thing pop up and were allowed to play in the combine. It was all about buzz.

The first badge of audience members they will have for this league will be US. The same guys who didnt make the league but who tried will watch(or at least that was the idea with the lie and aim for buzz.)

This is why they needed to get as many people playing that mode as possible so they can advertise the league to you thru youtube/twitch/forbes articles etc. if you didnt go in that combine you aint checking for no 2k league.

Now all the emails, dm's etc was never supposed to get exposed like that. and thats obvious.

Its just like some people think reality TV is rigged when you find out something they did or said was not real. well guess what, it can't be 100% real because its produced. your real life is not produced. certain things they will edit out and other things they will say lets tape that reaction again, the original reaction wasnt convincing enough, they will get in one person's ear and say start ish with that other cast member to ramp things up. etc. etc. thats not real life arguments or anger. it's produced arguments and anger. The same thing goes for the combine. was it rigged? ehhhhh. It was produced. lets just call it that. lol

When people say it's rigged I'm guessing they mean the league already knew the 102 people they were going to draft before the combined or 50 games thing was even announced. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. I do not mean that in a disrespectful way but things do get lost in translation via text. My definition of rigged would be they knew the 102 people they were going to draft and the entire combine was a sham because no random people had a chance. That is not the case as people like White Chocolate has a great past with pro am and he didn't make it. I'm not the biggest pro am guy as I was always PNO. However, from my understanding is he is not the only big time pro am player that did not make it. If what you did in the past mattered Chocolate would have been in the 250. As I've said from the beginning common sense should tell most of course the NBA had an idea of who they liked. I always looked at the combine as finding those diamond in the rough's or needle in the haystack players who don't have a huge social media following or may not be know pro am players. Of course we won't know until the 102 are drafted. 2K never lied to anybody. 2K is not the one who is going to draft the 102 players. The NBA will be doing that. The thing where I think the conspiracy breaks down is why would the NBA have to lie? There is no reason for them to do so. Now, for the whole only the combine matters. If they come out and say only your past matters, nobody would have even tried out. Should they have said we are looking for 20 or so players who are the needles in the haystack. Absolutely they should have. This is a first for the NBA getting into the esports scene. Mistakes will be made. I know I won't convince those who think it was a sham. I'm just giving my opinion. I totally respect those who have a differing opinion than I do. I guess I just look at it completely different.

[hanzsomehanz]

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How do you surmise the matchmaking would unfold if the play pool was reduced on each console?

Would the scheduled combine and try-out games be worth reducing?

If we did filter out the unworthy, uncommitted talent that should never have stepped foot on these courts: how challenging might it have been to get games?

I would have been okay with them only making this opportunity available to proven talent in Pro Am since this league is an extension of that mode. I would have preferred this.

I consider it a marketing and advertising stunt to allow 70,000 plus random gamers to participant in an "open opportunity". It makes it more dramatic to reduce the pool from 10s of thousands to a mere hundred and two.

Anyone with a decent amount of Intel knew who the immediate top candidates were and knew how challenging it would be even if it was a matter of guaranteeing 60 - 80 spots and leaving 20 - 40 spots to rigorous tryouts and combine proving grounds.

That 20 - 40 would put it in perspective just how qualified you need to be. There would also be less data to filter in respect to sheer load of entries based on participants.

All that said, you have your top 100 in Pro Am already. That's 100 of the top players at each position (500 total). Having these top 500 gut it out would be just fine with me. Get your top 17 at each position and then consider your 17 additional 6th man: there is your 102 [17(5)+17].

If you didn't qualify to earn a top 100 rank with your Pro Am squad or didn't qualify as a top player in Pro Am leader boards: you shouldn't be qualified to participate in this opportunity. The opportunity should have already been reserved for those who have proven they are committed to this mode and have the qualified level of competence to compete with other elites at the highest level. The tourney guys have already proven this which makes it silly to refute their eligibility. Go ahead and refute marketability and character but talent alone can't be refuted when these dudes are household names in 2k Pro Am Tournaments.

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[splashmountain]

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When people say it's rigged I'm guessing they mean the league already knew the 102 people they were going to draft before the combined or 50 games thing was even announced. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. I do not mean that in a disrespectful way but things do get lost in translation via text. My definition of rigged would be they knew the 102 people they were going to draft and the entire combine was a sham because no random people had a chance. That is not the case as people like White Chocolate has a great past with pro am and he didn't make it. I'm not the biggest pro am guy as I was always PNO. However, from my understanding is he is not the only big time pro am player that did not make it. If what you did in the past mattered Chocolate would have been in the 250. As I've said from the beginning common sense should tell most of course the NBA had an idea of who they liked. I always looked at the combine as finding those diamond in the rough's or needle in the haystack players who don't have a huge social media following or may not be know pro am players. Of course we won't know until the 102 are drafted. 2K never lied to anybody. 2K is not the one who is going to draft the 102 players. The NBA will be doing that. The thing where I think the conspiracy breaks down is why would the NBA have to lie? There is no reason for them to do so. Now, for the whole only the combine matters. If they come out and say only your past matters, nobody would have even tried out. Should they have said we are looking for 20 or so players who are the needles in the haystack. Absolutely they should have. This is a first for the NBA getting into the esports scene. Mistakes will be made. I know I won't convince those who think it was a sham. I'm just giving my opinion. I totally respect those who have a differing opinion than I do. I guess I just look at it completely different.

You said, you think that people are saying it was rigged meaning all 102 were already known and no one from the combine was ever going to make it.

Actually I dont think thats what people are calling rigged.

What people figured from the jump and see that has happened is that MOST of the 102 was decided on from the Jump and even most of the 250 was decided on from the jump. most people calling it rigged know that they would probably only use the combine to fill out the remaining 20 or so spots in the draft pool.

yes you hear youtubers screaming about "they already had their guys". they are exaggerating to make a point if you listen to the entire rants. They dont believe 2k had exactly 102 guys pre combine. they believe they had lets say 70 to 80% of those guys locked in and they probably told those guys they were locked in and not to worry, which is why we aint seeing stats/videos of any of those dudes in the combine(either they never had to play in the combine at all which would be extremely rigged or they didnt have to play well because it didnt mean anything which is still rigged because thats not what 2k said.) Remember 2k did lie because 2k made that statement. they should not have said that. unless you're saying the nba made that statement about the combine being the only thing that matters not the past. Who made that statement? 2k, eleague, or the nba? whoever made THAT statement lied and therefore the draft process is rigged because we now know that was not the case. it was not 100% all about that combine. thats what someone said.

remember what i said. the nba, or eleague, or 2k all have a vested interest in the league being successful. Its not just about the money. its about having successes with things you're involved in. Who wants to take a L? No one.

The reason for the combine was to boost hype and buzz for the league. not to sell more 2k games like some have said. It was purely a hype machine for the league. and it worked. well..kinda. now people are heated. not just because they didnt make it. but they are heated because they realized officially they never had a shot. I'll ask again. where dem ladies at? did any girls get into the 250? Probably not. are you saying no girl was good enough? doubt it. they told you what they were talking about in that last letter from a day or so ago when they say their main demographic was young men between the ages of 18-24. because thats the demo who will play professional games and watch professional games being played by the pros.

Were dem old heads at?
you telling me there aint no 35, 40 year olds that grew up playing 2k in their prime years that are still killing the game and have basketball IQ right now? of course they are around. but according to 2k. they aint really checking for them grey beards like that. lol.

I think by even saying that. they may have made a mistake in their demographics due to the fact they are getting it from other previous professional gaming leagues. mostly non sports leagues.

most of these other eleagues are for 18-24 old dudes. but sports is different. especially basketball. everyone from 10 to 70 likes basketball. dudes and girls. everyone plays 2k. I know 4 dudes on my friends list that i have played with for the past 3 years that are over 60 years old and they're good at the game. i know a few over 50 dudes that are good at the game. I've played with and against some Nice ladies that were good at the game. and I know a ton of dudes over 25 to 45 playing the game on the daily that are good at the game. and would be willing to watch the league. but 2k doesnt know that nor does eleague because they are basing that demo on what i would call NERD games or Gamers Games. which fall into that 18-24 male demo. aint nothing nerdy about 2k, 2k is not a gamers game. If someone asks "are you a gamer?" and you answer Yes. then you say I play 2k all day and nothing else. they will say "you aint no gamer." because you dont play those other games that everyone else plays that are true to life gamers. You are a sports gamer. there's a difference.

but thats something the league will learn for the next time. i can give them a pass on that the first time around. but the other stuff, they lied about. and lying about it makes the draft process...basically rigged.

You know what they should have done to get the Legit non lying buzz for the league. they should allow those that did not make it, to be apart of the draft process. meaning just like the allstar game. we get to vote for who gets drafted. now not 100% of our votes will make or break a persons draft. but lets say 40% of it does. the other 60% are the nba 2k league team owners.

They actually could've really gone thru all 72,000 people's 40 games per position if they used al 72,000 people to grade one another based on the same set of stats that they used. This is already done in some college settings for Mooc classes. look it up if you dont know what i'm talking about. but anyway, they give each student 10 labs/ or 10 tests, or 10 papers to grade. You dont know who the papers is from. no name is attached. you could do the same for the combine videos. the user names are not in the videos. just a player A or player B. 2k would know the true names from those videos based on a number for each video. it aint that hard to pull off.

That way, everyone gets looked at, graded accordingly. then they can make the pool out of that. then keep the buzz popping by having us vote. Now you're vested in the people you ended up voting in. so guess what you will do? you will watch the league to find out if your picks were the right picks.

and lastly, i knew it was going to be shaky when they told people to delete the history of their twitter and other social media accounts before even applying. because they didnt want others to bust them for saying something crazy later on down the line. Uhhhh...If i want someone to play for my league. I dont want them to delete. I want to know which ones talked reckless from the get go. i need to know because these same dudes will eventually crack and say something crazy once the league starts.

[hanzsomehanz]

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It don't matter how investigated we get on how many they were already committed to.

102 players can still only fill the top 20 teams plus 2 reserves. This alone tells you that there will be some snubs. It's an easy numbers game at this point. It's clear not everyone on a top 25 team can make it on talent alone. Some won't join by choice and some won't join because they don't qualify on character.

Now, the 250 pool is helpful for other purposes that serve the League. What if a player opts out of his contract (quits)? What if someone you invite turns out to not be interested in the team he's drafted too or decided he's not interested in the League at all?

Some of these guys who don't make the final cut could be called up at a later time when a new opening becomes available. It's good to have depth for this reason. *Remember, it was originally 5 players per team but it got expanded to 6 (a reserve). That's an additional 17 players available on an if needed (optional) basis.

Another draft criteria could be the Age and Location in demographics. If some teams are preferring youth then they will not be looking squarely at top talent on the top Pro Am teams. They will look for guys who might be young candidates that they can grow the League with. Guys who are young and could be heavily committed into the future with this League. It also inspires other young talented up-and-comers.

On Location, considering who is nearby to your region makes it easier for some folks to represent a hometown! The wide draft pool helps to fill out these other considerations outside of pure performance alone.

The process was not here for filtering top talent alone but even their analytics went deep on stats to really filter out key stats that mattered instead of simply grabbing the top scorers, rebounders and assisters.

At the end of the day, the complaints about running with random low IQ gamers is small stuff. Everyone had to face the same conditions here. Not everyone with the best stats will get drafted let alone got an email. Take comfort in that. The pessimist will see it as a lost cause while others might see it as an opportunity and experience gained. The realist will already have accepted how hard the chances are to actually get drafted as an unknown with no tournament resume. It is realistic to accept that opportunity can really only be truly equal to people of equal merit. How can a dude with no competitive experience and an unknown character stand as good a chance of being drafted number 1 as Dimez? Only someone on Dimez level of competence, celebrity, and character can truly be equal to Dimez.

The opportunity was actually more open, fair, and non-discriminate than many make it out to be.

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[loso_34]

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a lot of these guys have been scouted since august.

cant be mad that they have a boat go build your own.

[splashmountain]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

How do you surmise the matchmaking would unfold if the play pool was reduced on each console?

Would the scheduled combine and try-out games be worth reducing?

If we did filter out the unworthy, uncommitted talent that should never have stepped foot on these courts: how challenging might it have been to get games?

I would have been okay with them only making this opportunity available to proven talent in Pro Am since this league is an extension of that mode. I would have preferred this.

I consider it a marketing and advertising stunt to allow 70,000 plus random gamers to participant in an "open opportunity". It makes it more dramatic to reduce the pool from 10s of thousands to a mere hundred and two.

Anyone with a decent amount of Intel knew who the immediate top candidates were and knew how challenging it would be even if it was a matter of guaranteeing 60 - 80 spots and leaving 20 - 40 spots to rigorous tryouts and combine proving grounds.

That 20 - 40 would put it in perspective just how qualified you need to be. There would also be less data to filter in respect to sheer load of entries based on participants.

All that said, you have your top 100 in Pro Am already. That's 100 of the top players at each position (500 total). Having these top 500 gut it out would be just fine with me. Get your top 17 at each position and then consider your 17 additional 6th man: there is your 102 [17(5)+17].

If you didn't qualify to earn a top 100 rank with your Pro Am squad or didn't qualify as a top player in Pro Am leader boards: you shouldn't be qualified to participate in this opportunity. The opportunity should have already been reserved for those who have proven they are committed to this mode and have the qualified level of competence to compete with other elites at the highest level. The tourney guys have already proven this which makes it silly to refute their eligibility. Go ahead and refute marketability and character but talent alone can't be refuted when these dudes are household names in 2k Pro Am Tournaments.

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NO disrepsect but you're saying the same thing you've said already. Why didnt they just let the top pro am guys go at it. we get it. you believe those guys are better than everyone else.

Here's the problem with that logic.
#1 there are a lot of other guys that are on teams that are decent but not anywhere near the tops due to their teammates not being nearly as good as they are and/or time constraints of their teammates not being able to play enough games with them. That aint their fault. Its life. but if you pass up on these candidates. you will be passing up on some of the best 2k players out there. that would be foolish to do if you are TRULY looking for some of the best .

#2. and this might be #1. The moment they created a different build of the game called combine which we assume(would be a fair assumption) is going to be the exact same build or similar to that of the league itself. and the moment they took out certain archetypes and made sure everyone had the same badges, same ratings within those archetypes. You have just completely changed the game for The super ELITE pro am teams who are on top of the leaderboards because they are running around with 95+ rated players badged to death vs other guys who are very good players but dont have that kind of time to dedicate to grinding their my player. so they're sitting at 88 overall early on in 2k18's cycle.

THe moment you do that. the moment you take away hall of fame badges and a lot of gold badges for certain archetypes. you have just Dropped a lot of the top players abilities to produce at such a high level. now i'm saying the same thing i've been saying in here. lol


I want people to realize this. A lot of these dudes yall are looking up to on these elite pro am teams are not as good as you think they are. They are not BAD at all. and i would say all of them are pretty good regardless. but most of them are no where near as good as you think they are due to the fact that a lot of their abilities is built on being max badged out in certain areas if not all areas, and having that super high overall. while going up against most comp that isnt even close in those two areas.

how do you think someone has a record of 1100-23? lol. thats a lot of bums being destroyed. but those guys are not all bums they are playing. they are killing dudes that are broke(or refuse to spend money on vc) and dont have the time to grind their my players to the point of being very good early on. so they are coming out the bat with a brown shirt on and a pair of grey 2k uglies with a 70 rated dude. getting washed by these dudes sitting at 90+.

i know we keep bringing up dimez. but lets bring him up again. does anyone have footage of dimez starting out as a 60 something and still washing people? Probably not. how about a 70and change? probably not. how's about completely badgeless and killing people? probably not.

The point i'm making is obvious. these guys are good but not nearly as good as their records seem to show because their players are over powered with the ratings and badges. the league if based on the combine will not even allow for that build. so therefore, you can't use what they did in a different build of the game with their own BOOSTED players to say they would perform just as well in that more balanced and tougher sliders environment.

And you will see this in the league if they keep that same combine build. If they end up drafting a lot of these top dudes and they dont change the build from the combine version. A lot of these dudes are going to look like mortals and wont be exciting to watch. Which will prompt for some slider changers and possible a different build of the game with more badges and more archetypes either this season or next.


***now as for matchmaking if the pool was a lot smaller. You then would have to open it up regions. I believe the combine was region locked(thats what they said and the only people i played were people along the west coast which is where I live.) once you do that, we are all in the same pool. now the connections would've been a bit worse at times by doing this but thats what you live with.

In addition. You make people player with every archetype X amt of times and open up the combine playing windows. You dont need 40 games to get use to the build maybe like 20. 20 games is more than enough to show what you got at a certain position/archetype.

you make everyone play 100 games, 20 at each position. after one position is full. you have to choose another position until you hit your 20 at that spot. that way it would force everyone to play every spot and there would be no screen saying "waiting for SG, SF, PF" the entire time. since those are the spots most people were running from since those are the spots that got the ball the least. and a better batch of players means they would probably play more consistently and more often since this is what they do anyway. unlike a bunch of kids that were never going to make it or just trolls or people who were just joking around with the mode.

[splashmountain]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

a lot of these guys have been scouted since august.

cant be mad that they have a boat go build your own.

you can be mad if someone running the show tells you otherwise. thats all people are upset about. dont lie to me and then say well we didnt have to tell you ish. yeah..we know that. you should've said nothing from the beginning rather than lie.

and let people cry about not knowing anything and pick who you wanted and let people cry again. but they would never be able to say your setup was shady or rigged. thats a lot different than you didnt tell me anything.

[Keith01]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

I want people to realize this. A lot of these dudes yall are looking up to on these elite pro am teams are not as good as you think they are. They are not BAD at all. and i would say all of them are pretty good regardless. but most of them are no where near as good as you think they are due to the fact that a lot of their abilities is built on being max badged out in certain areas if not all areas, and having that super high overall. while going up against most comp that isnt even close in those two areas.

A lot of truth to this. There's a good 20-30 players, including me, who are top notch, but don't have the consistency of roster, or care about the social media presence to get "known", etc. One squad I know has 2 of my former teammates on it, who have 90% win and are top 50 in the world and climbing. And this is with 3 other guys who I KNOW are not that good 'cause I've ran with them a couple times. I can join them if I want. BUT IT'S NOT DIFFICULT TO RANK UP. What's hard is 1) Character Development (need 1000000000 hrs) 2) Roster consistency.

There are players no one hasn't even heard of, that could whoop Dimez and co.

I'm not impressed by top players, who've only proven they can run 1 set (5 out), and if you watch plenty of streams, you see bad shots that go in 'cause of badges, bad basketball plays, etc.

There are implications that it was rigged to a degree, with fillers coming from the 2K Combine. It's hard to conclusively prove one way or another at this point, but what needs to happen is next year, this trash 2K Combine version needs to go (running with noobs) and be replaced by something that truly brings out the best players, and is transparent from day 1 with no tampering.