Official 2k Combine Thread.

[splashmountain]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

What you fail to realize or maybe factor in is the little things. My margin of victory was very slim for a lot of games bruh. Just as my record is 30-11 it could've easily been 21-20 or even worse. I was in a lot of close ones so the competition was quite balanced IMO. I had a few blowouts and got blown out a few times as well. There's so much more to factor into games other than PPG, Rebounds, and Assist. If I could remember other stats that I put up I would've listed them in the first post I made. I wasn't on teams with a Lebron/KD type of player every single game as you may think. Majority of the players that have gotten emails have made themselves house hold names over the years (40/42 from the first wave were recognized names). The combine was important but I think seeing consistency goes a long way also. Some of these guys have been around since the GB days. When you see the same teams and names in Tourneys each year (RTTF, RTTASG etc.), it's hard to not give those guys an opportunity. They've shown they can compete at a high level against top notch competition. I think your resume can get you a spot in the 2kLeague and not just a combine performance alone. Each 2k is different, but if you know how to play fundamental basketball and have IQ that'll take you a longggggg way each and every year. This isn't FortNite or COD...this is basketball lol. Lastly from my experience 2k runs smoother on Xbox than PS4 IMO. I noticed PS4 has a bit more delay than Xbox which can throwing your timing off. There's a bit more lag on PS4 as well. I don't think Window for Greens or anything is different on each system. I notice a lot of PS4 and Xbox Players use the same releases, sig styles etc.

appreciate the break down. Remember I wasnt going at you. I was going off of what you said trying to paint a picture. and yes basketball IQ helps. but lets be realistic. and I know its hard for people to realize this, What i call Exploit IQ is just as important or moreso than basketball IQ.

simple example of that video i posted that we all saw in the combine. we all know good and well thats not real in real life basketball. you can't just hold your arms to your legs like you're taking a charge to stop someone from defending an overhead pass or a long bomb pass while you're directly under the basket. There should be zero argument with that kind of stuff. we know that aint basketball. Now is it basketball to Rim run? YEP. Does rim running work 90% of the time in real life? NO. Does it work in 2k 90% of the time in the combine? YEP. basketball IQ wont fix that. Thats the game not being built correctly to showcase a real rim run or under the hoop deep position post up situations and defense. Lets say your basketball IQ is kobe level as a player and Greg pop as a coach. basically a basketball genius. But you have no idea how to do that move that you see others doing. You will end up with solid stats, but nothing in the realm of those doing that all the time over and over and over again abusing the heck out of the game's lack of real basketball in that area. Do you see my point?

The best guys/most elite guys are not Elite because they have the highest basketball IQ's. its because the have the highest how to abuse the hell out of the animations IQ. These dudes/girls(they're out there too) can catch a funky animation that isnt realistic but it works, quicker than most people. They can see it, they will work on it to find out when and where it works, time it just right. perfect that baby and put it in their bag of tricks. There is a ton of this going on in 2k at the Elite levels. lets not fool ourselves to say otherwise. and again, I can't really be mad at some people for trying to cash checks off of abusing 2k's missteps. aint they fault. thats on 2k to fix...or not.

Yes the game has some real life basketball principles and I think, if you were to have 10 people who decided not to abuse exploits but use High basketball IQ, you could watch some really beautiful games. but that aint going to happen. you will watch my basketball IQ + my super high exploit abuse IQ killing you.

The 5 out offense proves this. This works in 2k because of certain unrealistic offensive and defensive animations in the game.

In this game I can know exactly where you're going and you can still force you way that direction depending on your archetype. and you can do that with little consequences. no matter the sliders. Thats an internal programming thing they came up with because people complained like crazy the past few years about the bump animations being to magnetic. which they were. 2k has not found that balance. it's because even though they tell us every year no more 2 player animations. it's not true. They're formulas are based on 2 player interactions instead of single player interactions. I address this in that thread about the snatch back dribble being cheese.

But this has been a problem since people could cheat and create those Demi-Gods in the old 2ks when it was called crew mode. I remember playing those top teams and getting smacked. Then i realized what was going on. i found some ways to contain some of the bs. but that was some. so what i and my guys would end doing is occasionally beating those teams and more times than not losing a tight game by 10 or less because no matter how hard you try playing 100% realistic high iq basketball aint enough when you have a game with so many OBVIOUS animation issues on both sides of the ball. at some point you're going to have to abuse that exploit to win some games vs other players and teams who dont care and will use everything possible to win.

and this is what I'm saying about the league where I hope the abuse of exploits in the game will make for less viewers because once every team/player in the league realizes the exploit EVERYONE will do it. which is the same reason everyone runs the 5 out and which is why everyone pretty much does the same stuff to call up the same unrealistic animations to defend or score, etc. This causing a situation where people have less of an identity in the game. everyone starts to play the same or so similar to most people can't tell them apart aside from their gamertag.

And I still stand by this until the game is fixed to the point where it does truly resemble a basketball simulation. Where I say. half of the top guys would not be the top guys if the exploits were not in the game to abuse. a lot of guys are feasting off of those exploits. and not real basketball. They would not be considered the best without them.


**and about ps4 or xbox playing smoother. maybe their videos are just smoother and not the actual game play. i wouldnt know since i dont have both consoles. i only play on xbox.

[splashmountain]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

Looking back at it and seeing other players getting their emails..I should've played more selfishly. I did my best trying not to force things but after seeing these guys crazy stat lines it's pretty evident that they were very ball dominant and looked to score and only pass when they knew an assist was going to be the result. Tough, guess we all know now what the standard is

Also, they said stats don't matter but they're using algorithms to filter out people. So clearly stats did matter

lol how the hell could stats not matter. how else are you going to judge people?

and thats the way its supposed to be. what they should've said is these stats PPG, RPG, APG, SPG, BPG, TO's dont matter as much as other things such as shot release timing on jumpers Which can't be captured accurately due to different connections, all other stats that will increase or decrease your grade. or things they can visually see like "leave man open" you get down graded for that. but if the other team is to selfish or to stupid to pass your guy the ball all game or if that guy suck..then you should leave him open(the games grading system does not account for that, but real eyes could.)

but thats not what they said. and that was done on purpose. because PPG, RPG, etc the obvious box score stats matter a ton. because this is a league that will hopefully be watched by many people. and you know many people could care less about "advanced stats". thats just life.

So yes, you should've been more selfish if you wanted to get that email.

Even the guy the put up on forbes that put his letter up online. go to his twitch and watch some of his games. he's a pretty good PG. good IQ. a pretty decent teammate. but one thing i did notice, you would catch him kind of harping on the SG and SF to pass him the ball because he was the point guard... like a lot. he just wasnt an A hole about it. but he would do that so he could score the basket or get the assist. I called this guy out i played with my 2nd game of the pro am for doing that and he ended up quitting before the game was up. thats when i realized oh boy its going to be a long combine. lol.

This dude is in the mic talking about how he just dropped 20 assists 3 games in a row. and all we have to do is get open and he's going to hit us for buckets. Nothing is wrong with that right? Well there's one issue. what if you're not a lower IQ guy that can only score but you know how to pass TOO. then what? What if you have a much better angle to make the pass he's going to eventually throw? then what? What if he gets the ball up the court quickly by passing it to the SG or SF or even PF so they can make the extra pass to the Big or shooters in the corners on a fast break to score quickly.. then what?

I told him this while we were playing. he was mad at other guys for catching the ball then the defense comes out and they make an extra pass for a bucket. we actually had a good team that game. this PG wanted no parts of that. So even though he could pass well and he had stick skills with dribble moves and what not. the guy was a selfish pg with high assist numbers banking on people just wanting to score and nothing else.

So you even had the good dudes ball hogging for stats.

[splashmountain]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

What you fail to realize or maybe factor in is the little things. My margin of victory was very slim for a lot of games bruh. Just as my record is 30-11 it could've easily been 21-20 or even worse. I was in a lot of close ones so the competition was quite balanced IMO. I had a few blowouts and got blown out a few times as well. There's so much more to factor into games other than PPG, Rebounds, and Assist. If I could remember other stats that I put up I would've listed them in the first post I made. I wasn't on teams with a Lebron/KD type of player every single game as you may think. Majority of the players that have gotten emails have made themselves house hold names over the years (40/42 from the first wave were recognized names). The combine was important but I think seeing consistency goes a long way also. Some of these guys have been around since the GB days. When you see the same teams and names in Tourneys each year (RTTF, RTTASG etc.), it's hard to not give those guys an opportunity. They've shown they can compete at a high level against top notch competition. I think your resume can get you a spot in the 2kLeague and not just a combine performance alone. Each 2k is different, but if you know how to play fundamental basketball and have IQ that'll take you a longggggg way each and every year. This isn't FortNite or COD...this is basketball lol. Lastly from my experience 2k runs smoother on Xbox than PS4 IMO. I noticed PS4 has a bit more delay than Xbox which can throwing your timing off. There's a bit more lag on PS4 as well. I don't think Window for Greens or anything is different on each system. I notice a lot of PS4 and Xbox Players use the same releases, sig styles etc.

appreciate the break down. Remember I wasnt going at you. I was going off of what you said trying to paint a picture. and yes basketball IQ helps. but lets be realistic. and I know its hard for people to realize this, What i call Exploit IQ is just as important or moreso than basketball IQ.

simple example of that video i posted that we all saw in the combine. we all know good and well thats not real in real life basketball. you can't just hold your arms to your legs like you're taking a charge to stop someone from defending an overhead pass or a long bomb pass while you're directly under the basket. There should be zero argument with that kind of stuff. we know that aint basketball. Now is it basketball to Rim run? YEP. Does rim running work 90% of the time in real life? NO. Does it work in 2k 90% of the time in the combine? YEP. basketball IQ wont fix that. Thats the game not being built correctly to showcase a real rim run or under the hoop deep position post up situations and defense. Lets say your basketball IQ is kobe level as a player and Greg pop as a coach. basically a basketball genius. But you have no idea how to do that move that you see others doing. You will end up with solid stats, but nothing in the realm of those doing that all the time over and over and over again abusing the heck out of the game's lack of real basketball in that area. Do you see my point?

The best guys/most elite guys are not Elite because they have the highest basketball IQ's. its because the have the highest how to abuse the hell out of the animations IQ. These dudes/girls(they're out there too) can catch a funky animation that isnt realistic but it works, quicker than most people. They can see it, they will work on it to find out when and where it works, time it just right. perfect that baby and put it in their bag of tricks. There is a ton of this going on in 2k at the Elite levels. lets not fool ourselves to say otherwise. and again, I can't really be mad at some people for trying to cash checks off of abusing 2k's missteps. aint they fault. thats on 2k to fix...or not.

Yes the game has some real life basketball principles and I think, if you were to have 10 people who decided not to abuse exploits but use High basketball IQ, you could watch some really beautiful games. but that aint going to happen. you will watch my basketball IQ + my super high exploit abuse IQ killing you.

The 5 out offense proves this. This works in 2k because of certain unrealistic offensive and defensive animations in the game.

In this game I can know exactly where you're going and you can still force you way that direction depending on your archetype. and you can do that with little consequences. no matter the sliders. Thats an internal programming thing they came up with because people complained like crazy the past few years about the bump animations being to magnetic. which they were. 2k has not found that balance. it's because even though they tell us every year no more 2 player animations. it's not true. They're formulas are based on 2 player interactions instead of single player interactions. I address this in that thread about the snatch back dribble being cheese.

But this has been a problem since people could cheat and create those Demi-Gods in the old 2ks when it was called crew mode. I remember playing those top teams and getting smacked. Then i realized what was going on. i found some ways to contain some of the bs. but that was some. so what i and my guys would end doing is occasionally beating those teams and more times than not losing a tight game by 10 or less because no matter how hard you try playing 100% realistic high iq basketball aint enough when you have a game with so many OBVIOUS animation issues on both sides of the ball. at some point you're going to have to abuse that exploit to win some games vs other players and teams who dont care and will use everything possible to win.

and this is what I'm saying about the league where I hope the abuse of exploits in the game will make for less viewers because once every team/player in the league realizes the exploit EVERYONE will do it. which is the same reason everyone runs the 5 out and which is why everyone pretty much does the same stuff to call up the same unrealistic animations to defend or score, etc. This causing a situation where people have less of an identity in the game. everyone starts to play the same or so similar to most people can't tell them apart aside from their gamertag.

And I still stand by this until the game is fixed to the point where it does truly resemble a basketball simulation. Where I say. half of the top guys would not be the top guys if the exploits were not in the game to abuse. a lot of guys are feasting off of those exploits. and not real basketball. They would not be considered the best without them.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

Think I played about 3 or 4 matches of this. Just didn’t fit with my schedule. Still wonder why walk on can’t have these settings .

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

Splash, if the 2kleague owners were offended by your gameplay they simply would not draft you.

I don't see why you need to be so harshly judgemental of the elite players. The League has video evidence on each player and they especially have a spotlight on the popular gamers who already have a name out there.



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[splashmountain]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

Splash, if the 2kleague owners were offended by your gameplay they simply would not draft you.

I don't see why you need to be so harshly judgemental of the elite players. The League has video evidence on each player and they especially have a spotlight on the popular gamers who already have a name out there.



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I'm harsher on 2k itself leaving these huge holes in their game to be constantly exploited. it was one thing to do that for a casual game. But to still have these same holes in the game and its about to go pro is another level. like I said, I hope this league forces them to actually, finally tighten up and make the game a lot closer to actual basketball. or at worse have a game mode within the game that has that which mimics the league going forward.

You say I'm talking bad about the 2k elite players. well is it bad that they abuse the heck out of exploits to win games for money? NOPE. get dat money. That's what you're supposed to do.

But do I realize that quite a few of them would not be considered elite if these exploits were not in the game? YEP. I didn't say all. Because some of them would be good regardless. some of them abuse exploits cause that's how it has to be in order to be elite in the game we currently have. but even if it was legit they would still be on top. But there are a lot of players out there that would not be on top if those exploits were no longer in the game and the game itself was overall a lot more realistic.

There is really no reason to argue against this point if you've ever played pro am vs any elite teams. or played in the combine and watch videos of guys dropping crazy numbers abusing an exploit or three. lol.

Put it this way. I played approx. 100 games in the combine. 50 to get their, and who knows how many in team pro am. and from all of those games I've learned that people who truly know the exploits inside and out end up being on top more so than high iq basketball people. now those later people can hang...for awhile with the exploiters. but as the game goes along eventually reality will set in and the exploits will be too much to overcome. Because to beat that, you have to do it too. That's just the way the game is setup at this point in time, which I hope changes.

even something as simple as the jumper you choose can make or break your elite play. certain animations have a higher window for going in when its not a perfect release than others. and its not the shots from shooters who are money and shoot perfect looking jumpers in real life.

[Keith01]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

It's a pessimistic attitude that says, "If it can't be done for me: it can't be done for you; unless..." And the unless factors in cheating, fabricated stories, unproven theories, excess cheese exploits / corruption etc; and more of the same.

What's good is you generally reap what your attitude sows in this life. Those who tend to see and expect the worst will continue to suffer from their own weary, fearful, doutbful expectations. These types don't deserve a spot and rightly so because they don't have a healthy mindset let alone a healthy outlook on how success is achieved.

The top players who go drafted first would have generally already had a mindset of expecting to arrive at this moment and be selected a priority pick: it goes with their belief in self and vibes towards others. You check their twitter handles and a lot of their bios already distinguish themselves as a Professional Gamer or 2k League Draftee. This is much more advantageous to fulfilling your dreams and desires than one who spends all his time fussing and doubting the worthiness of others because he doesn't see how he could possibly make it on his own merit and until he does he will continue to doubt the worthiness of others who don't perform like him and don't play to his measure of success.

Quite the role of supremacy there. These guys are quite the egomanaic just covering it up with self-deprecating humdrum talk of corruption within the system that been around since dirt. The lot of #illuminatiConfirmed conspiracy theorists who believe high level of success is not possible within human capacity: only by selling your soul [emoji55]

Nothing new under the sun here.

You handled this one quite well [emoji471]

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Lol idk if I'm understanding this correctly, but if it's referring to the Combine, I think the pessimistic attitude towards it is completely warranted based on the dynamics of it. I have a completely pessimistic attitude towards it 'cause it deserves that and the people in charge of the 2K League deserve to hear the complaints so that they can improve it next year. The combine mattered some, but the majority of players who got emails were already "known" on twitter, twitch etc. That's not to say it's rigged, but it's heavily influenced.

And to fill out the rest of the spots, and how the process was skewed, all you gotta do is look at the reality of all the factors:

- 70,000 tryouts
- small window of time and resources to fully scout players
- wide range of possibilities and 100% luck involved to corrupt the process, depending on a) teammates you get and their IQ + agendas b) archetype c) if you had a mic or not, which led to buddy ball d) if you stat chased or actually played within the flow and made the best basketball play, which a lot of time were at odds.

So, for example, did they track USAGE RATE? DOUBT IT. Yet you got some PG (played with plenty of these types) who has 95% usage rate where he either shoots or gets an assist with his buddy ballers on mic. "Woa look at this guy, he's avg. 20 & 15 ast!" Yeah, misleading -- usage rate 95%, SG and SF got 3 FGA each, he dribbled around for 15 sec, etc. You can't stop collusion in this mode, that's how players got monster stats.

Here's what it comes down to --> The reality of the gameplay, the mode, the process didn't match the reality of who the best players actually are. And the reality is that 2KLeague's process and resources didn't do enough / lacks the capacity to be able to detect the difference.

It wasn't a true method of finding the best players, therefore you're not going to have the best players. Count me in as being pessimistic as well towards this corrupt combine. It deserves that, blame the people that did it this way.

[Keith01]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

I'm harsher on 2k itself leaving these huge holes in their game to be constantly exploited. it was one thing to do that for a casual game. But to still have these same holes in the game and its about to go pro is another level. like I said, I hope this league forces them to actually, finally tighten up and make the game a lot closer to actual basketball. or at worse have a game mode within the game that has that which mimics the league going forward.

You say I'm talking bad about the 2k elite players. well is it bad that they abuse the heck out of exploits to win games for money? NOPE. get dat money. That's what you're supposed to do.

But do I realize that quite a few of them would not be considered elite if these exploits were not in the game? YEP. I didn't say all. Because some of them would be good regardless. some of them abuse exploits cause that's how it has to be in order to be elite in the game we currently have. but even if it was legit they would still be on top. But there are a lot of players out there that would not be on top if those exploits were no longer in the game and the game itself was overall a lot more realistic.

There is really no reason to argue against this point if you've ever played pro am vs any elite teams. or played in the combine and watch videos of guys dropping crazy numbers abusing an exploit or three. lol.

Put it this way. I played approx. 100 games in the combine. 50 to get their, and who knows how many in team pro am. and from all of those games I've learned that people who truly know the exploits inside and out end up being on top more so than high iq basketball people. now those later people can hang...for awhile with the exploiters. but as the game goes along eventually reality will set in and the exploits will be too much to overcome. Because to beat that, you have to do it too. That's just the way the game is setup at this point in time, which I hope changes.

even something as simple as the jumper you choose can make or break your elite play. certain animations have a higher window for going in when its not a perfect release than others. and its not the shots from shooters who are money and shoot perfect looking jumpers in real life.

Preach lol. Not saying all "top players" are like this, but I've seen enough gameplay from "top teams" on twitch to conclude that 50% of these guys who stand in the corner shooting contested 3's would be nothing without the HOF Limitless Range badge, etc. Sharpshooters don't need 5 different shooting badges. "deadeye" "limitless" "catch and shoot", etc gimme a break. Godzilla 3 pt shooter on steroids, add that to HOF dimer etc. Too arcadey.

Even "Dimez", speed boosts, money moves, etc. The fact that 5 out is the set of choice instead of a motion offense shows the lack of basketball IQ and creativity these players have. Do you know how many "elite" teams don't fully know how to rotate, play the pick and roll, transition D, etc. I want players who fully represent basketball, these guys will be getting paid, so the process should be way more rigorous to separate the real ballers from the pretenders. How many of these pros can't even make a layup IRL lol

[splashmountain]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

Preach lol. Not saying all "top players" are like this, but I've seen enough gameplay from "top teams" on twitch to conclude that 50% of these guys who stand in the corner shooting contested 3's would be nothing without the HOF Limitless Range badge, etc. Sharpshooters don't need 5 different shooting badges. "deadeye" "limitless" "catch and shoot", etc gimme a break. Godzilla 3 pt shooter on steroids, add that to HOF dimer etc. Too arcadey.

Even "Dimez", speed boosts, money moves, etc. The fact that 5 out is the set of choice instead of a motion offense shows the lack of basketball IQ and creativity these players have. Do you know how many "elite" teams don't fully know how to rotate, play the pick and roll, transition D, etc. I want players who fully represent basketball, these guys will be getting paid, so the process should be way more rigorous to separate the real ballers from the pretenders. How many of these pros can't even make a layup IRL lol

and that is the question. can we call the elite dudes pretenders when they know all the cheese/exploit animations in 2k? NOPE. It's not their fault. Thats on 2k to fix their game so it wont be so many obvious animation exploits to be abused like that. Some of these guys could actually be high iq guys if 2k made it a priority with a better game and better sliders. but at this rate we will never know. if nothing changes, its going to be a war of exploits.

and I'm glad you brought up speed boosting. thats cheese too. not cheese for others to do it but cheese that its in the game to begin with. why are you giving my guy an EXTRA unrealistic boost after i do a double cross or certain moves around a screen?

All me to be able to choose my first step with any player. sure some players are quicker than others. thats in the ratings. how someone uses their quicks should not be up to what move you do. it should be up to how you tap that sprint button. that is your first step.

If you want be that herky jerky player like a prime ginobili or a prime dragic. thats on you to walk then tap that sprint button, then walk, then tap that sprint button. and it needs to respond on the hit. the more you hold it the faster you go. this is realistic. not a speed boost.
you want to boost around a screen? fine you want to come off that double cross with speed? go ahead. just make sure you start the move off without touching the spring button or barely tapping it. then hit it full throttle when you're ready to go. and yes this should eat up your overall stamina.

when play with your my career players they dont really get tired once you get to an 80 and change. they rarely get tired enough to bother their abilities. This needs to change.

real superstars are well conditioned but they still get tired during games. so whats the difference between a random role player playing 40 mins and lebron? lebron does have slightly better wind/stamina than most but not all role guys. some guys can run for days like mr I got my ankles broke "wesley johnson". that dude is in insane shape. but why can't he ball all game long even if he starts off hot? because when he fatigues and gets a bit tired. he loses concentration. thats the biggest difference between the stars and the role guys. its concentration. can you as a 2k player maintain your concentration when its more difficult to get those greens, when you're guy is moving a bit slower, can you still get those moves off? or are you smart enough to conserve your energy during the entire game. and i'm not talking about calling timeouts. i'm talking about taking some plays off perhaps. not playing hard nose defense all game long. floating for a few mins here and there?
because thats what the real dudes do. no one plays 48 mins all out every single night. not even prime kobe or prime Mj. nobody does that and never has. dudes take plays off, moments off, mins off. they play off of certain guys because they think they can get away with it. on most nights if they choose wisely they can. on the wrong night you back to far off that role player and he will light you up. this is the nba. This is something that is not reflected when playing pro am, walk on or the combine. will that be reflected in the league? we shall see.

See I personally want a basketball game that will be so realistic its scary. make it force us to strategize in order to win the game, in order to get by a good defender,etc. vs being bailed out by bad unrealistic animations. or destroyed by those same animations when you did the right thing.

[Korrupted]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

See I personally want a basketball game that will be so realistic its scary. make it force us to strategize in order to win the game, in order to get by a good defender,etc. vs being bailed out by bad unrealistic animations. or destroyed by those same animations when you did the right thing.

I agree 100%. I don't think 2k is capable though. It's always one OP move or Sig style that ruins it. The snatchback and blow by animations could've been nerfed months ago and it's still in the game even after the combine.

In other news there has been a lot of drama between the 2k community and the 2kLeague itself these past 24 to 48 hours. Director of Operations and Team Managers have been blocking people for wanting answers due to unfairness. Teams are said to have handpicked certain players before the combine even finished. 2 People received emails after it was confirmed that all 250 emails were sent out earlier in the day. It's been kinda hectic on Twitter with players and League Team affiliates going back and fourth.

[splashmountain]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

I agree 100%. I don't think 2k is capable though. It's always one OP move or Sig style that ruins it. The snatchback and blow by animations could've been nerfed months ago and it's still in the game even after the combine.

In other news there has been a lot of drama between the 2k community and the 2kLeague itself these past 24 to 48 hours. Director of Operations and Team Managers have been blocking people for wanting answers due to unfairness. Teams are said to have handpicked certain players before the combine even finished. 2 People received emails after it was confirmed that all 250 emails were sent out earlier in the day. It's been kinda hectic on Twitter with players and League Team affiliates going back and fourth.

hey, 2k did it to themselves with what they said about the combine being how players were selected.

what should have happened in this. they should've told the team owners that the combine build of the game is going to be the build/sliders for the league. which means certain archetypes that top pro am players use are not even in the game (no pure playmakers). and certain badges (hall of fame) are not in the game for league play. which can drastically change even the elite pro am players ability to be successful doing what they are known to do. BUT IF the team owners would like to draft half or even 3/4 of the leagues 100+ players from these elite teams. Go ahead and draft the now. The last 20 or so spots will be left up to the supposed best from the combine.

If you do that. then people know the odds are even slimmer and you no know they are not just looking for youtubers/twitchers and elite pro am guys. they are looking for no names that can ball too.

If you do it that way, everything is legit. sure people would've cried about "why did they do it that way." but at least it would've been HONEST from the jump. what they ended up doing was far from being honest. but most of us knew this going in and understood the business logic behind choosing certain people. JUST BE HONEST. it aint that hard.

[MattUQRPodcast]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

hey, 2k did it to themselves with what they said about the combine being how players were selected.

what should have happened in this. they should've told the team owners that the combine build of the game is going to be the build/sliders for the league. which means certain archetypes that top pro am players use are not even in the game (no pure playmakers). and certain badges (hall of fame) are not in the game for league play. which can drastically change even the elite pro am players ability to be successful doing what they are known to do. BUT IF the team owners would like to draft half or even 3/4 of the leagues 100+ players from these elite teams. Go ahead and draft the now. The last 20 or so spots will be left up to the supposed best from the combine.

If you do that. then people know the odds are even slimmer and you no know they are not just looking for youtubers/twitchers and elite pro am guys. they are looking for no names that can ball too.

If you do it that way, everything is legit. sure people would've cried about "why did they do it that way." but at least it would've been HONEST from the jump. what they ended up doing was far from being honest. but most of us knew this going in and understood the business logic behind choosing certain people. JUST BE HONEST. it aint that hard.

I said something like this on the Sim Hangout this past Friday. Of course the NBA already knew who they liked before they even started. Would it have been better if they said this ahead of time, absolutely. However, that's just how these things go. On the Hangout I used an example of when I participated in the D League Draft Camp back in 07. There were 500 of us and only 2 were drafted. They never said they were only going to take 2 but we all knew that's pretty much how it would be. What sucks is now because of this there is this whole nonsense conspiracy that this whole thing was rigged. Knowing who you already like does not make it rigged. It's good business to take the players who already have a big following to get more viewers for the league. At the end of the day the NBA and teams can draft whoever they want for this league. Life just ins't always fair. Yes that sucks, but it is what it is.

[Keith01]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

I said something like this on the Sim Hangout this past Friday. Of course the NBA already knew who they liked before they even started. Would it have been better if they said this ahead of time, absolutely. However, that's just how these things go. On the Hangout I used an example of when I participated in the D League Draft Camp back in 07. There were 500 of us and only 2 were drafted. They never said they were only going to take 2 but we all knew that's pretty much how it would be. What sucks is now because of this there is this whole nonsense conspiracy that this whole thing was rigged. Knowing who you already like does not make it rigged. It's good business to take the players who already have a big following to get more viewers for the league. At the end of the day the NBA and teams can draft whoever they want for this league. Life just ins't always fair. Yes that sucks, but it is what it is.

Right but the 2Kleague messed up.

From the get go there was too much "schmoozing" with the "top" or "known" players. Gave a bad perception, and the latest crap has just fueled it. And the Combine itself was Poop.

I do like a free for all thing to let anyone try out. There's a lot of great players who just don't have the time to grind their players for 100000 hours and then play 10000 pro-am games. The way NBA 2K is now set up, it's more about who the most addicted players are, not who are the "best" players. You shouldn't have to GRIND your CHARACTER to become a top player.

It was probably because of lack of time, but next season they need to have higher standards to get in:

Minimums for

- Pro-am Team wins (This would weed out the TENS OF THOUSANDS of 100% Rookie Noobs we saw in the Combine). So. Many. Noobs. in. Combine.

- Stats. You shot 35% in walkon with 1 assist? See ya bum

- Skills Challenge. You got handles? Ok let's see you dribble around these here orange cones in 30 seconds. lol. They had this in previous 2K games.

- Basketball IQ Challenge. Make the right read in ____ situation. Make the right play in ____ situation. Answer this quiz. They did a quiz for the online application, when they should've done stuff like that to even get into tryouts. BASKETBALL IQ CHALLENGE would've weeded out 75% of players, guaranteed. It's rare.


None of us should ever have to share the virtual court with "What's this button do? What's 2K cam?" guy ever again when money is on the line. Like dude, "WHAT IS YOU DOING". You're trying out to go PRO and you don't even know the friggin controls? Cmon son..

[Thetruth9012]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

You guys now how many non USA players went on that 250 list ??
Im really courious.

[splashmountain]

Re: Official 2k Combine Thread.

You guys now how many non USA players went on that 250 list ??
Im really courious.

excellent question.

and to add to that.

This is what I want to know.

How many non ELITE Pro am/youtubers made it in the 250?

Then how many no namers from the combine made it?

Then how many non US people made it?

And lastly, did any girls/ladies make it?(if so, who are they going to be rooming with? LOL)