Official 2k Combine Thread.

[Cardinal Sin]

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Can we just admit this finally? It's a JOKE! This is just stupid.

I am a good player. I have basketball iq . I have played on top pro am teams. This is STUPID. Why are we sharing the court with people who barely know the controls?? EVERY SINGLE GAME.

They massively failed on this. This should not be the way to get into the league.

Why is the threshold so dang low?

Anyone who shot less than 45% in walkon - CUT
Anyone who has too many contested shots - CUT
Anyone who avgs less than 2 ast a game - CUT

Horrible "basketball" is being played and people aren't even going to get noticed unless they have the "stats". Stats that are 1000% determined on who's on your team. I've gotted multiple triple doubles as a C, but only WHEN I am lucky enough to get the ball AND have teammtes who know how to move without the ball.

There's ZERO skill in this. Pathetic. Way too much dependent on luck and garbage teammates to get your stats.

I would put my bball iq up there with anyone on the game, I've played real basketball since I was 10 years old. Does it matter? NOPE!! If 4 other guys don't know crap, cloggin the paint, don't know how to move without the ball, don't know how to play help defense, etc, it doesn't mean crap. I am SMH 100x every single game sans the rare exception.

I really can't believe this was how the NBA and 2K decided to conduct tryouts. At least have these idiot noobs -- which is what they are -- a basic threshold. 50 games doesn't mean crap. They needed to pass an individual threshold to prove that they weren't absolutely LOW IQ bums.

I agree 50 wins in 31 days is a bad measure of skill, I would have preferred a much more complex system which takes into account win percentage (as the biggest factor) but also somewhat incorporated factors like teammate grade and stats. Therefore in order to make the cut for the combine you would need a high winning percentage and good stats/teammate grade. I suspect there are plenty of people that had records like 50-100 and still qualified (honestly if you have at least 2 friends you should be able to win about 70-80% of walk on games, with that percentage increasing further if you can consistently field an entire team). Yes you would still have some exploiters and/or people who rely on OP badges/their buddies making it but you would eliminate a fair portion of really bad players who "backed" their way into the 50 win mark.

I actually like the general setup of the combine where everyone is on a somewhat even playing field (although they need to allow more practice with jump shots and adjust the sliders lowering the amount of successful contested layups and contact dunks to balance shooting with inside scoring). I think this format would be a good way to separate the good from the elite IF only players who are at least "good" had made it in (which obviously didn't happen for reasons given above).

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The criteria should've definitely been more strict. Telling someone to go out and win 50 games to be eligible is way too easy. Majority of the people in the combine don't belong in there and its obvious as hell lol.

[Hornetz]

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Not that I’m not interested in the combine or the potential of going pro, but personally playing it and not even receiving VC just really makes it super boring. I feel like I’m playing for a very very minor chance of getting drafted and if I don’t then my time was completely wasted with the trade-off of receiving absolutely nothing. On the other hand, it’s a pretty good way for differentiating who is actually playing for the simple competitive aspect.

[splashmountain]

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I agree 50 wins in 31 days is a bad measure of skill, I would have preferred a much more complex system which takes into account win percentage (as the biggest factor) but also somewhat incorporated factors like teammate grade and stats. Therefore in order to make the cut for the combine you would need a high winning percentage and good stats/teammate grade. I suspect there are plenty of people that had records like 50-100 and still qualified (honestly if you have at least 2 friends you should be able to win about 70-80% of walk on games, with that percentage increasing further if you can consistently field an entire team). Yes you would still have some exploiters and/or people who rely on OP badges/their buddies making it but you would eliminate a fair portion of really bad players who "backed" their way into the 50 win mark.

I actually like the general setup of the combine where everyone is on a somewhat even playing field (although they need to allow more practice with jump shots and adjust the sliders lowering the amount of successful contested layups and contact dunks to balance shooting with inside scoring). I think this format would be a good way to separate the good from the elite IF only players who are at least "good" had made it in (which obviously didn't happen for reasons given above).

Win% does not matter. The same reason it doesnt matter in the combine is the same reason it shouldnt matter much when playing regular pro am walk on games to get your 50 with .....randoms.

Some of you wanted it to be more wins but you also probably play with a team or multiple friends you have chemistry with.

You do realize thats a crutch for you. The combine is real life. when it comes to you playing with randoms and people gunning for stats or the wrong things trying to show their talent.

Turn on the real NBA combine and watch how they play when there isnt a legit play maker/floor general out there(doesnt have to be a pg, but it has to be someone thats going to get guys in the right spots and to keep spacing right.) watch how the athletic guys are constantly trying to cut for O-boards and easy buckets. Watch the guys trying to leak out for easy buckets or only play the passing lanes for easy stills. or guys going for shot blocks to get their blks per game stats up when they should just stand there with their hands up. watch guys not switch onto other guys to play great team defense but staying home so their man wont out score them on the stat sheet.

That part is realistic to real life combines. you are not playing with your college teammates in the nba real life pro am. you are playing with guys who played in college and played for other teams who have played under other coaches with different philosophies on how the game should be played on top of guys that have played pro overseas or guys that have been in the gleague trying to get a look. the one thing is. all these guys have played at a high level. now thats not the case for the 50 win people. this is the issue. how do you make sure the combine players are all legit semi pro at worse level players. It's not about just wins. because you can rack up wins with a good team and a playmaker with a hall of fame badge where no one misses unless heavy contested. that means nothing if 2k is planning on having builds without that badge. you will start to brick everything once you get to the real thing. its happening already.

I've played excellent games in walk on and still took that L. had excellent stats to go along with it and still took that L. the reason being. I can't run the offense for us, score all the points, grab all the boards, block all the shots, steal everything, get back on defense, etc, etc, etc... cover your man you keep leaving WIDE OPEN. I can't do all those things all game long. no one can.

the people who are winning are decent but they are also playing with other teammates who have that chemistry. there is no chemistry in the combine unless you get lucky. which is the way a combine should be.

and for those saying the top ballers on the top elite pro am teams should be drafted automatically are wrong too. a lot of those guys are balling off the over powered badges of their player and again their teammates players. you take that away and say still ball out and I guarantee a lot of those dudes are looking like mortals now all of a sudden. now some will ball regardless or find the next exploit quickly(thats why some of them are elite, they can see the flaws in the game quicker than most and they will capitalize on them.)

[JustCallMeSleepy]

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Can we just admit this finally? It's a JOKE! This is just stupid.



I am a good player. I have basketball iq . I have played on top pro am teams. This is STUPID. Why are we sharing the court with people who barely know the controls?? EVERY SINGLE GAME.



They massively failed on this. This should not be the way to get into the league.



Why is the threshold so dang low?



Anyone who shot less than 45% in walkon - CUT

Anyone who has too many contested shots - CUT

Anyone who avgs less than 2 ast a game - CUT



Horrible "basketball" is being played and people aren't even going to get noticed unless they have the "stats". Stats that are 1000% determined on who's on your team. I've gotted multiple triple doubles as a C, but only WHEN I am lucky enough to get the ball AND have teammtes who know how to move without the ball.



There's ZERO skill in this. Pathetic. Way too much dependent on luck and garbage teammates to get your stats.



I would put my bball iq up there with anyone on the game, I've played real basketball since I was 10 years old. Does it matter? NOPE!! If 4 other guys don't know crap, cloggin the paint, don't know how to move without the ball, don't know how to play help defense, etc, it doesn't mean crap. I am SMH 100x every single game sans the rare exception.



I really can't believe this was how the NBA and 2K decided to conduct tryouts. At least have these idiot noobs -- which is what they are -- a basic threshold. 50 games doesn't mean crap. They needed to pass an individual threshold to prove that they weren't absolutely LOW IQ bums.

You’re like.. the angriest person I’ve ever seen, bro.


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[splashmountain]

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I haven't seen improvement. Or if anything, from F to D-. These problems with the players weren't sliders, it was 100% crappy IQ. Spacing, cutting at the wrong time, not rotating, decision making, etc. That crap ain't getting fixed anytime soon unless the noobs exit. I haven't seen it, still dumb players all around.

I had both types of teams last night to finish off my 40 games as a pf.

the 2nd game was ATROCIOUS. i darn near graded out early. i had to survive and by some miracle ended up with an A-. how? i dont even know. The way that team set me up every single time i made a move towards the paint was ridiculous. anytime i was wide open. i would never get the ball. they would only hit me when i made a cut towards the basket when the paint was full. I always make cuts if no one is in there. not to receive the ball everytime. its to catch the defense off guard and to pull guys out of the paint and hopefully someone will get lost in all that player movement(assuming other players are moving too.) dont pass me the ball just because I'm making a cut. pay attention. if there are defenders in their. either hit me early where i can triple threat(shoot the middy, pass, or drive). or let me cut thru back to the other side or back up top then pass it to someone else or take that screen. It turnover after turnover after turnover. my guy running thru crashing into the defense getting the ball stolen or the DUMB 2k kwame brown drop pass animation. like you're playing with baby oil on your fingers. So you would say well stop cutting. i did. start trying to set screens for others. dudes were not taking them. they were running the opposite direction or just jacking with no regard for life. lol. it was so bad it was laughable. i literally had to play the game within the game. "let me see if i can not get kicked out" game. it was no longer about scoring, or rebounding, or anything like that. it just trying to survive.

Then Game 1. of the late night special when the combine started back up again at 2 am eastern or 11 pst time. Was by far the best teammates I have had ever. and thats including my friends on our best day.

EVER.

We looked like the golden state warriors. The passing was so crisp and on point, the movement with a purpose was so on point. the spacing was excellent(its easier when you have 2 shooters out there vs 1 or non. which rarely happens.) The pg was good, the sg, sf, were money and would pass the ball in a heart beat for a better look. but knew when to take their own shots. the big man was really good on both ends so we were great helping one another on defense patrolling that paint. excellent help defense from everyone. But that passing and player movement was Next level. I have never seen a team pass that well and move that well. nor have i played on a team that has passed that well and moved that well.

I'm a pf. i had 12 or 13 assists. 2k gave me 6 turnovers. yes 2k gave me those. you know the ones. you get that rebound, breakstarter bagde kicks in. you even icon to the streaking slasher thats way ahead of everyone. he's about to catch it and 2k says ...NOPE. makes his arm break and reach backwards as his body goes the wrong way for no rhyme or reason. Yeah I had 3 of those. Then i had a dropped pass someone gave me on a beautiful back door cut with no defenders insight. my guy had no business catching and dropping that pass like that. ridiculous. the other was another throwaway when i was 2 feet away from the guy i was passing to and the defender again was not around the guy. like i said. thanks 2k for those 6 turnovers. i would've had 20 assists easily. I know for a fact every player on my team had no less than 6 assists a piece. the pg had well over 10. so you do the math. if the pf has 12 and the pg has 10+ everyone else as 6+. looking like GSW. backcuts, V cuts, back picks, on ball, off ball. guys knowing when to take the pick and fake the pick. slip the pick. the draw and kick was phenomenal from all of us. You could tell they got to a point where the defense was afraid of all of us. they didnt know who to guard and they stop trusting each other because 2 or more guys started to rush after the guy with the ball. that tells me they probably started arguing about "who's man is that." but the game was a good game until we eventually blew it open a bit. man i wish i would've broadcasted that one.

[splashmountain]

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You’re like.. the angriest person I’ve ever seen, bro.


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This combine will do that to you. guess are losing it. lol. its funny and sad at the same time. and you can understand everyone's frustrations.

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SplashMountain It can go way deeper than just Record though. 2k could do "Applications" based on more statistics to see who gets in and who doesn't. I don't think it would be that hard to find a good 3-5 players to run with. Majority of my wins were from Team Pro-Am but I did hit the looking for group post a few times. I haven't played against all of the top players in the combine but the ones that I have come across have put up GOOD numbers on both ends of the court. Take the badges and team chemistry away but match them up against bums and you'll see little to no difference lol. Just saying.

[jyoung]

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This mode should be renamed Paint Wars.

In most of the games I've played lately, every player on the court has picked some kind of slasher build.

People are choosing slashing archetypes because they know that it's hard to hit threes, but it's easy to just turbo dribble into your defender's body, get rewarded with a blowby animation, and then force up a contact layup or contact dunk that has a high chance of either going in or drawing a foul (free throws, for some reason, are an easy 90% shot on all archetypes).

Big men might not be able to turbo dribble through bodies, but when playing off-ball, they can easily hold turbo and push their defender underneath the rim since the defense doesn't have access to any type of "pushback" or "stonewall" shove animations that would allow them to hold their ground. Then once a big man seals you under the rim, they can go right into a high percentage contact layup or an unbreakable contact dunk animation. Or instead of immediately going up with the ball, they can pump fake once or twice, and it will magically move your defender out of the way, even if the only button you're pressing is pointing the right joystick at your man to put your hands straight up. If you jump and try to block their layup/dunk attempt (and you pretty much have to jump once they catch the ball in the restricted area, since the success rate for contact layups/dunks is so high against hands-up defense), then you'll either get pump faked out of position, or get called for a foul, which strangely, gives these Shaq/DeAndre/Drummond/Dwight type players a 90% chance of making both free throws.

I feel like the only way to defend the paint in this mode is to either pick a pure rim protector center, so that your hands-up defense actually impacts inside shot success, or just front everything in the paint, play the passing lanes, and try to intercept all entry passes, which is tough to do since your button timing will be delayed by the input lag that has always existed in 2K online matches.

I do like how 2K has made the outside shooting more difficult in Paint Wars, but the inside mechanics and driving mechanics definitely need some major adjustments before league play starts. I want to see less blowby animations during drives, more "pushback" and "stonewall" animations when a defender has established position inside and the offensive player is just turbo running into him off-ball, no contact dunk animations unless the offensive player has the orange flame icon and is "on fire," lower free throw percentages for slashing builds whose primary skill is athleticism, and lower make percentages for contact layups that are well contested.

[Jesus_Swagglesworth]

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I feel like the only way to defend the paint in this mode is to either pick a pure rim protector center, so that your hands-up defense actually impacts inside shot success, or just front everything in the paint, play the passing lanes, and try to intercept all entry passes, which is tough to do since your button timing will be delayed by the input lag that has always existed in 2K online matches.

I've tried the intercepting thing a lot, and it just doesn't work at a high enough rate to be useful across 24 minutes of constant paint spam. Normal pro-am where the offense is more balanced is a better environment to do this.

I don't think the problem is input lag or network lag. There's a lot of garbage animations in this game, and a lot of the interception/steal animations are useless.

The start-up of a lot of those animations are either way too slow or the interception/steal window isn't long enough, thus just making people whiff and look stupid.

This makes sense for a non-defensive player, but to have pure defenders whiffing out there doesn't make sense. I think they just aren't looking at other competitive esport titles to learn a thing or 2 lol.

[Keith01]

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Win% does not matter. The same reason it doesnt matter in the combine is the same reason it shouldnt matter much when playing regular pro am walk on games to get your 50 with .....randoms.

Some of you wanted it to be more wins but you also probably play with a team or multiple friends you have chemistry with.

You do realize thats a crutch for you. The combine is real life. when it comes to you playing with randoms and people gunning for stats or the wrong things trying to show their talent.

Turn on the real NBA combine and watch how they play when there isnt a legit play maker/floor general out there(doesnt have to be a pg, but it has to be someone thats going to get guys in the right spots and to keep spacing right.) watch how the athletic guys are constantly trying to cut for O-boards and easy buckets. Watch the guys trying to leak out for easy buckets or only play the passing lanes for easy stills. or guys going for shot blocks to get their blks per game stats up when they should just stand there with their hands up. watch guys not switch onto other guys to play great team defense but staying home so their man wont out score them on the stat sheet.

That part is realistic to real life combines. you are not playing with your college teammates in the nba real life pro am. you are playing with guys who played in college and played for other teams who have played under other coaches with different philosophies on how the game should be played on top of guys that have played pro overseas or guys that have been in the gleague trying to get a look. the one thing is. all these guys have played at a high level. now thats not the case for the 50 win people. this is the issue. how do you make sure the combine players are all legit semi pro at worse level players. It's not about just wins. because you can rack up wins with a good team and a playmaker with a hall of fame badge where no one misses unless heavy contested. that means nothing if 2k is planning on having builds without that badge. you will start to brick everything once you get to the real thing. its happening already.

I've played excellent games in walk on and still took that L. had excellent stats to go along with it and still took that L. the reason being. I can't run the offense for us, score all the points, grab all the boards, block all the shots, steal everything, get back on defense, etc, etc, etc... cover your man you keep leaving WIDE OPEN. I can't do all those things all game long. no one can.

the people who are winning are decent but they are also playing with other teammates who have that chemistry. there is no chemistry in the combine unless you get lucky. which is the way a combine should be.

and for those saying the top ballers on the top elite pro am teams should be drafted automatically are wrong too. a lot of those guys are balling off the over powered badges of their player and again their teammates players. you take that away and say still ball out and I guarantee a lot of those dudes are looking like mortals now all of a sudden. now some will ball regardless or find the next exploit quickly(thats why some of them are elite, they can see the flaws in the game quicker than most and they will capitalize on them.)

True but, like you said, that's a huge issue having a buncha rooks in combine. It's like if legit NBA prospects that went to Div. 1 colleges are sharing the court with a 60 year old 500 lb out of shape dude just there to troll.

The criteria to even be apart of tryouts needed to be way tougher.

And this process is crap because it depends waaay too much on luck aka having teammates that know how to play -- which 90% of the time, doesn't happen.

[Aaron_James]

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Still just confused on how guys are getting crazy stats at pg averaging 20 pts and 15 assists. Like how?

[Keith01]

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Had ONE game today where we won by 40. It was a squad sent from the heavens above, great chemistry, team defense, great passing and moving without the ball. The other team frustrated as hell. Then the next reminded me, on yeah, I remember how this goes. The mental midget squad back in full force. Being a C, I frickin can't stand PF's. They are the 6th defender but on your own team. Unbelievable this guy thought the gameplan was to give him the ball EVERY single possession. Oh and he never guarded his man, like at all. Worst type of player.

His name on xbox is "Coke Boy OP", which I think fits him perfectly 'cause he literally plays like he's on crack. God help you if you find yourself unlucky enough to be on his team. Ruined the entire game. How the heck is this mode 18+, these dudes play like they're 2.

[Keith01]

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You’re like.. the angriest person I’ve ever seen, bro.


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Like, no. You obviously don't play 2KL combine, or you'd be just as annoyed. Or maybe you're one of the noobs/trolls ruining the experience for everyone else.

[Keith01]

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I had both types of teams last night to finish off my 40 games as a pf.

the 2nd game was ATROCIOUS. i darn near graded out early. i had to survive and by some miracle ended up with an A-. how? i dont even know. The way that team set me up every single time i made a move towards the paint was ridiculous. anytime i was wide open. i would never get the ball. they would only hit me when i made a cut towards the basket when the paint was full. I always make cuts if no one is in there. not to receive the ball everytime. its to catch the defense off guard and to pull guys out of the paint and hopefully someone will get lost in all that player movement(assuming other players are moving too.) dont pass me the ball just because I'm making a cut. pay attention. if there are defenders in their. either hit me early where i can triple threat(shoot the middy, pass, or drive). or let me cut thru back to the other side or back up top then pass it to someone else or take that screen. It turnover after turnover after turnover. my guy running thru crashing into the defense getting the ball stolen or the DUMB 2k kwame brown drop pass animation. like you're playing with baby oil on your fingers. So you would say well stop cutting. i did. start trying to set screens for others. dudes were not taking them. they were running the opposite direction or just jacking with no regard for life. lol. it was so bad it was laughable. i literally had to play the game within the game. "let me see if i can not get kicked out" game. it was no longer about scoring, or rebounding, or anything like that. it just trying to survive.

Then Game 1. of the late night special when the combine started back up again at 2 am eastern or 11 pst time. Was by far the best teammates I have had ever. and thats including my friends on our best day.

EVER.

We looked like the golden state warriors. The passing was so crisp and on point, the movement with a purpose was so on point. the spacing was excellent(its easier when you have 2 shooters out there vs 1 or non. which rarely happens.) The pg was good, the sg, sf, were money and would pass the ball in a heart beat for a better look. but knew when to take their own shots. the big man was really good on both ends so we were great helping one another on defense patrolling that paint. excellent help defense from everyone. But that passing and player movement was Next level. I have never seen a team pass that well and move that well. nor have i played on a team that has passed that well and moved that well.

I'm a pf. i had 12 or 13 assists. 2k gave me 6 turnovers. yes 2k gave me those. you know the ones. you get that rebound, breakstarter bagde kicks in. you even icon to the streaking slasher thats way ahead of everyone. he's about to catch it and 2k says ...NOPE. makes his arm break and reach backwards as his body goes the wrong way for no rhyme or reason. Yeah I had 3 of those. Then i had a dropped pass someone gave me on a beautiful back door cut with no defenders insight. my guy had no business catching and dropping that pass like that. ridiculous. the other was another throwaway when i was 2 feet away from the guy i was passing to and the defender again was not around the guy. like i said. thanks 2k for those 6 turnovers. i would've had 20 assists easily. I know for a fact every player on my team had no less than 6 assists a piece. the pg had well over 10. so you do the math. if the pf has 12 and the pg has 10+ everyone else as 6+. looking like GSW. backcuts, V cuts, back picks, on ball, off ball. guys knowing when to take the pick and fake the pick. slip the pick. the draw and kick was phenomenal from all of us. You could tell they got to a point where the defense was afraid of all of us. they didnt know who to guard and they stop trusting each other because 2 or more guys started to rush after the guy with the ball. that tells me they probably started arguing about "who's man is that." but the game was a good game until we eventually blew it open a bit. man i wish i would've broadcasted that one.

I get those good teammates about 1 out of every 10 games. It's amazing the difference. "Oh you mean I don't have to play help defense on 3 crappy defenders who keep getting beat? No way!"

This mode is a roller coaster, mostly the ones that make you puke. Just played a game where PG was clearly just there to troll. Holding ball for 20 sec (all our to's were gone) then jacking it up from 40 feet. This mode is freakin laughable because they're trying to make it all legit on twitter. THE REAL NBA is behind this, a billlion dollar corp. And they come up with this trash mode where good players have to deal with dudes who have no business being allowed in the combine. Whats' laughable about it is that this is the "official tryout mode" for an actual legitimate corp. like the NBA. It's like if a 600 lb dude went to to tryout for the Warriors and they let him play on the court with college prospects.