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  • ch46647
    MVP
    • Aug 2006
    • 3515

    #286
    Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

    Originally posted by qjrchris2
    I'm not a part of simnation but I've been around these forums for a long time and I totally agree with this. Especially jab stepping as it appears to do actually nothing in 2k18. The animation itself is funky looking and even simple pump faking granted no reaction from the defense. I really hope this isn't the case in this years game.
    I agree. The two fundamental offensive weapons that are not effective at all in NBA 2K18 are the jab step and pump fake. AI defenders do not react to either action, and both are vitally important to creating space and being effective on offense.

    Sounds like Czar and OG spent a significant amount of time on the defensive end for 2K19. Hopefully, the AI was improved in these areas.

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    • vannwolfhawk
      MVP
      • Jun 2009
      • 3412

      #287
      Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

      Originally posted by ch46647
      I agree. The two fundamental offensive weapons that are not effective at all in NBA 2K18 are the jab step and pump fake. AI defenders do not react to either action, and both are vitally important to creating space and being effective on offense.

      Sounds like Czar and OG spent a significant amount of time on the defensive end for 2K19. Hopefully, the AI was improved in these areas.
      Pretty sure Zach Timmerman is in charge of all post game and triple threat moves. He probably hates me! Lol
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      • Impetuous65
        MVP
        • Feb 2015
        • 1451

        #288
        Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

        Coming through with my annual request since 2K16
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        • vannwolfhawk
          MVP
          • Jun 2009
          • 3412

          #289
          Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

          Originally posted by Impetuous65
          Coming through with my annual request since 2K16
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          I’m not a fan of the on screen displays for immersion reasons and usually I turn those off minus the shot feedback. But I agree with you it should be an option to turn on or off. Especially for guys who are using ACE to know what changes were made through ACE. There are definitely times they changed something and I’d give up a wide open lane, 3, or screw up my pnr coverage not knowing what we were in or that a change was made. Then I’d have to call my own adjustment to make sure I knew... you could do the way you showed in video or possibly another alternative way but regardless of how it should be an option somewhere...
          Last edited by vannwolfhawk; 07-25-2018, 03:29 PM.
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          • turty11
            All Star
            • Apr 2013
            • 8923

            #290
            Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

            As far as the jab step goes its only actual use is the "double jab" that helps you explode out of a standstill and beat your dribbler or a jab-spin to try and create an angle (its a very very rarely used NBA move though and its animation is wack). A single jabstep doesnt do anything most of the time and if you dont chain it, dont bother.




            The double jab is actually my go to move this year because it lets me bypass the lack of fluidity in 2k's dribbling system, leads to more "proper/realistic" blow bys, and lets me take advantage of athleticism much more frequently.


            You can see myers leonard working on the double jab that you should be using in 2k here


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            • Impetuous65
              MVP
              • Feb 2015
              • 1451

              #291
              Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

              Originally posted by vannwolfhawk
              I’m not a fan of the on screen displays for immersion reasons and usually I turn those off minus the shot feedback. But I agree with you it should be an option to turn on or off. Especially for guys who are using ACE to know what changes were made through ACE. There are definitely times they changed something and I’d give up a wide open lane, 3, or screw up my pnr coverage not knowing what we were in or that a change was made. Then I’d have to call my own adjustment to make sure I knew... you could do the way you showed in video or possibly another alternative way but regardless of how it should be an option somewhere...
              I have never been of the mindset of "immersion factor" I know I'm playing a game and I like to make informed decisions without calling a lot of timeouts and pressing the pause button. I see the H.U.D. as my own telemetry data.

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              • olajuwon34
                Pro
                • Aug 2017
                • 681

                #292
                Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

                Originally posted by Da_Czar
                That is a lot of fluent movement your willing to give up. A lot of play stuff we are doing now just isn't possible on that old engine. This is the issue with making games that kicks you in the stones. There is no silver bullet. We may be able to bring it back around but it will take some time to keep the fluency of motion while also giving the players weight.

                To reduce sliding what you're saying is you are willing to give up the ability to have your player be as responsive. All that foot-planting means your throwing your stick and he is not moving, He is playing a weighted cut. Not everyone is a fan of that even though it looks good it doesn't always feel good.

                Please note these are my personal opinions on the subject and in no way represents 2k's train of thought on this. If you go back through the forums when those games were out one of the big complaints was about our motion. Yall were steady upset with how long it took actions to develop. Well, we fixed some of that but it came at a cost.

                So it is a balancing act between user control and foot planting or weight based movement. The best selling basketball games have always had some sliding because they have the smoothest animations.

                Personally, I wouldn't trade the offensive fluency of movement we have now solely for better foot planting.
                My biggest problem with the new motion system, is it pushes a certain type of play style to be effective, that is mainly just space and kick to people wide open when someone helps. For me it feels way to hard to hit a cutter because its too deceiving to tell when he will actually be able to catch it. Or posting up, you guys changed the post mechanics last year, harder to hit shots greatly, and because defenders can just slide around and basically double team you, but they dont really have to commit to the double team, that could also be the size and court ratio problem thats been in the past couple games.

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                • MarkWilliam
                  72-10
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 2325

                  #293
                  Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

                  Originally posted by qjrchris2
                  The jab step may not be as frequently used nowadays but it should still be in the game and animated properly to create space. That isn't the case in 2k18. Defenders don't react to it at all. When using the 90's bulls in the game I would love to be able to do this with Mike. He used this move quite often to get the defender off balance and it was effective.


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                  I'm sorry but any post with an MJ clip in it is an auto like for me

                  Would be amazing if we could use jabs like this....

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                  • Vni
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 14833

                    #294
                    Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

                    That jab was pretty sick. He faked a fake and then faked the take off. How could you not react to it.

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                    • vannwolfhawk
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 3412

                      #295
                      Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

                      I’ve been discussing this in the post thread as well, but here are some more examples of the jab step and creating space in the face up post game in what we should be able to do in it. Defenders do not react to it at all in 18. Put a couple perimeter examples at the end. How do I embed videos and spoiler like above?

                      Joe Johnson - great examples


                      Zbo face up, jab, fade shot


                      Amare - jab and defender reaction


                      A. Davis


                      Melo 2:13 & 3:00 marks in video

                      Another quick melo example


                      Al Horford
                      https://youtu.be/W-8R2KRkl9Q


                      Here are examples of the jab on the perimeter...

                      Kobe - he uses small jabs
                      https://youtu.be/3sYuZ6Oftfk

                      Ginobili
                      https://youtu.be/myqt686cWeA
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                      • turty11
                        All Star
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 8923

                        #296
                        Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

                        on the youtube video page click share then embed.



                        One day hopefully defenders will react to jab steps and we can properly play out of the triple threat.
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                        • jclazaris84
                          Rookie
                          • Feb 2018
                          • 303

                          #297
                          Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

                          would love to see the jab's effectiveness boosted vs the cpu as well. the jumpshot game really hurt in 2k18 because of the constant smothering defense.
                          Last edited by jclazaris84; 07-26-2018, 06:38 PM.

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                          • AllStarDaDon
                            Pro
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 932

                            #298
                            Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

                            I play other users 95% of the time and the jab steps work good. Because humans are going to react to jab steps but because they are scared to death to get scared on haha. Only time it doesn’t work is when they are close doing that crowd dribbler animation.

                            Anybody on Xbox still playing this game?
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                            Same name as my PSN
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                            Originally posted by JasonWilliams55
                            This video game is a SIMULATION of BASKETBALL. Sure its not 100% perfect, but its pretty damn good. You will not get a SIMULATION STYLE BASKETBALL GAME by PLAYING SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHAT SIMULATION MEANS.


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                            • alabamarob
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3340

                              #299
                              Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

                              The triple threat works for me vs the cpu. If they dont bite i just use it and explode out of it for a drive. Especially off of a post up.
                              Last edited by alabamarob; 07-27-2018, 08:51 AM.
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                              • 23
                                yellow
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 66469

                                #300
                                Re: Simnation are y'all still around?

                                Originally posted by alabamarob
                                The triple threat works for me vs the cpu. If they dont bite i just just it and explode out of it for a drive. Especially off of a post up.
                                Listen to this man... he knows ALL the veteran moves

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