Contested Shot Making. Sim or Not Sim?: A Proposition

[AllStarDaDon]

Re: Contested Shot Making. Sim or Not Sim?: A Proposition

Playing with snot meters is that fake ball. Green beans and green releases and all this other BS cats care about.

It feels and looks better shooting with no shot meter. There’s no instant feedback in real life like heavily contested, or I shot to late or early. It’s just fun shooting the shot, going off feel, and making a note in your head. Like alright I held my shot for to long, or shot too early, or I didn’t follow thru. I don’t see how sim guys play with shot feed back and meters, I thought the point was to recreate what we see on TV?

Idk man this is the NBA I see guys hit contested shots all the time. Multiple times a quarter, many times a game. I’m not even talking about like stars like KD I mean regular role and bench players hit contested tough shots all the time. And then some times they miss wide open easy ones. It’s a make or miss league.

[mfdoom911e]

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Playing with snot meters is that fake ball. Green beans and green releases and all this other BS cats care about.

It feels and looks better shooting with no shot meter. There’s no instant feedback in real life like heavily contested, or I shot to late or early. It’s just fun shooting the shot, going off feel, and making a note in your head. Like alright I held my shot for to long, or shot too early, or I didn’t follow thru. I don’t see how sim guys play with shot feed back and meters, I thought the point was to recreate what we see on TV?

Idk man this is the NBA I see guys hit contested shots all the time. Multiple times a quarter, many times a game. I’m not even talking about like stars like KD I mean regular role and bench players hit contested tough shots all the time. And then some times they miss wide open easy ones. It’s a make or miss league.

I swear man nobody want to discuss this idea. its like people didnt see anything and just pass through it. sometimes i wonder if people who ask realistically knows what exactly what they want in the game. actually ill rephrase that people actually knows only one thing, is to make sure that the game allowed them to win at all times or else hell broke loose and that ish is broken. they want the game to replicate real NBA basketball but not so much coz then its not fun..??? like seriously the F is this type of comment. they giving this type of suggestions yet they dismissed that suggestion once they start loosing.

people will say it will not happen bcoz casual has no time for this type of things. but i think if 2k start removing meter and green nobody can do anything the same thing with VC just..learn it, live it, love it!!

Plus this will be a E-league game changer coz now gamers really need to look for the open shot not by dribbling a lot bcoz fatigue will hit em like Mike said and they will not rely on that shot meter green thing if ever they have open shot they need to rely on muscle memory or player animation which is in fact a "stick skill" especially if all that defense thing was fix.

[stillfeelme]

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Making Contested shots is Sim it all depends on the probability of it happening. It all depends what you consider what is contested.

NBA stats.com breaks down shooting by how close a contest by very tight and tight defense most players are not shooting very tightly contested shots which is 0-2ft from a defender. Lillard took the most of these all year 35 total all regular season and only made 10 shots. This is usually a bad shot. Now for tight defense 2-4ft away from a defender Curry was 28 for 90 31% from 3pt land Harden 34.5% on 217 attempts.

I hope the Takeover in the end doesnt mess up the shooting stats could so Xplayer can takeover. I think Mike Wang accounted for this

[ksuttonjr76]

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I swear man nobody want to discuss this idea. its like people didnt see anything and just pass through it. sometimes i wonder if people who ask realistically knows what exactly what they want in the game. actually ill rephrase that people actually knows only one thing, is to make sure that the game allowed them to win at all times or else hell broke loose and that ish is broken. they want the game to replicate real NBA basketball but not so much coz then its not fun..??? like seriously the F is this type of comment. they giving this type of suggestions yet they dismissed that suggestion once they start loosing.

people will say it will not happen bcoz casual has no time for this type of things. but i think if 2k start removing meter and green nobody can do anything the same thing with VC just..learn it, live it, love it!!

Plus this will be a E-league game changer coz now gamers really need to look for the open shot not by dribbling a lot bcoz fatigue will hit em like Mike said and they will not rely on that shot meter green thing if ever they have open shot they need to rely on muscle memory or player animation which is in fact a "stick skill" especially if all that defense thing was fix.

The more and more I read this thread, the more I'm really starting to lean towards removing instant feedback and shot meter from the online modes. Put the accountability on the user to LEARN how to play the game, then give them feedback and viewable stats to review AFTER the game is over. People who use random teams in PNO need to realize that they're a very small minority, and they just need to utilize the practice modes.

EDIT: Viewable stats meaning that you can view your shot summary at the end of the game where it show you the feedback on that shot and give you a total summary of your overall performance. For example:

80% Open
10% Heavily Contested
5% Lightly Contested
5% Smothered

20% Excellent Release
70% Early Release
10% Late Release

These stats would indicate to the player that they did a great job of getting open, but was rushing the shot when they got the ball.

[mfdoom911e]

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The more and more I read this thread, the more I'm really starting to lean towards removing instant feedback and shot meter from the online modes. Put the accountability on the user to LEARN how to play the game, then give them feedback and viewable stats to review AFTER the game is over. People who use random teams in PNO need to realize that they're a very small minority, and they just need to utilize the practice modes.

EDIT: Viewable stats meaning that you can view your shot summary at the end of the game where it show you the feedback on that shot and give you a total summary of your overall performance. For example:

80% Open
10% Heavily Contested
5% Lightly Contested
5% Smothered

20% Excellent Release
70% Early Release
10% Late Release

These stats would indicate to the player that they did a great job of getting open, but was rushing the shot when they got the ball.

^^^this is actually a great idea and new. makes you aware of how you played the game.

[AllStarDaDon]

Re: Contested Shot Making. Sim or Not Sim?: A Proposition

The more and more I read this thread, the more I'm really starting to lean towards removing instant feedback and shot meter from the online modes. Put the accountability on the user to LEARN how to play the game, then give them feedback and viewable stats to review AFTER the game is over. People who use random teams in PNO need to realize that they're a very small minority, and they just need to utilize the practice modes.

EDIT: Viewable stats meaning that you can view your shot summary at the end of the game where it show you the feedback on that shot and give you a total summary of your overall performance. For example:

80% Open
10% Heavily Contested
5% Lightly Contested
5% Smothered

20% Excellent Release
70% Early Release
10% Late Release

These stats would indicate to the player that they did a great job of getting open, but was rushing the shot when they got the ball.

I love this. That’s the mentality.

I remember back in the day 2Ks cover use to say “#1 Basketball Simulation” wish we could go back to those days where you had to master the game then be nice enough, instead of taking a 20 dollar bribe to get better.

I’ve been saying this for years guys just aren’t as nice as they think they are. if dudes humbled them selves and spend time labbing and practicing like the sim veterans did the game would be great. 2K drops with a learning curve, casuals day the game is to hard, they patch it, patch ruins something rinse and repeat.

The game is good, but it’s even better when you master how to play and use everything.

[Comduklakis]

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The dirty little secret is that NBA players shoot a far better percentage on contested shots than you think, shoot a far worse percentage on open shots than you think, and miss far more shots in the paint than you think.

That data is available and it may surprise some. Even top shooters like Curry are NOT dropping 60% on open threes. In fact only a bare few hit 50% on open threes. Only elite finishers are hitting 60% in the paint. And the different between contested and open shooting percentages on threes is often only 8-10%.

[T.B]

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Isn't their a individual rating for contested shots? If so this thread should be over

[4xChamp]

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The dirty little secret is that NBA players shoot a far better percentage on contested shots than you think, shoot a far worse percentage on open shots than you think, and miss far more shots in the paint than you think.

That data is available and it may surprise some. Even top shooters like Curry are NOT dropping 60% on open threes. In fact only a bare few hit 50% on open threes. Only elite finishers are hitting 60% in the paint. And the different between contested and open shooting percentages on threes is often only 8-10%.

this is a video game and shooting needs to be balanced excuses like this just defend cheesers to keep taking stupid shots in my opinion, this isnt gonna help 2k get better, rewarding open shots is only way to increase skill gap

[4xChamp]

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Isn't their a individual rating for contested shots? If so this thread should be over

when my friend who never been good at 2k in his life until this year cause hes a pure sharp, tells me this when i ask why the F did you wait so long to shoot that wide open shot? he no lie said to me " i have a 99 contested 3 so i waited for him to contest me before i shot it so i can green" i reply to him yeah its not obvious you dont know anything about basketball or anything ya F'in newb, this is what needs to be fixed in 2k, bums are that know nothing about bball benefit from current shooting system, not people who actually know how to get open shots

[Keith01]

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heres my stance on this issue, dead eye on ever build aka demi gods is what broke 2k15, and ever since then 2k has had broken shooting, i understand in real nba they can score in peoples faces, but this is a video game there has to be a skill gap, and i think the skill gap should reward those who can get open shots, not those who time heavily contested shots, with that said im not saying dont reward timing, no timing still needs to take skill for skill gap, but they should reward openness on shot more than equate timing percentage into the formula....

now about dead eye, i hate it, it rewards people to take contested shots, there should be a anti dead eye badge called knock down shooter that rewards people who take wide open shots

Deadeye Badge is the stupidest thing to happen to videogames in the last 200 years.

[T.B]

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when my friend who never been good at 2k in his life until this year cause hes a pure sharp, tells me this when i ask why the F did you wait so long to shoot that wide open shot? he no lie said to me " i have a 99 contested 3 so i waited for him to contest me before i shot it so i can green" i reply to him yeah its not obvious you dont know anything about basketball or anything ya F'in newb, this is what needs to be fixed in 2k, bums are that know nothing about bball benefit from current shooting system, not people who actually know how to get open shots

Unfortunately that's realistic. Kd in 2k will hit contested 6/10 times whereas LeBron won't hit contested 3 often
If created players have 99 contested that's better than kd so is you have to jump to contest shots because hands up will get you killed .

[ksuttonjr76]

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Unfortunately that's realistic. Kd in 2k will hit contested 6/10 times whereas LeBron won't hit contested 3 often
If created players have 99 contested that's better than kd so is you have to jump to contest shots because hands up will get you killed .

I'm going to presume that misunderstood what he wrote. There's NOTHING realistic about a player waiting for a defender to come out and contest their shot....

[T.B]

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I'm going to presume that misunderstood what he wrote. There's NOTHING realistic about a player waiting for a defender to come out and contest their shot....

I'm talking about the game overall

[loso_34]

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^^^this is actually a great idea and new. makes you aware of how you played the game.

didnt they already have this under your VIP stats? i think you'd see these stats in the load up screen.

I dont use a shot meter but do turn on shot feedback.