"Buying your Player"

[Kleinevos]

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Banning consumer choice is never progress, it's regression. Thank goodness I live in a country where we have freedom of choice.

Yay for corporate playgrounds then


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[ODogg]

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Yay for corporate playgrounds then


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Yay for bashing those big, bad, evil corporations! You may be happy that your government has chosen to think for you and take your choice away but I think that is an awful "solution"..

Capitalism is what we have here in the United States and how it works is pretty simple. It works based upon how consumers vote with their money is how. Considering 2K is doing well the consumer is voting in favor of VC.

You may not like it, you may want to bash it, you may grind and gnash your teeth and rage against it but ultimately the only reason VC works the way that it does is because the majority of people vote with their wallets to support it.

Consumer choice, as is the case here, is not always popular across the board but it is the reality that drives the market.

You want to know a dirty little secret? I'd wager about half the people in this thread complaining about VC and wanting rid of it have purchased it in the past.

Sort of reminds me of McDonalds, everyone complains about how horrible the food is, how bad it is for you, etc..no one usually admits they eat it and yet they serve millions of burgers and make massive profits each year.

Funny how that works isn't it?

[Kleinevos]

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Yay for bashing those big, bad, evil corporations! Capitalism is what we have here in the United States and how it works is pretty simple. It works based upon how consumers vote with their money is how. Considering 2K is doing well the consumer is voting in favor of VC.



You may not like it, you may want to bash it, you may grind and gnash your teeth and rage against it but ultimately the only reason VC works the way that it does is because the majority of people vote with their wallets to support it.



Consumer choice, as is the case here, is not always popular across the board but it is the reality that drives the market.



You want to know a dirty little secret? I'd wager about half the people in this thread complaining about VC and wanting rid of it have purchased it in the past.



Sort of reminds me of McDonalds, everyone complains about how horrible the food is, how bad it is for you, etc..no one usually admits they eat it and yet they serve millions of burgers and make massive profits each year. Funny how that works isn't it?

I dont mind vc tbh.
But i am against lootboxes


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[ODogg]

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I dont mind vc tbh.
But i am against lootboxes


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I 100% support your right to oppose anything and I would hope if you do that you don't vote with your wallet and buy it to affect change. I do not, however, support the government intervening and being the consumer's "Mommy and Daddy" and protecting them from those big evil corporations.

Let the market work and what should fail will fail. The gaming industry is filled with examples where developers have tried to impose fees or costs on items that consumers have loudly rejected (anyone remember the $2.99 horse armor for Skyrim or one of those games? LOL)

[ILLSmak]

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In addition to that, how you choose to experience the game somehow has bearing on them. It forces 2K into even more "exploitative" practices. And thats somehow your fault. Like you dont have good enough sense to know if you're getting ripped off. They're smart enough to recognize it, but you arent. You just want to enjoy the product. Nothing more. Nothing less. They talking about nobility and stuff. I'm starting to think they're just cheap as hell honestly. None of their arguments make sense. Hopefully the grind is scaled back this year but until they can be 90s day one without spending a time, or much time, they'll be complaining.

haha, well, I don't wanna go all 4xmvp 'I'm an anonymous great online player gracing you with my input', but if the grind IS scaled back this year, it's because of people like us who don't buy VC and spoke out whenever we could, who didn't buy the game until it was on sale for half price or less. That's not a noble cause? If a 2k rep came in and posted the stuff you posted, 2k would lose sales. Why do you feel the need to defend them?


Also, I'd like to say, that I feel I have been a productive member of this community. If you look back at a lot of my suggestions, or threads where we discussed suggestions, I think a lot of us together have had a great impact on the game.



I buy a game for 60. I must not wanna enjoy the product if I don't pay 60 more. I bought the game to punish myself. haha.



The list price is 60, not 120. I am able to get 'enjoyment' out of 2k. Like I said, I had a good amount of fun offline last year. It was worth the 30 bucks.



You aren't getting exploited, you weighed the risk vs reward (in a way), and chose the sensible option. The practice is exploitation, though. There's no argument. We'll see how the game is this year after our "noble effort" to get them to scale back VC.


-Smak

[Kleinevos]

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I 100% support your right to oppose anything and I would hope if you do that you don't vote with your wallet and buy it to affect change. I do not, however, support the government intervening and being the consumer's "Mommy and Daddy" and protecting them from those big evil corporations.



Let the market work and what should fail will fail. The gaming industry is filled with examples where developers have tried to impose fees or costs on items that consumers have loudly rejected (anyone remember the $2.99 horse armor for Skyrim or one of those games? LOL)

Of course i do

I never bought lootboxes or mcdo hamburgers


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[Hirtec]

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Banning consumer choice is never progress, it's regression. Thank goodness I live in a country where we have freedom of choice.

To reference Jim Sterling: So it's okay for you that casinos would tell their fans to contact the government and tell them that they want children to be albe to gamble?

[ryocoola31]

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This thread is poison. Everyone one these dudes complaining about other people buying better not be supporting 2k and buying the game.

They are way more expensive things in life that go up yearly and without just cause. And we have people complaining about an extra 40 dollars that literally has stayed the same since last year with promise that you can get more of it quicker.

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[Find_the_Door]

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The real grind is from 85 to 95+ anyways (shrugs)

[Bernte]

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Even if you don't buy VC, your purchase of the game itself is a vote of support for the product they are supplying, that being the game that drives people to purchase VC. Your purchase of the game is still saying yes, I accept what you are producing.

The only people who can really sit on their high horse (if we're going to decide that's a thing here) are those who abstain from buying altogether. Otherwise, you're still supporting what they do. Maybe not with as much money as others, but support all the same. The only true vote against this movement to increased VC is a lack of purchase altogether (or yes buy used).

By purchasing the game, even if you don't buy VC, you signal to 2k that their behaviour is OK because you will still buy the product in the state that they are providing it. That state being pushing for VC money.

Every person who buys says we can tolerate what you're doing here, not just the VC buyers. Everyone who buys says this isn't so bad that we will stop giving you money.

Fact is most people on here complaining will buy regardless, so if you do don't think you're above the VC people making some stand when you're supporting their actions too. Props to those who actually back up their words by not buying, good on you for speaking with your wallet because that's the voice that is actually heard.

eh, actually no, that's totally not true. if everyone would buy the game, but wouldn't spend a single dime on vc, vc would be gone before you could say "money grab".

[Junior Moe]

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haha, well, I don't wanna go all 4xmvp 'I'm an anonymous great online player gracing you with my input', but if the grind IS scaled back this year, it's because of people like us who don't buy VC and spoke out whenever we could, who didn't buy the game until it was on sale for half price or less. That's not a noble cause? If a 2k rep came in and posted the stuff you posted, 2k would lose sales. Why do you feel the need to defend them?


Also, I'd like to say, that I feel I have been a productive member of this community. If you look back at a lot of my suggestions, or threads where we discussed suggestions, I think a lot of us together have had a great impact on the game.



I buy a game for 60. I must not wanna enjoy the product if I don't pay 60 more. I bought the game to punish myself. haha.



The list price is 60, not 120. I am able to get 'enjoyment' out of 2k. Like I said, I had a good amount of fun offline last year. It was worth the 30 bucks.



You aren't getting exploited, you weighed the risk vs reward (in a way), and chose the sensible option. The practice is exploitation, though. There's no argument. We'll see how the game is this year after our "noble effort" to get them to scale back VC.


-Smak

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't see anything exploitative about how or what a fully grown adult chooses to spend their time or money on. Or a company creating a product that said indivual likes and enjoys and don't mind spending on. I just get lost when others tell people (someone said in this thread) that they are part of the "problem" for enjoying a product how they see fit. And we will see now that VC has been adjusted how many of the same people still gripe and complain about how unfair and greedy it is.

[MrWrestling3]

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I 100% support your right to oppose anything and I would hope if you do that you don't vote with your wallet and buy it to affect change. I do not, however, support the government intervening and being the consumer's "Mommy and Daddy" and protecting them from those big evil corporations.

Let the market work and what should fail will fail. The gaming industry is filled with examples where developers have tried to impose fees or costs on items that consumers have loudly rejected (anyone remember the $2.99 horse armor for Skyrim or one of those games? LOL)

Keep in mind the other poster is talking about lootboxes only.Different countries in Europe have different standards of regulation on gambling (much as the different states do here in America). In this case, the courts ruled loot boxes to be unregulated gambling, and therefore not legal.

haha, well, I don't wanna go all 4xmvp 'I'm an anonymous great online player gracing you with my input', but if the grind IS scaled back this year, it's because of people like us who don't buy VC and spoke out whenever we could, who didn't buy the game until it was on sale for half price or less. That's not a noble cause? If a 2k rep came in and posted the stuff you posted, 2k would lose sales. Why do you feel the need to defend them?


Also, I'd like to say, that I feel I have been a productive member of this community. If you look back at a lot of my suggestions, or threads where we discussed suggestions, I think a lot of us together have had a great impact on the game.



I buy a game for 60. I must not wanna enjoy the product if I don't pay 60 more. I bought the game to punish myself. haha.



The list price is 60, not 120. I am able to get 'enjoyment' out of 2k. Like I said, I had a good amount of fun offline last year. It was worth the 30 bucks.



You aren't getting exploited, you weighed the risk vs reward (in a way), and chose the sensible option. The practice is exploitation, though. There's no argument. We'll see how the game is this year after our "noble effort" to get them to scale back VC.


-Smak

Great post,I think it addresses the core matter correctly.

eh, actually no, that's totally not true. if everyone would buy the game, but wouldn't spend a single dime on vc, vc would be gone before you could say "money grab".

I will deny that you are incorrect...I do however think that now that the VC genie is out of the bottle, it's never going away barring something incredibly drastic occurring.

IMO the question is more what level of monetization is acceptable without interfering with the experience.Personally, I don't particularly mind VC being used for cosmetic changes, as long the pricing is reasonably fair.My issue is its involvement in the competitive aspects of gameplay; hopefully the promises of Ranked courts is delivered on, which would settle things.

[ksuttonjr76]

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This argument has gotten so stupid. At the end of the day, I don't give a damn about VC or microtransactions. The only thing I care about, speaking as the consumer who decides NOT to buy VC, is that the game is not designed in a manner where they compromise my ENJOYMENT of the game in the hopes that I eventually fold and buy VC.

[ODogg]

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To reference Jim Sterling: So it's okay for you that casinos would tell their fans to contact the government and tell them that they want children to be albe to gamble?

A different standard in our society is applied to adults versus children, as it should be so that quote is really pretty silly.

[ODogg]

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This argument has gotten so stupid. At the end of the day, I don't give a damn about VC or microtransactions. The only thing I care about, speaking as the consumer who decides NOT to buy VC, is that the game is not designed in a manner where they compromise my ENJOYMENT of the game in the hopes that I eventually fold and buy VC.

This is what I said earlier, it should not be the debate about VC but the standard rates at which it applies. Again, if it takes you 8 hours of game play to earn a haircut in a game but you can just go buy it and that is how the game is designed then that is a legitimate debate.

This is why we saw backlash last year. Most consumers are just fine with VC so long as it's not unevenly applied versus how things are earned in game.

When it's not the market corrects, as it did last year when 2K made adjustments due to customer complaints. The market always corrects itself in the end and will only ever support what consumers agree with.