If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

[Trackball]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

Remember this thread, folks.

We now have our Lebronze James "do we still have to press start to go to the menu" moment.

That was almost a decade ago. This is the sequel.

Keep the OP in mind. If defense is ever nerfed, we'll know exactly who to blame.

Thankfully, Da_Czar is on our side.

[Bandeazyy]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

I always said this in 2k17. Sometimes the best D against a great lockdown is simply not shooting. When i was against one in 2k17 i would adapt and change my game into an opportunity scorer instead of my usual dominate scorer style. May only come out with like 12-15 points but you won’t be feeding your defender easy stats that lead to your team getting screwed whenever you touch it


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Some people feel like they got a point to prove when they match up against a lockdown of any kind lol. I can't count how many times some clueless pg would rather isolate me and do every dribble move just to try to break my ankles when all they had to do was pass.

[GK_11]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

Are folks expecting to just run by defenders? Defense is good where it is.

I think the root of it is there are alot of people that have never really played basketball before complaining about the game becoming more rooted in reality - like when Madden made it more difficult to throw 80 yard bombs off your backfoot.



I forget what thread it was but I saw one where a guy literally said


"This is BS! I shouldn't need moves to beat someone if I have a speed advantage."





Creating space isn't about running in a straight line, it's about moving a defender out of position. James Harden is not an explosive athlete, but he is world-class (literally, like soccer striker level) at decelerating, and he uses change of pace and ability to stop on a dime (and threat of stopping on a dime) to get opponents out of position and get great looks on a regular basis.


Try to just sprint in a direction past your defender next time you're playing pickup - you're just going to collide with him and lose the ball, no matter how much faster you are than him.


Side note: I just realized charge card could have real value in gameplay now - when guys get frustrated and just hold R2 and hope for a blowby, you might be able to slide over and take the contact on the chest.

[ballstreet2k]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

I'll tell you one thing.

Well, two, first one being that the Prelude MyCareer gameplay means nothing, and we all should know that by now.

The other one is: in a couple of weeks tops, MyPlayers in ProAm are going to be 90+, with every gold badge or close to HoF where it applies - if they're slow -, and enough dribble moves will have been discovered. Skill and energy boosts are always available.

You'll need as much lateral quickness as possible to stay in front of a good ball handler.

You'll need the defensive stopper badge to counter their badges.

You'll also need bruiser to tire them fast enough to bring their ball handling rating under 86 and screw up their moves.

You'll need the defensive takeover against their takeover.

You'll need a defensive archetype.

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Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

They don't need to nerf anything at all.

Defense is fun again and challenging on the other side of the ball.

2K doesn't need to listen to players like this... its that kind of thinking that got the game in a stinkhole from the jump.

People complain too much, especially about things they just need to learn. Earn it, figure it out, do some strategy and like Kobe said figure it out.

[tru11]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

It's easier for you guys to label me a bad player. It's easy for you to assume i don't know what I'm talking about.

I do NOT want to turn 19 into 18. But I'm telling you guys right now that the online community will drift away from defensive builds if everyone can play defense.

If you're a pure sharp with no defense in your build then you shouldnt win most of your battles on defense. Period. And i don't see that happening in 19 as of right now..

Yes, it's the demo. But I'm not a novice 2k player either.

anyone that gets lock down by a pure sharp should evaluate if this is the game they should be playing.

[SteveQ]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

I really like the defense in the prelude. We should wait until the game is out for a couple of weeks though before we start saying anything needs to be nerfed. I highly doubt pure sharps are locking up any decent players.

[Mani Gultinder]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

How can you than tell everyone defense needs to be toned down before you even play a match against someone in Pro-Am.

You played a demo that's probably set to pro and isn't even the day one patched game. This thread is ridiculous to have before the game is even out for anyone to play online.

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Pro? **** wasn’t even rookie. This dude is hysterical making such conclusions.

The prelude always feel so different than the game they release even when you can play in rookie.

[sudanmalkovich]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

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D is pretty ok to me so far.
dunno about pro am or park. I don't play.

[Kstat]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

anyone that gets lock down by a pure sharp should evaluate if this is the game they should be playing.

The issue last year was any pure sharp that knew what they were doing would annihilate anyone, including lockdown defenders.

Yes, pure sharps couldn’t play defense either but nobody that chooses a lockdown defender wants to go into a game knowing they have to out score their opponent.

[tru11]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

The issue last year was any pure sharp that knew what they were doing would annihilate anyone, including lockdown defenders.

Yes, pure sharps couldn’t play defense either but nobody that chooses a lockdown defender wants to go into a game knowing they have to out score their opponent.

anyone that knows what he is doing would annihilate someone who does not know what he is doing regardless of what build.....

if you go into a game as a lockdown defender thinking you have to outscore your opponent you need to put the game away a or just stick to 1 on 1 .
that is not the purpose of that build.

[Kstat]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

anyone that knows what he is doing would annihilate someone who does not know what he is doing regardless of what build.....

if you go into a game as a lockdown defender thinking you have to outscore your opponent you need to put the game away a or just stick to 1 on 1 .
that is not the purpose of that build.

...so you’re saying lockdown defenders aren’t supposed to be volume scorers? Wow, tell me more!

Lockdown defenders were at a massive disadvantage last year. That’s the point. Certain architypes would light you up regardless because of exploits, so the only way to do well was score points yourself. It wasn’t because I didn’t know what I was doing. It was a wasted archytipe last year and everyone knows it.

[REEality]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

The game hasn’t even come out yet and y’all already want the defense nerfed?

Lmao I can’t with this community man...

LMAO thats what i thought

[El_Poopador]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

The CPU definitely smothers in most match ups but I feel Love is the one match up that actually gives Green space in most cases, lol

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I look at this screenshot and I just see bad defense from Cedi on Durant. Denying like that is just asking Durant to cut behind him for an easy dunk, or, if Tristan helps, an easy pass to Cousins for a dunk.

I'm definitely seeing some questionable defense from the off-ball CPU in the Prelude, and it does worry me.

Here I'm controlling Curry, and got beat by Sexton. I switched to Green since Love was behind the play, and cut off Sexton, but Durant for some reason leaves Cedi open in the corner, even though I had already stopped the drive with Green. Cedi knocked down the wide open three, and I am still wondering why Durant left him open.

[El_Poopador]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

Side note: I just realized charge card could have real value in gameplay now - when guys get frustrated and just hold R2 and hope for a blowby, you might be able to slide over and take the contact on the chest.

I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath. Neither game has even been able to get a handle on blocking/charging fouls. They're completely random, and charges are ridiculously rare.