Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Online H2H teams. . .

The only reason i threw that stuff out there, is because i saw multiple posts on here from people that have the game, that said it was no longer a mode.


As far as the mode does go, could anyone else give more information on it? is it the exact format as usual?

No.

Teams are divided into 3 tiers. You have to win a certain number of games within each tier to progress to the next level. When you reach the next level, you unlock a new group of teams.

This YouTuber described it best...

https://youtu.be/xr6AWWgrCIE

[olajuwon34]

Re: Online H2H teams. . .

No.

Teams are divided into 3 tiers. You have to win a certain number of games within each tier to progress to the next level. When you reach the next level, you unlock a new group of teams.

This YouTuber described it best...

https://youtu.be/xr6AWWgrCIE

Wait, thats how All Star Team Up works now? Thats weird. So its exactly like play now online.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

Czar is passing this on apparently - we'll see how far it gets. Seems that they made this impossible to reverse quickly.

So silly

[Kstat]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

Again: 2K tried this 2 years ago. 95% of players picked golden state or Cleveland anyway.

It’s not enough inventive to simply slow ranking progression. 99.99% of PNO players do not give a **** about progression.

Keep the tier system, just don’t force people to play with teams from every tier. If some He wants to use tier 3 forever, let them.

[guesswhozbak17]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

I categorically disagree with this. Yes, there are a handful of people that WANT to use the less talented teams to try and win...but history has proven that more times than not, it’s not successful.

I ONE HUNDRED PERCENT support this decision as I’ve gotten to face so many different variety teams IN ALL OF THE 2K’s I’ve EVER played in ONLY 3 days verses the ENTIRE lifespan of 2K since Dreamcast!

Yes, some people are complaining because there ARE die hard fans that exists that will SCTRICTLY use the Magic, Suns, Bulls, etc...but the MAJORITY of these users RUN to the Warriors, Rockets, etc.

i TOTALLY UNDERSTAND that some people JUST want to use their favorite player/teams...but there are ALSO people who ONLY want to use the BEST teams to bully everyone.

I personally feel this is the FAIREST decision. sucks for some, but coming from someone who used ONE team only in 2K18 (Pelicans) it got boring after the first week of Pelicans vs. Warriors, Pelicans vs. Cavs, Pelicans vs. Rockets... 99.9% of the time...

Yeah, you could just back out/dashboard reset but to only be matched with the same team again, just different user lol.

I REALLY hope 2K sticks to their guns here because i’m LOVING the variety and different teams I’m facing WHILE also having to learn how to use multiple teams.

But as I’ve said in other threads, I understand the complaints, but I don’t think the people complaining are TRULEY understanding the issue and are solely thinking about themselves and how they play the game and not how the masses are playing PNO.

[XxCavaliers360]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

They should just match all Golden State users up with Golden State users or All-Time teams, etc.

idgaf; I'll take the Bulls online against the Dubs. I have faith in my ability.

Edit: And I agree with the guy above me that I don't really mind this, though there have been situations in the past where I've wanted to use specific teams, and it's a pain they've locked historic teams again; RIP me playing with the '07 Rockets.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

I categorically disagree with this. Yes, there are a handful of people that WANT to use the less talented teams to try and win...but history has proven that more times than not, it’s not successful.

I ONE HUNDRED PERCENT support this decision as I’ve gotten to face so many different variety teams IN ALL OF THE 2K’s I’ve EVER played in ONLY 3 days verses the ENTIRE lifespan of 2K since Dreamcast!

Yes, some people are complaining because there ARE die hard fans that exists that will SCTRICTLY use the Magic, Suns, Bulls, etc...but the MAJORITY of these users RUN to the Warriors, Rockets, etc.

i TOTALLY UNDERSTAND that some people JUST want to use their favorite player/teams...but there are ALSO people who ONLY want to use the BEST teams to bully everyone.

I personally feel this is the FAIREST decision. sucks for some, but coming from someone who used ONE team only in 2K18 (Pelicans) it got boring after the first week of Pelicans vs. Warriors, Pelicans vs. Cavs, Pelicans vs. Rockets... 99.9% of the time...

Yeah, you could just back out/dashboard reset but to only be matched with the same team again, just different user lol.

I REALLY hope 2K sticks to their guns here because i’m LOVING the variety and different teams I’m facing WHILE also having to learn how to use multiple teams.

But as I’ve said in other threads, I understand the complaints, but I don’t think the people complaining are TRULEY understanding the issue and are solely thinking about themselves and how they play the game and not how the masses are playing PNO.

Nope horrid decision. I'll be completely avoiding the mode all year now because of this choice. This isn't the solution at all.

The solution is to simply penalize the hell out of people losing with GS and reward those that use lesser teams to win.

Plain and simple

Madden does this

EA UFC does this

Works well for both

I don't care if I play GS every single game at all

Not having a choice to use my Blazers disgusts me and makes me despise the Warriors even more.

[Kushmir]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

I'll have to agree....you dont eliminate user choices, you incentivize. And thats what they've never done properly. If someone wants to use GS every game to reach HOF thats their right....the hand-holding thing never works. All it does is penalize everyone else.

You want people to "urge" people to stop using Golden State? Give each team's wins a value...Warrior wins are worth 1pt. Sacramento's are worth 30. Heavily penalize losses to lower-tier teams to give them value....reward the hell out of users that beat squads from higher tiers.

I urged Tiers to Czar in 2K16 and he passed it on. I told him how bad this was as well. IMO Tiers is fine but you also give users a queue where they can play teams from any tier. Classic teams probably all belong in the same queue--and users shouldn't have to unlock them. If you want users to play a mode stop making them jump through hoops.

A few ways to improve online play:

0) Allow short advertisements a la Twitch and Youtube.
1) Stop the mirror matches.
2) Give users an online roster/rotation and save it on the user side to avoid memory issues.
3) Give the leaderboard value and have it reflect skill.
4) Highlight online leagues, Do online tourneys and broadcast notable online games on twitch. Social media the hell out of highlight plays from online games.

5) And last? Give players VC for online wins (while they lose it for losses) and allow them to wager it before games as well--this will increase the playerbase and urge people to play with different teams and give PNO a value we've never seen before--it'll also make games notable for losing historical amounts of VC in a wager lol. THINK POKER

[guesswhozbak17]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

Nope horrid decision. I'll be completely avoiding the mode all year now because of this choice. This isn't the solution at all.

The solution is to simply penalize the hell out of people losing with GS and reward those that use lesser teams to win.

Plain and simple

Madden does this

EA UFC does this

Works well for both

I don't care if I play GS every single game at all

Not having a choice to use my Blazers disgusts me and makes me despise the Warriors even more.

I'll have to agree....you dont eliminate user choices, you incentivize. And thats what they've never done properly. If someone wants to use GS every game to reach HOF thats their right....the hand-holding thing never works. All it does is penalize everyone else.

You want people to "urge" people to stop using Golden State? Give each team's wins a value...Warrior wins are worth 1pt. Sacramento's are worth 30. Heavily penalize losses to lower-tier teams to give them value....reward the hell out of users that beat squads from higher tiers.

I urged Tiers to Czar in 2K16 and he passed it on. I told him how bad this was as well. IMO Tiers is fine but you also give users a queue where they can play teams from any tier. Classic teams probably all belong in the same queue--and users shouldn't have to unlock them. If you want users to play a mode stop making them jump through hoops.

A few ways to improve online play:

0) Allow short advertisements a la Twitch and Youtube.
1) Stop the mirror matches.
2) Give users an online roster/rotation and save it on the user side to avoid memory issues.
3) Give the leaderboard value and have it reflect skill.
4) Highlight online leagues, Do online tourneys and broadcast notable online games on twitch. Social media the hell out of highlight plays from online games.

5) And last? Give players VC for online wins (and lose it for losses) and allow them to wager it before games as well--this will increase the playerbase and urge people to play with different teams and give PNO a value we've never seen before--it'll also make games notable for losing historical amounts of VC in a wager lol. THINK POKER

I agree to disagree. I get the point that you can't use your preferred team EVERY SINGLE TIME but it's not like you can't use them EVER. You can, you just don't want to use any other team than what you want.

I'm satisfied playing as different teams AND playing against different teams. Each game feels drastically different than the last (which is realistic unless its the playoffs and you're matched against a team for 7 games...

VERSUS

...playing the same team over and over and over and over again. While using the exact same team over and over and over and over again.

Some people are okay with that, I'm not. I'm content. Hopefully in a few weeks you'll have a change of heart.

*Sidenote: Even your favorite team doesn't play the same team over and over and over again in real life.
(Here comes the "it's a video game, not real life" debate lol)

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

I agree to disagree. I get the point that you can't use your preferred team EVERY SINGLE TIME but it's not like you can't use them EVER. You can, you just don't want to use any other team than what you want.

I'm satisfied playing as different teams AND playing against different teams. Each game feels drastically different than the last (which is realistic unless its the playoffs and you're matched against a team for 7 games...

VERSUS

...playing the same team over and over and over and over again. While using the exact same team over and over and over and over again.

Some people are okay with that, I'm not. I'm content. Hopefully in a few weeks you'll have a change of heart.

*Sidenote: Even your favorite team doesn't play the same team over and over and over again in real life.
(Here comes the "it's a video game, not real life" debate lol)

And this accomplishes what exactly?

You'll see the "best" tier 1 team, then tier 2 team, then tier 3 team every single time.

Mirror matches galore

[GSWarriors9]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

As someone who mainly stuck to play now online, this mode is just about ruined for me with this new setup. Wish I hadn’t of spent $100 on this game knowing now about all these restrictions. Really wish 2K would just go back to the old setup, it should be just like play now offline.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

As someone who mainly stuck to play now online, this mode is just about ruined for me with this new setup. Wish I hadn’t of spent $100 on this game knowing now about all these restrictions. Really wish 2K would just go back to the old setup, it should be just like play now offline.

Seriously - absolutley none of this was mentioned prior to purchase.

This is a significant change that is really slimy to not inform on.

[Kstat]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

The thought of the usual bandwagon riders not being able to use the most OP team in the history of the game does amuse me, I admit.

They really should re-tier Golden state into the all-time category. Outside of that I have no complaints.

And no, for the 833628484th time, simply giving less credit for picking the Warriors will not deter one single person from using them. None of them care about their ranking, they just want the most unfair advantage possible.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

The thought of the usual bandwagon riders not being able to use the most OP team in the history of the game does amuse me, I admit.

They really should re-tier Golden state into the all-time category. Outside of that I have no complaints.

Yes I agree I despise the bandwagon in all h2h sports games. It makes me sick (Seattle and San Fransisco in Madden 12-17). But ultimately I don't want to be restricted from using Portland. That's my team and I even used to run with them when we had Andre Miller at PG, heck I'd play with them when key players were hurt too.

So frustrating

[Kstat]

Re: Online H2H: Team Selection Restrictions

Yes I agree I despise the bandwagon in all h2h sports games. It makes me sick (Seattle and San Fransisco in Madden 12-17). But ultimately I don't want to be restricted from using Portland. That's my team and I even used to run with them when we had Andre Miller at PG, heck I'd play with them when key players were hurt too.

So frustrating

If it makes you feel any better, the 91 Blazers are a really nice tier 3 team. Very underrated.

I do agree they shouldn’t force you into a tier you don’t want to play in. That part makes no sense.

I didn’t play one single game against the 18 warriors last season. Not one. Absolutely loved that I could completely filter them out, even if the tier system was still broken.