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  • loso_34
    MVP
    • Jul 2010
    • 1352

    #31
    Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

    Originally posted by nyccc
    OP I think your missing this throughout your thread.

    The way pure sharpshooters are getting open is ridiculous. Add that to the broken shot contest they are virtually ungaurdable. What's even worse is that most pure sharps run with a GLASS CLEANER.

    Unrealistic Pure Sharp Strats.

    1. Running back and forth behind players off-ball to shoot. ALL GAME this is seen in comp games. Add that defenders have to play even higher because GOOD PURE SHARPS can hit from HALFCOURT. The speed of the cross court pass from corner to the other is ridiculous(I believe for balance only playmakers should be able to make this pass to a another player in rhythm)

    2. INBOUND. Sharps zig zagging off-ball behind an inbounder is ****ing toxic.

    3. ZIG ZAGGING WITH THE BALL. Since all of the community complained "steals are too easy" Look what you have done. Sharps can now handle the ball by pressing L2/LT and be a primary ball handler. Add the badges and sharps are BETTER THAN STEPH CURRY. It's a shame, sharps were getting plucked left and right when getting pressed and this made them into off-ball players. Since the nerf to on-ball steals, it benefitted them. (I wonder what builds were complaining about steals? You guessed right)

    4.SHOOTING CONTESTED SHOTS BECAUSE GLASS CLEANER WILL CLEAN UP FOR A KICK OUT.

    5. Lamarcus Aldridge base. 2k needs to update their sig animations. They've been the same since 2k14. The same shots are OP every year. LA can't even jump anymore yet here his jumpshot he shoots like he has the vert of MJ.

    Trust me I wouldn't be mad but I see shot creators missing mid ranges, slashers missing dunks/layups. Then the next play Sharps are hitting drifting shots, a shot creator shot. It is unreal.

    I played park last night for the first time in a while and I barely get games (PRO 2 since October) and it was just toxic. All the strats to the teams we lost to had a pure sharp.

    2k really swindled the community. They had a near perfect game on launch. Yet the outcry from community who didn't take the TIME to learn the game after it being out for 1 MONTH, influenced the devs to adjust their game to their favors. Everyone made a skinny player with short arms couldn't contest or play D in the beginning.

    The same people who cried about the difficulty of the game are the people who:

    1. Can't get over the easiness of 2k17/2k18.
    2. People who scout players on phone then hop off spot or refuse to play competition.
    3. Have names such as "SNAG GOD" "ICLAMP" "SELLOUTXX"
    4. Call you trash for not having a Pure Sharp, Glass, or Sharp Playmaker Build.

    If you don't have a clue of what I mentioned in about 75% of my post, then your opinion on ONLINE GAMEPLAY/PARK/REC doesn't matter to me because youre not in the loop.

    EDIT: I'd like to add some solutions to balance Sharps.

    Add a timer to them. Meaning, Sharps are less effective the longer they HOLD THE BALL. Meaning the second they catch they can still have their high success rate. But once after a 1 or 2 seconds that ability drops.

    This takes away zig-zagging/left-right cheese.

    Another is to make stamina be drained more when running around the whole court off ball ALL GAME. Any of you guys that play ball IRL, shooting is mostly with your feet/legs. If your legs are tired, your shot won't drop.

    Perfect Example of stamina affecting a shot- Trevor Ariza in the closeout game last year. He played 40+ minutes and was expending all of his energy on defense that he looked exhausting shooting late in that game.

    Ray Allen was a prolific shooter because of his stamina and the ability to stay in shape throughout his career. This kept his form consistent. Rip Hamilton is another example of a great off-ball shooter.
    the last point is a good suggestion. Even ray allen got tired tho especially if you made him work on defense..lot of his shots would hit front rim in the later stages of a game cause he had so much lift on his shot.

    i cant even strip sharps this year at least in 2k18 if they put the ball on the ground there was a high chance i could force them to pick up their dribble or strip it. right now if i press square its a foul.

    man they can even trigger contact dunks if they get some momentum going lol.

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    • Goffs
      New Ork Giants
      • Feb 2003
      • 12279

      #32
      Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

      Came here if OP would pull that this is a video game card when real percentages are presented and I'm not disappointed.



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      • Dedicated2389
        Rookie
        • Oct 2011
        • 45

        #33
        Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

        Originally posted by Goffs
        Came here if OP would pull that this is a video game card when real percentages are presented and I'm not disappointed.



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        Bro idk why your comparing NBA percentages to casual park gameplay? Or even the “recreational” center. 2k should remove the archetype system or they have to keep it the same with maybe minor tweaks across the board. But I think if sharpshooters are OP then all pure builds are op like someone else mentioned earlier. But you guys made some cool points but the NBA is a three point game. Gregg Popovich wants shooters nerfed in real life too lol

        "I don't like the three-point shot. (...) It's not real basketball anymore.” -Gregg Popovich 2018

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        • El_Poopador
          MVP
          • Oct 2013
          • 2624

          #34
          Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

          Originally posted by Dedicated2389
          Bro idk why your comparing NBA percentages to casual park gameplay? Or even the “recreational” center. 2k should remove the archetype system or they have to keep it the same with maybe minor tweaks across the board. But I think if sharpshooters are OP then all pure builds are op like someone else mentioned earlier. But you guys made some cool points but the NBA is a three point game. Gregg Popovich wants shooters nerfed in real life too lol



          "I don't like the three-point shot. (...) It's not real basketball anymore.” -Gregg Popovich 2018

          Ok, let’s not compare it to NBA percentages. Let’s compare it to real life park percentages with random people playing. That would make the percentages even lower, because they’re not professional players.

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          • TannerYoho
            Rookie
            • Mar 2015
            • 136

            #35
            Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

            Pointless arguing with this guy. He isn't going to see it any other way.


            If you nerf the shooting, sharps will still be the best shooters. The percentage they make them needs to come down. It's totally game breaking; anyone who has played and has a brain knows that.


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            • Dedicated2389
              Rookie
              • Oct 2011
              • 45

              #36
              Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

              Originally posted by TannerYoho
              Pointless arguing with this guy. He isn't going to see it any other way.


              If you nerf the shooting, sharps will still be the best shooters. The percentage they make them needs to come down. It's totally game breaking; anyone who has played and has a brain knows that.


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              Yea just stop arguing with me, people keep saying nerf shooting but thats a dumb suggestion at the end of the day. Maybe buff other builds , or make defensive imrpovements but if players are missing open shots just to “fix percentages” its still a broken game.

              They should just remove archetypes and let us bring back the do it all Demi-Gods. Or come up with a new system for us to create players how we want so then when u go the park everyone in the neighborhood will have some 3pt shooting in there build.

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              • El_Poopador
                MVP
                • Oct 2013
                • 2624

                #37
                Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

                Originally posted by Dedicated2389
                Yea just stop arguing with me, people keep saying nerf shooting but thats a dumb suggestion at the end of the day. Maybe buff other builds , or make defensive imrpovements but if players are missing open shots just to “fix percentages” its still a broken game.

                They should just remove archetypes and let us bring back the do it all Demi-Gods. Or come up with a new system for us to create players how we want so then when u go the park everyone in the neighborhood will have some 3pt shooting in there build.
                You seriously need to stop. Players in the NBA miss wide open shots all the time. Players who make millions of dollars to make shots miss when they are wide open.

                No team is even shooting over 45% from three when wide open. And less than 1/4 are shooting over 40%.

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                Unless you can provide some verifiable evidence that what we are seeing in NBA 2K19 is realistic when compared to any real life counterpart, you have no argument.
                Last edited by El_Poopador; 11-30-2018, 12:39 PM.

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                • Fullspeed
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2014
                  • 69

                  #38
                  Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

                  The problem is that a green release give you 100% chance of making your shot which should never be the case. It should definitely give you a boost if you timed it correctly but it shouldn't be 100%. No other scoring builds can score 100+ points in a 5min quarter pro-am game. At this point, lowering 3pt % wouldn't solve anything because of green releases. I think they should buff inside builds to even the playing field.

                  In my opinion, they should get rid of the green release for 2k20 because it is an arcadey mechanic and have no place in a simulation basketball game. The "skill gap" shouldn't be your shot release but taking smart shots and fadeaway 3s.

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                  • TannerYoho
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 136

                    #39
                    Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

                    What do you mean BUFF OTHER ARCHETYPES?? SLASHERS ARE ALREADY SMACKING CORNER THREES WITH EASE. No player in history is hitting shots at these numbers people are hitting them.

                    If that's the game you want that's fine. Give us different slider based parks then, where those of us to want real basketball can go play and not have contested threes drained in our eyes all game long. It's never ending man. Play good defense for 23 seconds and a sharp gets me sucked into a screen finally, And smacks a three a few steps behind the 3 point line. Thats not basketball. My pure playmaker teammate rarely misses threes, and that shouldn't happen either.

                    I don't see how you can see dudes dropping 100 points, and draining +70% 3s and think "shooting is fine!". That's absurd man. I just cannot relate to that On any level. And this is coming from a guy that doesn't even care about winning (my record will reflect that) I care about good basketball. I almost wanr to think your being different for the sake of argument.

                    Give us sim neighborhoods if there isn't any interest in replicating the game in the normal one.


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                    Last edited by TannerYoho; 11-30-2018, 02:55 PM.

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                    • TannerYoho
                      Rookie
                      • Mar 2015
                      • 136

                      #40
                      Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

                      Originally posted by Fullspeed
                      The problem is that a green release give you 100% chance of making your shot which should never be the case. It should definitely give you a boost if you timed it correctly but it shouldn't be 100%. No other scoring builds can score 100+ points in a 5min quarter pro-am game. At this point, lowering 3pt % wouldn't solve anything because of green releases. I think they should buff inside builds to even the playing field.



                      In my opinion, they should get rid of the green release for 2k20 because it is an arcadey mechanic and have no place in a simulation basketball game. The "skill gap" shouldn't be your shot release but taking smart shots and fadeaway 3s.


                      Green releases being 100% are the WORST thing 2k ever did. I think they know that, but are afraid to go back.


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                      • shayellis
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 371

                        #41
                        Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

                        Originally posted by Dedicated2389
                        Yea just stop arguing with me, people keep saying nerf shooting but thats a dumb suggestion at the end of the day. Maybe buff other builds , or make defensive imrpovements but if players are missing open shots just to “fix percentages” its still a broken game.

                        They should just remove archetypes and let us bring back the do it all Demi-Gods. Or come up with a new system for us to create players how we want so then when u go the park everyone in the neighborhood will have some 3pt shooting in there build.
                        You said "if players are missing open shots just to “fix percentages” its still a broken game"
                        but on the other end making shots just because you "skill timed your shot" is not basketball or balanced.
                        People have to understand both of these are extremes. 2k should go back to what It use to be, which is playing well over the course of a single game will generally give you favorable percentages, instead of the polarized ideas that Open+Timing = Skill and a guaranteed make
                        or
                        Contested or bad timing= Guaranteed miss.

                        I understand you want "open timing skill" to be a big factor in winning instead of a gameplay stat simulation, but right now this gameplay is not conducive to skill anyways. IRL players are skilled and they miss open shots all the time and make contested shots all the time. The best way to mimic that skill gap is for 2k to follow in the footsteps of NBA gamplay.
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                        • splashmountain
                          Pro
                          • Aug 2016
                          • 809

                          #42
                          Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

                          Originally posted by shayellis
                          You said "if players are missing open shots just to “fix percentages” its still a broken game"
                          but on the other end making shots just because you "skill timed your shot" is not basketball or balanced.
                          People have to understand both of these are extremes. 2k should go back to what It use to be, which is playing well over the course of a single game will generally give you favorable percentages, instead of the polarized ideas that Open+Timing = Skill and a guaranteed make
                          or
                          Contested or bad timing= Guaranteed miss.

                          I understand you want "open timing skill" to be a big factor in winning instead of a gameplay stat simulation, but right now this gameplay is not conducive to skill anyways. IRL players are skilled and they miss open shots all the time and make contested shots all the time. The best way to mimic that skill gap is for 2k to follow in the footsteps of NBA gamplay.
                          Nope. can't agree with you here. doing it this way will once again mean you're nerfing some of people's shots when they are wide open and are releasing it on time like they're supposed to. dont just make me brick.

                          Do you guys know why people like klay, curry, durant, or even ray allen would miss open 3's from time to time? because they are not releasing it at the perfect time, their form is not perfect or even close to perfect. the trajectory on the ball isnt pushed out properly to make said shot, and their balance is probably slightly off.

                          the idea that you can shoot a perfect shot in real life and stil miss is not true unless you're playing outside among the elements of wind and weather conditions. the reason you're missing is because you are not shooting a make able shot at that very moment no matter how good of a shooter you are.

                          This to me means 2k If they cared to be realistic, has to overhaul how you shoot. they have to include more than just a button press and a little aim. they need to include balancing some how, they need to include your arm strength(this can be done with you pressing the sprint button down harder or softer, or having that bar go up and down to release it with the right strength, not just release point of the person jumping in the air. you include those mechanics all of a sudden shooting aint easy. now efficient shooting from deep range is automatically much harder. No more need to nerf anything or Over power anything.

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                          • El_Poopador
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2013
                            • 2624

                            #43
                            Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

                            Originally posted by splashmountain
                            Nope. can't agree with you here. doing it this way will once again mean you're nerfing some of people's shots when they are wide open and are releasing it on time like they're supposed to. dont just make me brick.



                            Do you guys know why people like klay, curry, durant, or even ray allen would miss open 3's from time to time? because they are not releasing it at the perfect time, their form is not perfect or even close to perfect. the trajectory on the ball isnt pushed out properly to make said shot, and their balance is probably slightly off.



                            the idea that you can shoot a perfect shot in real life and stil miss is not true unless you're playing outside among the elements of wind and weather conditions. the reason you're missing is because you are not shooting a make able shot at that very moment no matter how good of a shooter you are.



                            This to me means 2k If they cared to be realistic, has to overhaul how you shoot. they have to include more than just a button press and a little aim. they need to include balancing some how, they need to include your arm strength(this can be done with you pressing the sprint button down harder or softer, or having that bar go up and down to release it with the right strength, not just release point of the person jumping in the air. you include those mechanics all of a sudden shooting aint easy. now efficient shooting from deep range is automatically much harder. No more need to nerf anything or Over power anything.

                            I’ve been saying this since release timing was introduced (long before the green release was even a thing). There is so much more that goes into a shot than the timing of the release, and even that can be changed based on other factors.

                            But those other factors will not be possible to implement as long as the primary means of shooting is a controller. There is just no way to map everything while keeping it intuitive and fun.


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                            • Keith01
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2017
                              • 748

                              #44
                              Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

                              Originally posted by Thrustie
                              I posted this a month or so after release just looking at the Sharps I could find in my neighbourhood.








                              Some of them aren’t even Pures. Finding Pure Sharps that shoot over 60% is easy as hell. Even finding ones that shoot over 70 isn’t that difficult.
                              What are you talking about, .741 3pt% is very realistic and I'm sure 100% of those shots had no defender nearby

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                              • TannerYoho
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2015
                                • 136

                                #45
                                Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

                                Originally posted by splashmountain
                                Nope. can't agree with you here. doing it this way will once again mean you're nerfing some of people's shots when they are wide open and are releasing it on time like they're supposed to. dont just make me brick.



                                Do you guys know why people like klay, curry, durant, or even ray allen would miss open 3's from time to time? because they are not releasing it at the perfect time, their form is not perfect or even close to perfect. the trajectory on the ball isnt pushed out properly to make said shot, and their balance is probably slightly off.



                                the idea that you can shoot a perfect shot in real life and stil miss is not true unless you're playing outside among the elements of wind and weather conditions. the reason you're missing is because you are not shooting a make able shot at that very moment no matter how good of a shooter you are.



                                This to me means 2k If they cared to be realistic, has to overhaul how you shoot. they have to include more than just a button press and a little aim. they need to include balancing some how, they need to include your arm strength(this can be done with you pressing the sprint button down harder or softer, or having that bar go up and down to release it with the right strength, not just release point of the person jumping in the air. you include those mechanics all of a sudden shooting aint easy. now efficient shooting from deep range is automatically much harder. No more need to nerf anything or Over power anything.


                                Do you guys know why people like klay, curry, durant, or even ray allen would miss open 3's from time to time? because they are not releasing it at the perfect time, their form is not perfect or even close to perfect. the trajectory on the ball isnt pushed out properly to make said shot, and their balance is probably slightly off.


                                Sharps are able to shoot off balanced threes with ease though; so they're balance can be totally off and it makes NO difference.

                                And you just furthered everyone's point. Nobody shoots with perfect form 70% of the time. Does that mean 2k needs to make perfect releases HARDER to get? I don't know. I do know that it's incredibly frustrating playing a glass cleaner + sharp combo. It's almost unstoppable.

                                I'm cool with them hitting wide open spot up threes at a high clip. That is what they're designed to do. But the contested steph curry God's gotta go man. 2k doesn't reward good defense. Idk how many "good shot contest" i get per game that are made buckets. Defense and shot selection has to count.


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