Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

[El_Poopador]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

Lol... dude what are you even talking about? Fatigue should play a part in effectiveness and it doesnt come down to just how well you time your shot, its a mixture of timing and good shot selection. In a online PVP if there is no defence why should the shooter be pentalized UNLESS they take a bad shot OR they are fatigue.

No one is saying that shooters should be penalized for taking good shots. We're saying that no one in the history of the sport has ever shot as well as the average player in 2K19, even on uncontested shots. The percentages are too high across the board.

Case in point, Steph Curry, who I think everyone can agree is the best three point shooter in the NBA right now, is shooting 51% from behind the arc when there are no defenders within four feet. That means that on open, uncontested threes, he is only making half of his shots.

And the majority of his threes are uncontested. 108 of his 145 attempts this season are with no defender within 4 feet. 55 of his 71 made attempts were with no defender within 4 feet.

Again, the best shooter in the NBA is shooting a lower percentage on uncontested threes than a lot of players are shooting on overall threes, both contested and uncontested. It's not "penalizing" a player for them to not shoot 100% on open shots. It's just being realistic. And right now, it is ridiculously unrealistic.

[TannerYoho]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

why is your team not switching everything or playing a Zone when you face a sharpshooter who is hitting?

When I play with my crew everyone knows we will give up the 2 before the 3 ball.. Simple switches or a good Zone defence can take a sharp out of the game... If a sharp is going over screens and no one is switching to cover him thats your fault...

2k should address the inbound issue in the park cause thats the only time its hard to gaurd sharps.. other than that guys just need to play better defence period.

It should be common sense to give up the 2 over the 3 thats why I hate playing with randoms who just try to stick to their man all game and not focused on whats actually going on on the court.

It's not always this convenient to find a 3rd player in the park. Randoms don't have mics, and rarely want to play any type of defense in my experience. They take bad bad bad shots and play no defense. It's not always as easy as YOU SHOULD BE SWITCHING.


Do you know how hard it is to get a game because of how many I've lost playing with Randoms? Me and the only 2k friend I have [everyone else quit buying it] spend so much time trying to get a third because our record isn't good. (Mostly due to poor teammates and trying to win in 2s with playmakers) we don't even care when we Lose at this point, because we can't compete with zig zagging and limitless threes all game unless one of us buys vc and makes a sharp.

And when we do actually get the elusive third teammate? We switch everything. But the random doesn't 95% of the time which makes us switching useless as there's always going to be someone open. And with every build able to hit threes consistently, you can't win.


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[Bulletproof86]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

OP I think your missing this throughout your thread.

The way pure sharpshooters are getting open is ridiculous. Add that to the broken shot contest they are virtually ungaurdable. What's even worse is that most pure sharps run with a GLASS CLEANER.

Unrealistic Pure Sharp Strats.

1. Running back and forth behind players off-ball to shoot. ALL GAME this is seen in comp games. Add that defenders have to play even higher because GOOD PURE SHARPS can hit from HALFCOURT. The speed of the cross court pass from corner to the other is ridiculous(I believe for balance only playmakers should be able to make this pass to a another player in rhythm)

2. INBOUND. Sharps zig zagging off-ball behind an inbounder is ****ing toxic.

3. ZIG ZAGGING WITH THE BALL. Since all of the community complained "steals are too easy" Look what you have done. Sharps can now handle the ball by pressing L2/LT and be a primary ball handler. Add the badges and sharps are BETTER THAN STEPH CURRY. It's a shame, sharps were getting plucked left and right when getting pressed and this made them into off-ball players. Since the nerf to on-ball steals, it benefitted them. (I wonder what builds were complaining about steals? You guessed right)

4.SHOOTING CONTESTED SHOTS BECAUSE GLASS CLEANER WILL CLEAN UP FOR A KICK OUT.

5. Lamarcus Aldridge base. 2k needs to update their sig animations. They've been the same since 2k14. The same shots are OP every year. LA can't even jump anymore yet here his jumpshot he shoots like he has the vert of MJ.

Trust me I wouldn't be mad but I see shot creators missing mid ranges, slashers missing dunks/layups. Then the next play Sharps are hitting drifting shots, a shot creator shot. It is unreal.

I played park last night for the first time in a while and I barely get games (PRO 2 since October) and it was just toxic. All the strats to the teams we lost to had a pure sharp.

2k really swindled the community. They had a near perfect game on launch. Yet the outcry from community who didn't take the TIME to learn the game after it being out for 1 MONTH, influenced the devs to adjust their game to their favors. Everyone made a skinny player with short arms couldn't contest or play D in the beginning.

The same people who cried about the difficulty of the game are the people who:

1. Can't get over the easiness of 2k17/2k18.
2. People who scout players on phone then hop off spot or refuse to play competition.
3. Have names such as "SNAG GOD" "ICLAMP" "SELLOUTXX"
4. Call you trash for not having a Pure Sharp, Glass, or Sharp Playmaker Build.

If you don't have a clue of what I mentioned in about 75% of my post, then your opinion on ONLINE GAMEPLAY/PARK/REC doesn't matter to me because youre not in the loop.

EDIT: I'd like to add some solutions to balance Sharps.

Add a timer to them. Meaning, Sharps are less effective the longer they HOLD THE BALL. Meaning the second they catch they can still have their high success rate. But once after a 1 or 2 seconds that ability drops.

This takes away zig-zagging/left-right cheese.

Another is to make stamina be drained more when running around the whole court off ball ALL GAME. Any of you guys that play ball IRL, shooting is mostly with your feet/legs. If your legs are tired, your shot won't drop.

Perfect Example of stamina affecting a shot- Trevor Ariza in the closeout game last year. He played 40+ minutes and was expending all of his energy on defense that he looked exhausting shooting late in that game.

Ray Allen was a prolific shooter because of his stamina and the ability to stay in shape throughout his career. This kept his form consistent. Rip Hamilton is another example of a great off-ball shooter.

10000000000000000% true


people talking so much about fg % i think its impossible to compare it with real life.
if a sharp takes a smart open shot it is ok.
But the fact that sharps have a halo around them not be touched that makes me angry.
Contesting system is defintitly broken and the fact that sharps shoots better beyond the half court line with their limitless range is just ridiculiuos.
limitless badge is just OP!
sharps are OP in this game becuase they have the best tendencies i guess, that 2k not showing us.
I asked so many times for my players tendencies without an answer.

[Nza]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

A lot of people who play this game online seem to be very angry and unstable. Funnily enough they often tend to be the zig zagging pure sharps in my experience.

Perhaps 2K are doing us all a service by submitting to this crowd - I'm not sure a lot of them can take rejection and difficulty. I think we just have to accept NBA 2K has been hijacked.

[Dedicated2389]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

The sort of screening you see in Park and Pro-Am doesn’t resemble real basketball at all though. Teams don’t run screens at the top of the arc for off dribble 3s on repeat because, frankly, it’s not a particularly great shot. In Park and Pro-Am, it’s practically the only play elite teams run. It’s especially silly on teams full of shooters because if the defender hedges on the screen, you’re basically conceding the roll for the open 2.

The fact is, forcing your matchup into taking open off dribble, long range 3s shouldn’t be a terrible strategy but it’s practically suicide with the shooting in this game.

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Only in this game is it better to let a guy walk down Main Street than let a guy take an off dribble 35 foot 3 pointer.

Idk why you posted this video , when the guy is wide open. ANY build with gold limitless, maybe even silver is making that shot. Prime example of poor defence and then people complaning about him making the shot.

We pick up sharps at half court and we know to stay in their face or its a 3 ball.. its simple.

If you dont have a squad to play with and can't play good defence using switches and zones then thats not 2ks fault.

when I play against good squads, they make it very hard to get a good shot off. I know its hard to play with randoms but it takes a team effort to get wins.

But anyways i keep a team of atleast 3.. If someone here has a Pure sharp and on PS4 we can get some games in and ill show you they arent effective as you think when there is good defence. (and my team doesnt play with any rebounding bigs, we just take good shots and use ball movement)

[El_Poopador]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

ANY build with gold limitless, maybe even silver is making that shot.

That's the point. That isn't a good quality shot, regardless of who's taking it. Yet 2K is rewarding it far too often. If you're already hot, you should be able to shoot maybe 50% on an open look like that from that distance. His team only had 7 points 4 minutes into the quarter, so clearly they weren't shooting well at that point.

You shouldn't need to guard every shooter from half court; every shooter isn't Curry, and even Curry isn't knocking down shots like that as often as players in 2K. He made one shot like that last night against Cleveland. And that was a heat check; he already had 11 points and made three threes in the quarter.

[Thrustie]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

Idk why you posted this video , when the guy is wide open. ANY build with gold limitless, maybe even silver is making that shot. Prime example of poor defence and then people complaning about him making the shot.

We pick up sharps at half court and we know to stay in their face or its a 3 ball.. its simple.

If you dont have a squad to play with and can't play good defence using switches and zones then thats not 2ks fault.

when I play against good squads, they make it very hard to get a good shot off. I know its hard to play with randoms but it takes a team effort to get wins.

But anyways i keep a team of atleast 3.. If someone here has a Pure sharp and on PS4 we can get some games in and ill show you they arent effective as you think when there is good defence. (and my team doesnt play with any rebounding bigs, we just take good shots and use ball movement)

Yeah the whole point is that it’s absolutely ridiculous that you should have to body up guys at half court to defend them. Dude listen to yourself! I can’t believe you’re actually justifying that shot. He’s 40 feet from the hoop, my guy! It doesn’t matter that he’s open. That’s what’s wrong with the Sharpshooters. I have to hard hedge on screens when the shooter is 6 feet behind the 3 point line. That’s ridiculous. No other build requires that kind of coordination and attention to defend. How can you possibly argue that that’s balanced?

I’ve said it multiple times but defending a sharp one on one isn’t hard. But once you throw screens and wraps and traffic into the mix, it’s really not hard for a shooter to get some free air for a few heartbeats.

Your argument seems to be that great defense, communication and coordination can neutralize a Sharp. But why should all of that be required for a bum zig zagging behind a screen for 15 seconds 30 feet from the basket?

[Dedicated2389]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

That's the point. That isn't a good quality shot, regardless of who's taking it. Yet 2K is rewarding it far too often. If you're already hot, you should be able to shoot maybe 50% on an open look like that from that distance. His team only had 7 points 4 minutes into the quarter, so clearly they weren't shooting well at that point.

You shouldn't need to guard every shooter from half court; every shooter isn't Curry, and even Curry isn't knocking down shots like that as often as players in 2K. He made one shot like that last night against Cleveland. And that was a heat check; he already had 11 points and made three threes in the quarter.

Bro nobody is playing as Curry in the rec or park.. Everyone wants to use curry as in example.. This is a video game, do you really think the only thing thats not realistic is shooting? If we are going by a NBA game that just played last night then half of the badges need to be removed from game for it to be as "realistic" as you want it to be.

[Thrustie]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

That's the point. That isn't a good quality shot, regardless of who's taking it. Yet 2K is rewarding it far too often. If you're already hot, you should be able to shoot maybe 50% on an open look like that from that distance. His team only had 7 points 4 minutes into the quarter, so clearly they weren't shooting well at that point.

You shouldn't need to guard every shooter from half court; every shooter isn't Curry, and even Curry isn't knocking down shots like that as often as players in 2K. He made one shot like that last night against Cleveland. And that was a heat check; he already had 11 points and made three threes in the quarter.

Same guy later.

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The response will probably be “Well yeah, he’s in takeover! You gotta be in his jersey!”

[Jros22]

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Yeah the whole point is that it’s absolutely ridiculous that you should have to body up guys at half court to defend them. Dude listen to yourself! I can’t believe you’re actually justifying that shot. He’s 40 feet from the hoop, my guy! It doesn’t matter that he’s open. That’s what’s wrong with the Sharpshooters. I have to hard hedge on screens when the shooter is 6 feet behind the 3 point line. That’s ridiculous. No other build requires that kind of coordination and attention to defend. How can you possibly argue that that’s balanced?

I’ve said it multiple times but defending a sharp one on one isn’t hard. But once you throw screens and wraps and traffic into the mix, it’s really not hard for a shooter to get some free air for a few heartbeats.

Your argument seems to be that great defense, communication and coordination can neutralize a Sharp. But why should all of that be required for a bum zig zagging behind a screen for 15 seconds 30 feet from the basket?

I have a sharpshooter like i mentioned before and i definitely agree that they are OP on long 3's they shouldn't be shooting from almost half court at the same rate as near the line no matter if they are open.

[El_Poopador]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

Bro nobody is playing as Curry in the rec or park.. Everyone wants to use curry as in example.. This is a video game, do you really think the only thing thats not realistic is shooting? If we are going by a NBA game that just played last night then half of the badges need to be removed from game for it to be as "realistic" as you want it to be.

I use Curry as an example because he is literally the only player in the NBA who takes shots like that even somewhat regularly, and even he only does it once, maybe twice per game as a heat check. It's not just part of the normal offense.

Yes, other things in the game are not realistic, but this is one that is game-breaking. I used last night's game as an example. You literally have no statistical information to back up what you're saying. I've provided multiple examples, including the shooting numbers of the best current shooter in the NBA to show how ridiculous your argument is.

[Dedicated2389]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

Yeah the whole point is that it’s absolutely ridiculous that you should have to body up guys at half court to defend them. Dude listen to yourself! I can’t believe you’re actually justifying that shot. He’s 40 feet from the hoop, my guy! It doesn’t matter that he’s open. That’s what’s wrong with the Sharpshooters. I have to hard hedge on screens when the shooter is 6 feet behind the 3 point line. That’s ridiculous. No other build requires that kind of coordination and attention to defend. How can you possibly argue that that’s balanced?

I’ve said it multiple times but defending a sharp one on one isn’t hard. But once you throw screens and wraps and traffic into the mix, it’s really not hard for a shooter to get some free air for a few heartbeats.

Your argument seems to be that great defense, communication and coordination can neutralize a Sharp. But why should all of that be required for a bum zig zagging behind a screen for 15 seconds 30 feet from the basket?

You just want things to be to easy, why wouldnt you want "great defence, communication and coordination" in a team basketball game? isnt that what the community should want.

If sharps are reduced to "set shooters" who need to be right behind the line + open to make shots wouldnt that be the EASIEST build to gaurd??? It would be the worst build on the game next to slashers.

How can sharpshooters be as effective as other builds if their shot making is limited to standing directly behind the 3 point line and the need to be open, on top of the fact they are extremly slow and unreliable going to the paint in ANY mode?

[Kriech23]

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Same guy later.

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The response will probably be “Well yeah, he’s in takeover! You gotta be in his jersey!”

Bro, you just want the easy way out.

[Dedicated2389]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

I use Curry as an example because he is literally the only player in the NBA who takes shots like that even somewhat regularly, and even he only does it once, maybe twice per game as a heat check. It's not just part of the normal offense.

Yes, other things in the game are not realistic, but this is one that is game-breaking. I used last night's game as an example. You literally have no statistical information to back up what you're saying. I've provided multiple examples, including the shooting numbers of the best current shooter in the NBA to show how ridiculous your argument is.

Ok while your at it, can you name a NBA player who is getting 6 or 7 steals a game like pure lockdowns. Also a player who is hitting 20 ppg on 70% doing mid range fades only. Um and also a player who 7'3 getting 20+ rebounds per game. Also add a NBA player 7'0 + PURE POST SCORER type guy making 70% of his post fades..Should I even continue?? (cause i can)

Its a video game its alot of things that not "realistic," its PVP competitive online game.. You come up with strategies to beat the other team.. Same with Rainbow siege, call of duty, hell even madden (even tho i hate madden), the fifa series.. You can point to unrealistic things in every game that I know of.

stop talking bout Curry on my post.

[El_Poopador]

Re: Pure sharpshooters are OP??? Post your Sharps 3pt%, PPG and Win% plz (rec/park)

You just want things to be to easy, why wouldnt you want "great defence, communication and coordination" in a team basketball game? isnt that what the community should want.

If sharps are reduced to "set shooters" who need to be right behind the line + open to make shots wouldnt that be the EASIEST build to gaurd??? It would be the worst build on the game next to slashers.

How can sharpshooters be as effective as other builds if their shot making is limited to standing directly behind the 3 point line and the need to be open, on top of the fact they are extremly slow and unreliable going to the paint in ANY mode?

Who said sharps should be reduced to set shooters? In my mind, a sharpshooter is a guy like Kyle Korver. He excels coming off screens and knocking down catch and shoot shots at a high percentage. He can also use screens to take a dribble or two to get an open look. But there are tons of off-ball screens and a lot of shot clock used to get him open, and when he shoots, he's just outside the arc. That's realistic.

What he doesn't do is take a single screen, run 5 feet past the arc, and make shots from there. He doesn't handle the ball, run back and forth around screens until the defender gets stuck, and take a leaning shot from 28 feet out. No one does that.

No one is arguing that sharpshooters should be average three point shooters. Again, 3P% is too high across the board. The best shooters in the NBA are under 50% from deep.