The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

[nokehawk]

Re: The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

7'0 cap would be kinda extreme. 7'0 - 7'2 centers have been pretty common in the real NBA throughout history.

Recent or current NBA players

Tacko Fall - 7'7
Boban Marjanovic – 7’3”
Kristaps Porzingis – 7’3”
Bol Bol - 7'2"
Salah Mejri – 7’2”
Alexis Ajinca - 7'2"
Roy Hibbert - 7'2"
Timofey Mozgov – 7’1”
Zhou Qi – 7’1”
Ivica Zubac – 7’1”
Marc Gasol – 7’1”
Thon Maker – 7’1”
Tyson Chandler – 7’1”
Alex Len – 7’1”
Dragan Bender – 7’1”
Georgios Papagiannis – 7’1”
Rudy Gobert – 7’1”

Agreed. But how many of them are 290 lbs? I believe there's only 1, and Boban is no All-Star. Even Marc Gasol, a stout big man, only weighs 255. Steven Adams is a monster, but at 7 ft 264, if you make him in 2k you might as well be on roller skates the way you get moved around.

If you build a C or PF that's anywhere near realistic, they get crushed by the giants who don't suffer any clear disadvantages to offset their ht/wt advantage. I really want to make a Clint Capela type, but at 6' 10" 240lbs, he'll be a defensive player that can't defend his position.

[infemous]

Re: The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

straight facts.

Mike Wang, if you're reading this, PLEASE, do something to adjust Centre lateral quickness and speed in Rec.

If Park needs to be unrealistic because of the nature of the mode, please don't let it affect the 5 v 5 modes.

I am sick and tired of getting past a Centre only to have him magically recover and make a crazy block when no player in the world has that sort of athleticism, let alone a 7'3 behemoth with 20 speed.

Edit: also I’m noticing why I’m getting blocked- because I’m taller. Even though my player is longer than smaller players, the animations it triggers are all very easy to block while the smaller guys have these quick flip layups that get the layups up and past defenders.

Gonna start labbing with smaller layup packages because the logic is way off.

If I’m 6’7 the closer I get to the rim the easier the finish should be. These phantom contests are winding me up - I’m clearly wide open/ have a clear lane on 80% of my misses/blocked shots

[YungGun]

Re: The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

Speed in this game is broken altogether in the online modes. My PG has a 90 speed and guys with speeds in the mid to high 70s are able to keep up with him in transition. Even with the downhill badge on hall of fame.

[infemous]

Re: The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

Speed in this game is broken altogether in the online modes. My PG has a 90 speed and guys with speeds in the mid to high 70s are able to keep up with him in transition. Even with the downhill badge on hall of fame.

Yep can confirm this too.

I think the min/max scales are completely out of whack rn.

My 6’7 SF has 85 speed now and cannot outpace centres on the fast break.

[splashmountain]

Re: The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

There seems to be a consensus that the speed of max weight 7'3 centers is entirely too fast.

But has anyone ever confirmed this? I know people like kushmir and Nba2k labs do extensive testing of the game mechanics and I wonder if they would be willing to prove this notion(i will happily discuss payment options)

IMO they are slow moving laterally for the most part, but on fast-breaks I've seen them keep pace with guards and shorter centers no problem, maybe not neck to neck but enough to where the can catch the rebound/chasedown and be back on the other side of the court no problem. I don't play park often but the same issue remains. Height in 2k offers many benefits with the supposed downside being speed. but there seems to be something in the code that enables a min/max speed when holding R2(perhaps the acceleration stat is broken?)

As it stands i believe 7'3 center needs a massive stamina nerf so they will have to be conscious of their sprinting, Every myplayer can obtain 90+ stamina and that's a problem if its coded the same for every archetype/height. As of now you can literally sprint the entire game as a center with a gatorade boost and rarely tire out. Shaq in his prime played 39 minutes, That's still almost a quarter of sitting out/being less effective.

The stamina buff recently exacerbated this issue. and as a result we have 7'3 centers dominating every other center build which leads to a stale meta of 2 rebounders, picks, and 3 point shots/putbacks. I'm not decrying the height advantage, taller centers should get more rebounds but there has to be some type of drawback or incentive for people to actually create shorter characters. The league has many legends who excelled despite being smaller in stature because they outsmarted/outskilled opponents. 2k in its current state doesn't really permit that.

discuss

i made this very same stamina thread a day ago. the game out the box for bigs and stamina was PERFECT. they never should've changed the stamina. they did so for the small guys crying about being tired to quickly because they spam speed boosting moves and spam x on defense all game long. you should be huffing and puffing. learn how to play actual basketball. if you want nba jam speeds go play nba jams. i'm tired of 2k bending to that style of play. its turning into an arcade frenzy no matter if you're in the park, in the rec, in the pro am or even playing my team. same style of play.

[loso_34]

Re: The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

i made this very same stamina thread a day ago. the game out the box for bigs and stamina was PERFECT. they never should've changed the stamina. they did so for the small guys crying about being tired to quickly because they spam speed boosting moves and spam x on defense all game long. you should be huffing and puffing. learn how to play actual basketball. if you want nba jam speeds go play nba jams. i'm tired of 2k bending to that style of play. its turning into an arcade frenzy no matter if you're in the park, in the rec, in the pro am or even playing my team. same style of play.

Yessir guards are speed boosting again due to stamina having no effect and are asking for ankle breaker buffs smh. Space creator/tight handles did stun ball handlers wish they’d keep ankle breaker for park

[infemous]

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Got some clips I can share of insane Centre recovery speed (just need PS Share to work)

1 is in mycareer on pro difficulty lol (badge grind)

Marc Gasol gets crossed on 3 point line to the left - i have the wide open lane with my 80 speed (at the time) 6'7 2 way finishing SF, and he gets the chasedown block

and I have 2 blocks from a PNO game I just played

Cousins blocks Levert on fast break after Caris catches on the 3 point line (left) in stride. Cousins is on the logo

Jarrett Allen catches Kuzma on fast break from half court, then rides his hip from 3 point line for the block


**** is sooooooooo broken.

[ggurface]

Re: The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

The underlying problem is that 7’3 beasts in 2K do not suffer any of the main drawbacks that 7’3 guys would have in real life.

Namely:

1. staying healthy and avoiding injuries.
2. Stamina and ability to play the whole game.
3. Fluidity of movements, nimbleless, and generally being awkward as ****
4. Reduced athletic traits such as vert, speed, etc. this ties in to #3

In 2k, these are non issues. So unless 2k does some unrealistic nerfs to tall centers, I don’t see the solution here.

[infemous]

Re: The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

The underlying problem is that 7’3 beasts in 2K do not suffer any of the main drawbacks that 7’3 guys would have in real life.

Namely:

1. staying healthy and avoiding injuries.
2. Stamina and ability to play the whole game.
3. Fluidity of movements, nimbleless, and generally being awkward as ****
4. Reduced athletic traits such as vert, speed, etc. this ties in to #3

In 2k, these are non issues. So unless 2k does some unrealistic nerfs to tall centers, I don’t see the solution here.

according to people who got the game early - this nerf existed until a day 1 gameplay update by Mike Wang

Da Czar even said it was an L for Sim Nation

[jyoung]

Re: The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

The speed differential seemed pretty good when the game first released, but a few days in, a patch came out and made it to where everybody moves at virtually the same speed.

I can't stand how the speed differential is tuned right now. It just makes tall players and unathletic archetypes even more overpowered since their statistical weakness (low athleticism ratings) is being covered up by a badly tuned speed difference slider.

I made a 6'2" slasher with 95 speed based on how the game played on day 1 and now he runs just as fast as 6'10" stretch bigs in the open court.

Also 7'1" should be the maximum allowed height for created centers. Porzingis is the only current NBA player over 7'1" who gets significant minutes, and even he is struggling to stay on the court due to injuries.

[olajuwon34]

Re: The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

Aint no way Marc Gasol only weighs 255lbs

[ggurface]

Re: The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

according to people who got the game early - this nerf existed until a day 1 gameplay update by Mike Wang

Da Czar even said it was an L for Sim Nation

True. I played in the first few days with my 7”3 290 guy and definitely noticed a difference between him And guards.

Now I am chase down blocking those guys full court LMAO

[infemous]

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True. I played in the first few days with my 7”3 290 guy and definitely noticed a difference between him And guards.

Now I am chase down blocking those guys full court LMAO

Mike Wang gotta hold this L for that.

Love the work he has done, but that change was so shortsighted, and has completely undone all of the great work he's done elsewhere.

I was wondering why I am never open even with an open lane now I'm 90 OVR (85 speed), when I was beasting on opening weekend with my 70 OVR dude lol

[Thrustie]

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Yeah I made my 7’3 dude and even with a lower block rating and only bronze rim protector, I managed 7 blocks in 18 minutes (I’m still a bench player). I never managed that with my 6’10 Center in a full game despite having 20 higher rated block and Gold Rim Protector. Even having 30 less speed, acceleration and vert I have no problem switching and closing out on shooters inside the arc. I went end to end on a break after stealing it from Patty Mills in the same game.

[TheFinalEvent97]

Re: The 7'3 speed dilemma(stamina is broken)

The speed differential seemed pretty good when the game first released, but a few days in, a patch came out and made it to where everybody moves at virtually the same speed.

I can't stand how the speed differential is tuned right now. It just makes tall players and unathletic archetypes even more overpowered since their statistical weakness (low athleticism ratings) is being covered up by a badly tuned speed difference slider.

I made a 6'2" slasher with 95 speed based on how the game played on day 1 and now he runs just as fast as 6'10" stretch bigs in the open court.

Also 7'1" should be the maximum allowed height for created centers. Porzingis is the only current NBA player over 7'1" who gets significant minutes, and even he is struggling to stay on the court due to injuries.

I believe the max player speed was dropped, in career my player with 99 speed+ 99 acceleration+95 speed with ball feels much slower after the latest tune.