2K20 Trade Thread

[Dbaja22]

Re: 2K20 Trade Thread

Great reasoning! I'm not that sure about the fit with the Magic though. I think, Beal would be a great second option on a contender that needs scoring. Similar to Middleton in Milwaukee, though Beal is a better scorer imo. But 2k works differently, so Beal in Orlando could be a good fit in game. And if you want Isaac, that deal suggested would be fine for both sides.

It's funny cus I ended up searching the net for articles about possible Beal trade packages , and there's no shortage of those from the last 2 years . One in particular I think was either from Bleacher Report or ESPN that had Beal and Wagner I believe going to the Magic , and in exchange the Wiz get back Fultz , Isaac , Bamba and 2 draft picks . But overall there's really good trade packages that are very interesting and made sense . But I decided to stick with Gordon over Isaac in the end .

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[Mackrel829]

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Great reasoning! I'm not that sure about the fit with the Magic though. I think, Beal would be a great second option on a contender that needs scoring. Similar to Middleton in Milwaukee, though Beal is a better scorer imo. But 2k works differently, so Beal in Orlando could be a good fit in game. And if you want Isaac, that deal suggested would be fine for both sides.

I actually like Beal's fit on the Magic, but it would do nothing to address their biggest need, which is at point guard. If they could somehow get a competent point guard in the offseason AND trade for Beal, they could be a legit playoff team imo. Beal is basically Evan Fournier but better lol.

My favourite Beal trade would be to Denver, but I don't know how they get him without giving up MPJ. Gary Harris obviously goes back the other way but Denver don't really have anything else to give. Murray and Beal playing off Jokic would be ridiculous though.

[marshdaddy]

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It's funny cus I ended up searching the net for articles about possible Beal trade packages , and there's no shortage of those from the last 2 years . One in particular I think was either from Bleacher Report or ESPN that had Beal and Wagner I believe going to the Magic , and in exchange the Wiz get back Fultz , Isaac , Bamba and 2 draft picks . But overall there's really good trade packages that are very interesting and made sense . But I decided to stick with Gordon over Isaac in the end .

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Fultz, Isaac, Bamba and 2 firsts is an absolute haul. The three players are polarizing, doing one thing well and then just being complete wild cards in other areas.

I don’t hate the Fultz, Isaac and a protected first deal that was suggested. If I’m Washington I might ask for a second protected first, so maybe one protected at top 10, one unprotected.


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[Dbaja22]

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Letting go of Beal in the very 1st season was such a tough thing to do , but it had to happen for a couple of reasons . One I just for whatever reason could not play with him and have any success , up until the trade deadline I was averaging only 22 points a game and shooting 38% with him !! Just not good enough.
So it was officially time to use him as the main piece and start the rebuild , and after brining in Fultz and Gordon I really believe this was a great move for both sides . Some stats after 8 games played with Fultz and Gordon - In 8 games with Fultz im putting up 21.5 PPG and shooting exactly 50% !! With Gordon im putting up 16 PPG and shooting 42% . And if anyones curious I've got Fultz playing at SG as a starter , and im very happy with him .
We have also went 6-2 in these 8 games since the Trade Deadline , and since Beal left us he is putting up 29 PPG and shooting nearly 50% in Orlando . So he has gotten back to form and the Magic look pretty good with him.

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[Mackrel829]

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Is it possible for Denver to put together a package to get Beal, assuming Porter Jr. is off the table? If so, what would it look like?

Gary Harris, Will Barton, Bol Bol, Monte Morris and two firsts?

That's a lot of stuff, but it's a lot of underwhelming stuff with very little upside coming back,l. Even the firsts would in the mid 20s at best.

[marshdaddy]

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Is it possible for Denver to put together a package to get Beal, assuming Porter Jr. is off the table? If so, what would it look like?



Gary Harris, Will Barton, Bol Bol, Monte Morris and two firsts?



That's a lot of stuff, but it's a lot of underwhelming stuff with very little upside coming back,l. Even the firsts would in the mid 20s at best.

If I’m trading away an All Star, I would need to have at least one asset coming back that can match that. Bol Bol is probably the closest thing to that in the deal, and even he is pretty far away. You might be able to make the case with an unprotected first down the line, like in 2024 or 25, but even that’s shaky.

Jamal Murray might honestly be the closest thing. He’s not an All Star as is, but in the West there is so much competition. Swapping Harris for Murray might be enough if I’m Washington. I personally feel like Murray and Beal are on somewhat similar levels, Beal being better of course. But I think If I’m Washington I could look at Murray and say, this is an All Star in East.


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[Mackrel829]

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If I’m trading away an All Star, I would need to have at least one asset coming back that can match that. Bol Bol is probably the closest thing to that in the deal, and even he is pretty far away. You might be able to make the case with an unprotected first down the line, like in 2024 or 25, but even that’s shaky.

Jamal Murray might honestly be the closest thing. He’s not an All Star as is, but in the West there is so much competition. Swapping Harris for Murray might be enough if I’m Washington. I personally feel like Murray and Beal are on somewhat similar levels, Beal being better of course. But I think If I’m Washington I could look at Murray and say, this is an All Star in East.


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I feel like Jamal Murray has more value than Beal does. He's not on Beal's level yet but his upside is way higher. The guy is only 23 and is honestly not that far behind Beal, whereas Beal has almost certainly already reached his ceiling.

I agree that nothing Denver is sending back is very good, though. But then I also look around the league and wonder who else is actually going to be in the market for Beal. Obviously there are a number of teams that would like to have him, but how many of those actually have enough assets to top that Denver package?

The Lakers and Clippers are spent, the Heat have nothing, the Bucks picks would be even worse than the Nuggets, the 6ers would have to trade Simmons or Embiid.

I could see the Raptors trading Lowry and Annunoby but that's pretty meh, the Hawks have a ton of young guys and could probably give the best pick, the Celtics could do it around Brown which would be decent, and the Thunder have a ton of late firsts.

Seems like if the Wizards do end up trading him, whoever gets him could get a steal just because they've waited so long that the market has kind of dried up

[marshdaddy]

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I feel like Jamal Murray has more value than Beal does. He's not on Beal's level yet but his upside is way higher. The guy is only 23 and is honestly not that far behind Beal, whereas Beal has almost certainly already reached his ceiling.

I agree that nothing Denver is sending back is very good, though. But then I also look around the league and wonder who else is actually going to be in the market for Beal. Obviously there are a number of teams that would like to have him, but how many of those actually have enough assets to top that Denver package?

The Lakers and Clippers are spent, the Heat have nothing, the Bucks picks would be even worse than the Nuggets, the 6ers would have to trade Simmons or Embiid.

I could see the Raptors trading Lowry and Annunoby but that's pretty meh, the Hawks have a ton of young guys and could probably give the best pick, the Celtics could do it around Brown which would be decent, and the Thunder have a ton of late firsts.

Seems like if the Wizards do end up trading him, whoever gets him could get a steal just because they've waited so long that the market has kind of dried up

Never discount a team going all in and loading up with picks. Miami could definitely do it if they miss in free agency and make a deal around Herro, Robinson and picks. If I’m Boston I’m not moving Brown for Beal; Brown’s defensive ability is much higher than Beal’s and scoring isn’t terribly far off. Milwaukee’s offer could look similar to Miami’s by using Bledsoe, DiVincenzo and picks if Giannis says its time to go all-in.

That being said, Murray, Bol, picks and some additional pieces could get the job done.


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[Mackrel829]

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Never discount a team going all in and loading up with picks. Miami could definitely do it if they miss in free agency and make a deal around Herro, Robinson and picks. If I’m Boston I’m not moving Brown for Beal; Brown’s defensive ability is much higher than Beal’s and scoring isn’t terribly far off. Milwaukee’s offer could look similar to Miami’s by using Bledsoe, DiVincenzo and picks if Giannis says its time to go all-in.

That being said, Murray, Bol, picks and some additional pieces could get the job done.


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Brown is a better and more versatile defender but Beal is in a whole other league in terms of scoring. He put up 30 points a game this season. Brown will never average 30 points a game.

And the Heat have no first round picks that they can trade iirc. That's what I mean about the number of teams actually being in the market for Beal. There's a lot of talk about where he'll end up but if Miami call and say they'll give up Herro, Robinson and some seconds, he's not going anywhere. And Bledsoe, DiVincenzo and picks is worse than the Nuggets package imo.**

I don't think I see an actual contender that has the assets to trade for Beal. The Celtics do but, as you say, whether they'd give up Brown or not is a definite question. I think they'd be crazy not to but who knows how highly they value him.

**I actually really want to see the Bucks trade Bledsoe and DiVincenzo for Rudy Gobert. Brook Lopez is a way better fit next to Giannis but just imagine that defence. No one would ever score at the rim. Ever.

[marshdaddy]

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Brown is a better and more versatile defender but Beal is in a whole other league in terms of scoring. He put up 30 points a game this season. Brown will never average 30 points a game.



And the Heat have no first round picks that they can trade iirc. That's what I mean about the number of teams actually being in the market for Beal. There's a lot of talk about where he'll end up but if Miami call and say they'll give up Herro, Robinson and some seconds, he's not going anywhere. And Bledsoe, DiVincenzo and picks is worse than the Nuggets package imo.**



I don't think I see an actual contender that has the assets to trade for Beal. The Celtics do but, as you say, whether they'd give up Brown or not is a definite question. I think they'd be crazy not to but who knows how highly they value him.



**I actually really want to see the Bucks trade Bledsoe and DiVincenzo for Rudy Gobert. Brook Lopez is a way better fit next to Giannis but just imagine that defence. No one would ever score at the rim. Ever.

Yeah Beal is certainly a better offensive piece than Brown, but I think Brown has a lot growth in him.

Miami I think has picks after ‘21 or ‘22, but not positive. But yeah a deal with seconds is not worth it.

If the Bucks got Gobert their defense would be unreal, but I’d be afraid that clogs the paint and Giannis doesn’t have as much room to operate which would hamper him late in games.


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[Bgrd1080]

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I want to do an expansion team. What is a realistic trade an expansion team could make to get Michael Porter Jr. I refused to take him in expansion draft. Trying to stay realistic so my starting team is awful. I will give up however many draft picks and expiring deals it takes to make the move, but what isn't robbing the Nuggets in a trade?
Is there an offer?

[Mackrel829]

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I want to do an expansion team. What is a realistic trade an expansion team could make to get Michael Porter Jr. I refused to take him in expansion draft. Trying to stay realistic so my starting team is awful. I will give up however many draft picks and expiring deals it takes to make the move, but what isn't robbing the Nuggets in a trade?
Is there an offer?

Which players do you have and where are your draft picks likely to land?

It also depends on how realistic you're trying to keep things with regards to how the real life season has ended up playing out. Are you pretending that the season was never interrupted and doing an alternate timeline type thing, or are you trying to set up a save that tries to replicate what's actually happened up to this point?

Porter Jr is a rookie who is currently balling out in the bubble. Teams very rarely trade players that they've recently drafted, especially so early in their rookie deal, unless they're trading them away to get a superstar (e.g. the AD to LA trade). This is especially true if a player is playing well, as Porter Jr. is. A star on a rookie contract is the ultimate low risk-high reward scenario for a team.

On the other hand, teams don't often trade for players who are on their rookie deal. Because a rookie deal is so cost effective (for the most part and relatively speaking), it's going to take a a big offer to make it worthwhile for the rookie's team to trade him. At that point, he becomes a far more high risk prospect for the team looking to acquire because of the large investment made and the fact that he's still an unproven commodity.

For these reasons, it's very unlikely that a Michael Porter Jr trade would happen any time soon (unless they included him in a trade for Bradley Beal which I think is unlikely but very much possible). Denver are also very competitive in the West, and have a chance to go a long way in the playoffs. They're not looking to trade away bright young prospects if they're not getting a legit game changer that can help them win games in return. With that being said, there are certainly packages that you could put together that would be 'fair', even if they aren't necessarily 'realistic'.

Since you have an expansion team, I'm going to assume that you have no players of any value, and that your draft picks would be projected top 10 year one, and lottery years two and three. If this is accurate, you'd probably need to give Denver your best young player to match salary, your current year's first, and another future first. If your best young player is basically worthless, and/or your draft picks are later, you should probably add another first.

[marshdaddy]

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Which players do you have and where are your draft picks likely to land?



It also depends on how realistic you're trying to keep things with regards to how the real life season has ended up playing out. Are you pretending that the season was never interrupted and doing an alternate timeline type thing, or are you trying to set up a save that tries to replicate what's actually happened up to this point?



Porter Jr is a rookie who is currently balling out in the bubble. Teams very rarely trade players that they've recently drafted, especially so early in their rookie deal, unless they're trading them away to get a superstar (e.g. the AD to LA trade). This is especially true if a player is playing well, as Porter Jr. is. A star on a rookie contract is the ultimate low risk-high reward scenario for a team.



On the other hand, teams don't often trade for players who are on their rookie deal. Because a rookie deal is so cost effective (for the most part and relatively speaking), it's going to take a a big offer to make it worthwhile for the rookie's team to trade him. At that point, he becomes a far more high risk prospect for the team looking to acquire because of the large investment made and the fact that he's still an unproven commodity.



For these reasons, it's very unlikely that a Michael Porter Jr trade would happen any time soon (unless they included him in a trade for Bradley Beal which I think is unlikely but very much possible). Denver are also very competitive in the West, and have a chance to go a long way in the playoffs. They're not looking to trade away bright young prospects if they're not getting a legit game changer that can help them win games in return. With that being said, there are certainly packages that you could put together that would be 'fair', even if they aren't necessarily 'realistic'.



Since you have an expansion team, I'm going to assume that you have no players of any value, and that your draft picks would be projected top 10 year one, and lottery years two and three. If this is accurate, you'd probably need to give Denver your best young player to match salary, your current year's first, and another future first. If your best young player is basically worthless, and/or your draft picks are later, you should probably add another first.

To add on this, players on rookie contracts are also valuable because they become restricted free agents, so the team really has another 3-4 years of them before they have a legit chance of losing them for nothing. Porter Jr. is on the second year of his contract, so the Nuggets are looking at two years of great value, even if he doesn’t get better (which he will), than 3-4 years of market value. If they were to trade him, like you mentioned unless it’s in a superstar deal, it won’t be for another 4-6 years


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[Bgrd1080]

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Which players do you have and where are your draft picks likely to land?

It also depends on how realistic you're trying to keep things with regards to how the real life season has ended up playing out. Are you pretending that the season was never interrupted and doing an alternate timeline type thing, or are you trying to set up a save that tries to replicate what's actually happened up to this point?

Porter Jr is a rookie who is currently balling out in the bubble. Teams very rarely trade players that they've recently drafted, especially so early in their rookie deal, unless they're trading them away to get a superstar (e.g. the AD to LA trade). This is especially true if a player is playing well, as Porter Jr. is. A star on a rookie contract is the ultimate low risk-high reward scenario for a team.

On the other hand, teams don't often trade for players who are on their rookie deal. Because a rookie deal is so cost effective (for the most part and relatively speaking), it's going to take a a big offer to make it worthwhile for the rookie's team to trade him. At that point, he becomes a far more high risk prospect for the team looking to acquire because of the large investment made and the fact that he's still an unproven commodity.

For these reasons, it's very unlikely that a Michael Porter Jr trade would happen any time soon (unless they included him in a trade for Bradley Beal which I think is unlikely but very much possible). Denver are also very competitive in the West, and have a chance to go a long way in the playoffs. They're not looking to trade away bright young prospects if they're not getting a legit game changer that can help them win games in return. With that being said, there are certainly packages that you could put together that would be 'fair', even if they aren't necessarily 'realistic'.

Since you have an expansion team, I'm going to assume that you have no players of any value, and that your draft picks would be projected top 10 year one, and lottery years two and three. If this is accurate, you'd probably need to give Denver your best young player to match salary, your current year's first, and another future first. If your best young player is basically worthless, and/or your draft picks are later, you should probably add another first.

That's fair. Essentially what I want to find is one player I can basically use to try and take over games for my expansion team. A player who can try and win games all by themselves. 1 superstar to use, young or old that I could try and have takeover games and try to get an expansion team to the playoffs on his own. Essentially put the whole team on his back. Think those early Lebron Cavs years. Give him 25-35 shots a game and watch him rack up the points whether we win or lose.


What about Russel Westbrook or DeAngelo Williams or KAT?

[Mackrel829]

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That's fair. Essentially what I want to find is one player I can basically use to try and take over games for my expansion team. A player who can try and win games all by themselves. 1 superstar to use, young or old that I could try and have takeover games and try to get an expansion team to the playoffs on his own. Essentially put the whole team on his back. Think those early Lebron Cavs years. Give him 25-35 shots a game and watch him rack up the points whether we win or lose.


What about Russel Westbrook or DeAngelo Williams or KAT?

Again, it depends on where you are and how realistic you're looking to keep it. The Timberwolves have just traded for Russell and they wouldn't trade KAT. Same with the Rockets having just traded for Russell.

The most realistic way that you'd get a player like that on an expansion team is to draft them. Shouldn't be too hard to tank the first season and get a top 5 pick.

If you don't want to do that and want to trade for a proven guy to kick-start your success, Bradley Beal is the most likely star/superstar to get traded. If the Wizards do trade him then they'll enter a full rebuild so would be very interested in your early lottery picks. You'd probably need to give three of them up to get him.

If not Beal, there are some other guys who could fit the bill, such as:

- Ben Simmons/Joel Embiid: I could see Philly bailing on one or the other for a good deal. They're not working out together.

- Damontas Sabonis: Pacers would probably trade Turner before Sabonis and might even keep them together. He's an offensive centre that can run an offense himself.

- Victor Oladipo: Has been bad since returning from injury and is approaching a contract year. Pacers might flip him but would probably want at least a competent player back.

Chris Paul/John Wall: As an expansion team, you're probably one of the few organisations that could afford to take on one of those contracts, and you probably wouldn't have to give up much to get one.

- Aaron Gordon: Could become something more on a team built around him on which he's the first option. Kind of a reclamation project.

Darius Garland: Disappointed in his rookie season and has been overshadowed by Colin Sexton. Still very young with good upside.

Dennis Smith Jr.: Looked like an exciting prospect on the Mavs. Like Gordon, could turn into something if someone believed in him enough to build a team around him.