Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

[mb625]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

If your opponent scores every time he facing you, your PPP is 2 (more considering 3 point play) That means lower is the number, the player you defende score less.

Is usage rate for the player they're guarding a factor? I.e. does the possession not count if their man isn't taking the shot?

[aloncho11]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

How does defensive consistency affect this rating?

[goma76]

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Is usage rate for the player they're guarding a factor? I.e. does the possession not count if their man isn't taking the shot?

Exactly, the opponent must take a shot for counting.

[mb625]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

Exactly, the opponent must take a shot for counting.

Gotcha. Thanks!

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[keshunleon]

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So just clarifying, the lower the number .73 is a better defender vice a poor defender 1.07?

According to Rashidi's numbers Rose is an elite defender and Murray is a terrible defender?

[Thrustie]

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Does this data sway any ratings?

ISOLATION DEFENSE (2016-2019)
100+ Possessions (Bold = 200+ Possessions)
0.73 Derrick Rose = 67
0.77 Eric Bledsoe = 93
0.78 Dennis Schroder = 73
0.79 John Wall = 85
0.79 Kemba Walker = 75
0.79 Elfrid Payton = 80
0.79 Isaiah Thomas = 47
0.80 LeBron James = 87
0.80 Mike Conley = 85
0.81 Evan Turner = 74
0.81 Patty Mills = 65
0.82 Stephen Curry = 75
0.82 Chris Paul = 91
0.83 Kyle Lowry = 86
0.85 Russell Westbrook = 83
0.85 Ben Simmons = 84
0.85 Lonzo Ball = 84
0.85 Goran Dragic = 73
0.85 J.J. Barea = 64
0.85 Ish Smith = 74
0.86 Victor Oladipo = 91
0.86 Matthew Dellavedova = 82
0.87 Damian Lillard = 69
0.87 Reggie Jackson = 74
0.87 George Hill = 75
0.88 Ricky Rubio = 78
0.88 Austin Rivers = 82
0.89 Kris Dunn = 79
0.90 Lou Williams = 65
0.92 De'Aaron Fox = 79
0.93 Cory Joseph = 80
0.95 Justise Winslow = 78
0.95 Jeff Teague = 78
0.95 Michael Carter-Williams = 75
0.96 T.J. McConnell = 74
0.97 Kyrie Irving = 73
0.97 Tim Frazier = 69
0.98 Tyus Jones = 57
0.99 D.J. Augustin = 60
0.99 Spencer Dinwiddie = 74
0.99 Yogi Ferrell = 64
1.00 Patrick Beverley = 92
1.00 Tomas Satoransky = 71
1.04 Terry Rozier = 75
1.06 Rajon Rondo = 80
1.07 Jamal Murray = 70

Doesn’t account for a lot of other metrics typically used to measure individual defensive ability. Which is probably why there is a lot of inverse results to expectations. Quality of competition is one of the biggest missing components.

[mb625]

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So just clarifying, the lower the number .73 is a better defender vice a poor defender 1.07?

According to Rashidi's numbers Rose is an elite defender and Murray is a terrible defender?

This number isn't going to tell the whole story, I don't think, but it certainly is interesting to consider and look at

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[Cavs2016]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

Way overrated: pat Bev
Way underrated: Alex Caruso

Also kawhi and PG are crazy overrated defensively as well

Also historically they need to bump Michael Jordan’s defensive ratings down tenfold. That dude is a sorry defender compared to today’s defensive standards.

And lebron’s perimeter defense was god awful last season. If he gets back to his 2016/2018 level an 87 makes sense but he was slow and stiff last season. Even pre-injury

I think curry is properly rated if you watch the games. Bigger players like Bron in 2k will abuse him. But curry irl is a very high IQ engaged defender with adequate physical tools. 70s is fine

[tru11]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

Way overrated: pat Bev
Way underrated: Alex Caruso

Also kawhi and PG are crazy overrated defensively as well

Also historically they need to bump Michael Jordan’s defensive ratings down tenfold. That dude is a sorry defender compared to today’s defensive standards.

And lebron’s perimeter defense was god awful last season. If he gets back to his 2016/2018 level an 87 makes sense but he was slow and stiff last season. Even pre-injury

I think curry is properly rated if you watch the games. Bigger players like Bron in 2k will abuse him. But curry irl is a very high IQ engaged defender with adequate physical tools. 70s is fine

what is today`s defensive standard and based on what makes you think that jordan would be a sorry defender?

[TarHeelPhenom]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

Way overrated: pat Bev
Way underrated: Alex Caruso

Also kawhi and PG are crazy overrated defensively as well

Also historically they need to bump Michael Jordan’s defensive ratings down tenfold. That dude is a sorry defender compared to today’s defensive standards.

And lebron’s perimeter defense was god awful last season. If he gets back to his 2016/2018 level an 87 makes sense but he was slow and stiff last season. Even pre-injury

I think curry is properly rated if you watch the games. Bigger players like Bron in 2k will abuse him. But curry irl is a very high IQ engaged defender with adequate physical tools. 70s is fine

Regarding MJ...

[Real2KInsider]

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Define isolation defense. What does it mean by 0.77 for bledsoe vs 1.07 (Jamal Murray)?

PPP = Points per Possession

Players defended by Bledsoe in Isolation scored at 0.77 Points per Possession (the average was 0.88).

Possession data differs from opponent's FG% in that it factors in fouls and turnovers.

Exactly, the opponent must take a shot for counting.

Touching on the above, possessions end in more than just shot attempts.

[Real2KInsider]

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So just clarifying, the lower the number .73 is a better defender vice a poor defender 1.07?

According to Rashidi's numbers Rose is an elite defender and Murray is a terrible defender?

No.

Isolation defense is a very small chunk of PG defense. It makes up less than 10% of all these player's possessions.

Rose is a bigger PG (logged more mins at SG than PG in 2019) so he should be a more effective in Isolation. His athleticism/length made up for his lack of IQ when younger with Chicago. Simply looking at one area does not define whether a player is a good defender or not.

Derrick Rose (2019)
ON-BALL DEF
34% PnR: 1.01 PPP (168 poss) - 14th percentile
7% Post-Up: 0.56 PPP (32 poss) - 94th percentile
5% Isolation: 0.53 PPP (26 poss) - 96th percentile

OFF-BALL DEF
32% Spot-Up: 1.02 PPP (157 poss) - 49th percentile
10% Off-Screen: 0.92 PPP (49 poss) - 52nd percentile
8% Hand-Off: 0.76 PPP (41 poss) - 77th percentile

We can very clearly see Rose (in 2019) was an effective defender 1v1 but got abused in PnR. Probably has the biggest split in the league between his Iso/Post and PnR defense.

[Real2KInsider]

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Quality of competition is one of the biggest missing components.

While this is TECHNICALLY true, it isn't actually that big a deal as only quality players attempt Isolations nowadays.

2019 Sixers Isos
10% Jimmy Butler (SF): 1.00 PPP (119 poss)
10% Tobias Harris (PF): 0.98 PPP (167 poss)
8% Jonathan Simmons (SG): 0.90 PPP (31 poss)
6% Joel Embiid (C): 0.81 PPP (111 poss)
5% Ben Simmons (PG): 0.93 PPP (50 poss)
2% T.J. McConnell (PG): 1.00 PPP (10 poss)

It's not like defenders are padding their numbers against players who can't score. Especially at the PG spot.

[Thrustie]

Re: Perimeter Defense Rating (NBA 2K20)

While this is TECHNICALLY true, it isn't actually that big a deal as only quality players attempt Isolations nowadays.

2019 Sixers Isos
10% Jimmy Butler (SF): 1.00 PPP (119 poss)
10% Tobias Harris (PF): 0.98 PPP (167 poss)
8% Jonathan Simmons (SG): 0.90 PPP (31 poss)
6% Joel Embiid (C): 0.81 PPP (111 poss)
5% Ben Simmons (PG): 0.93 PPP (50 poss)
2% T.J. McConnell (PG): 1.00 PPP (10 poss)

It's not like defenders are padding their numbers against players who can't score. Especially at the PG spot.

I hear what you’re saying but how often do you think the Celtics allowed IT to get ISO’d on by anyone vaguely threatening? It’s hard for me to accept that he’s a good iso defender, despite the numbers. The guy is a turnstile and his contest would barely register for a lot of shooters. He typically got easier assignments and they threw help like crazy whenever teams tried to isolate him. I feel like his numbers must be inflated by mediocre offensive players or shots late in the clock or something.

[Real2KInsider]

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Also historically they need to bump Michael Jordan’s defensive ratings down tenfold. That dude is a sorry defender compared to today’s defensive standards.

Statement is too hyperbolic, but understand the sentiment. Jordan in his 30s wasn't All-Time Great ELITE (Ben Wallace, Ron Artest, Gary Payton, etc) and that's where they have him rated as a defender. Ron Harper and Scottie Pippen took the tough defensive assignments and obviously Rodman did a bulk of work as well. He was DPOY in 1988, not 1998.

Jordan also played in an era filled to the brim with small/unathletic guards which enabled him to dominate on both ends. Nowadays that skill/size/athleticism is commonplace. Teams have had 20 years to figure out what made him so great.