This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

[splashmountain]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

My C has 60 or less pass rating and does fine.
My 6`2 SG slashing playmaker has a 90 rating doing well
My new 6`0 SG all round 2way has an 80 rating and has been doing great so far.

big men with 50 to 60 passing rating is equivalent to a guard being a 80 to 89. as far as accuracy goes.

why? i can only assume they did that to make the rebounding bigs worth while on kick outs and full court passes. if they were truly 50's passing rating and the fact that half the players dont even turn around to face the people they are throwing it to after a rebound. they just hit "RB/LB" for the closest guy to the basket. If that 50 rating was real there would be so many throwaways bigs would no longer launch it full court. and bigs actually dont need break starter like they use to in years past.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

yeah it depends alot on your teammates.

usually the bigs crowed the paint together humping each other with the 2 others usually somewhere in the corner or setting a screen.

usually means that if you beat your man you got a lot of space to work with to shoot or if their is help defense get the ball to the open man

Well, damn. Sounds like what being a PG is about, lol. I think that's real problem with the MyPlayer mode. People create this builds with the sole purpose of scoring and getting as many badges as possible. No one really plays to the "role" of their build. I played C/PF while in middle school and AAU, but didn't play high school or college since I never got pass 6'2". However, I played Point PF/SF in recreational basketball. Since I was never the dominant player, I learned how to play within my respective role and contribute to the team. When I play REC, I play within my role and to the strengths of my build. I make plays, play solid defense on the perimeter, and score in the corner or baseline drives. As I result, I consider myself a modest player who will have more good games than bad.

Most people in the MyPlayer mode just want to be the "GOAT" or "Da Man", so they get mad and upset when things don't go their way.

[splashmountain]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

Giant Slayer is must have on that height. I have Giant Slayer (G), Acrobat (G), Slithery Finish (G), and Contact Finisher (B). If you can get HOF badges, then Giant Slayer, Acrobat, and Slithery Finish are your goto badges. You don't need Contact Finisher that high, because you get mostly very low coverage percentages on your layup attempts. The only time Contact Finisher activates for me is when I pull off a dunk.

I'll let you pick your own dribble moves/packages, but most of my dribble packages are low (Iverson like) to prevent people from stealing the ball. Personally, I feel like that I can attack the paint at will, but you will get blocked a LOT in the beginning, lol. Once you figure out the proper driving lanes, when to attack the bigs, and how to properly utilize your euros/cradles/etc, man...there's something special about being a little player and scoring over bigs. Truthfully, I really hate that my driving dunk rating is so high, because sometimes I forget to let go of Turbo when driving.

its easy as hell to score on bigs with little guys in this game with giant slayer on Hall of fame, slithery on Hall. you can throw in relentless too if you want to. prostep to over do it. and you're pretty much done. Its going to be you blowing by people that you probably shouldnt blow by if your guy is part slasher. meaning a defender that doesnt get you in a clamps animation, will almost always be blown by even if their foot is on the baseline and you're going baseline. 2k will make them slight move out of the way to let you pass. THen just go up. if you have a high driving layup rating, its layups all night and day on bigs. way more than actual bigs with even better inside attributes and the same inside badges that you have and contact finisher on HOF. thats because bigs have been nerfed while perimeter slasher players can do what they want pretty much once you get to a good overall with those badges mentioned.

[splashmountain]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

when i make a pass i already considerd the risk vs the rewards.

so i pretty much know if there is a risk in it being intercepted.

basicially dont force anything.

basically play scared all game and only pass around the perimeter. Or use cheese #2, have the cheese brick wall teammate keep setting those screens that suck in defenders who are not close to it like a blackhole. keep dribble gawding around those screens and pulling up form the REC logo if they go under.

see its one thing to play it smart. its another to have to be scared to make a simple pass because 2k will make your pass GO TO the defender. even if he's not in the proper position to steal the ball. many people defending this silly stuff dont even know that if you put your controller down on defense and you have a high enough steal rating and a high enough interceptor badge. you can sit in the middle of the zone on defense, put the controller down, and watch how many times you tip or steal a pass that isnt throw directly towards you without you pressing any buttons. how Sway?

2k cpu does the work for you.

[tru11]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

icon passing has similar issues to direction passing just not as bad.

and again, the problem with passing icon or direction was never an issue until they started to say "we're going to focus on defense this year" that was a few years ago.

2ks version of focusing on defense was to make it OP by having the defenders control the trajectory of the ball(ball speed, and ball direction)

it has nothing to do with spacing with what i'm talking about. Yes we know there are some teams/players who dont play smart basketball at all and they will force it into a bad area where a guy is literally spying that pass and will jump the passing lane. we're not talking about that at all. and no video would show what we're talking about UNLESS someone can record a video of the game being played and a video of the buttons pressed/ and which direction you're pushing the analog sticks. it all would have to be perfectly synced. so that people could see where you were aiming or who you were passing it to. then they would notice the ball is going in a completely different direction at times to go towards a defender for a steal/tip.

You want to believe this game is more sim than it really is. its not anymore. sorry to say.

Seems like an issue with your target pass profile.

What you describe cant happen with icon passing.

The pass will go the the icon you pressed regardless of where you are pointing.
If you have lead passing on then well you aiming can lead the receiver into a bad spot.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

icon passing has similar issues to direction passing just not as bad.

and again, the problem with passing icon or direction was never an issue until they started to say "we're going to focus on defense this year" that was a few years ago.

2ks version of focusing on defense was to make it OP by having the defenders control the trajectory of the ball(ball speed, and ball direction)

it has nothing to do with spacing with what i'm talking about. Yes we know there are some teams/players who dont play smart basketball at all and they will force it into a bad area where a guy is literally spying that pass and will jump the passing lane. we're not talking about that at all. and no video would show what we're talking about UNLESS someone can record a video of the game being played and a video of the buttons pressed/ and which direction you're pushing the analog sticks. it all would have to be perfectly synced. so that people could see where you were aiming or who you were passing it to. then they would notice the ball is going in a completely different direction at times to go towards a defender for a steal/tip.

You want to believe this game is more sim than it really is. its not anymore. sorry to say.

Actually...there's a little white circle that appears beneath your intended target depending on how you point the LS. Pressing the button is the simplest and easiest way to make a pass which will create the most undesirable results. Directional passing is next "accurate" way of passing. Icon passing is the most precise way of passing.

The way I see it...if you want to be the most accurate with your playmaking, then icon passing is a must. If you WANT to be a true PG, then icon passing should be required. With icon passing, there's ZERO chance of the pass going to the wrong target unless it's tipped, because you're selecting your target. I've been using icon passing (with lead and skip passing turned off) since NBA 2K4, and I went with that, because I absolutely hated how I thought the pass was going to one player and ended up going to a different player. That situation was happening long before NBA 2K20.

You can't complain about the accuracy of a sniper rifle if you have a choice of two different types of scope, but you elect to go without a scope every time.

[tru11]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

big men with 50 to 60 passing rating is equivalent to a guard being a 80 to 89. as far as accuracy goes.

why? i can only assume they did that to make the rebounding bigs worth while on kick outs and full court passes. if they were truly 50's passing rating and the fact that half the players dont even turn around to face the people they are throwing it to after a rebound. they just hit "RB/LB" for the closest guy to the basket. If that 50 rating was real there would be so many throwaways bigs would no longer launch it full court. and bigs actually dont need break starter like they use to in years past.

Not true at all.

with a 50 pass rating throwing regular pass will result in being intercepted more often then not.

Icon pass however is that much more accurate.

It is a world of difference very noteworthy when throwing outlet passes after a rebound.

An icon pass will sail past a defender trying to pick it almost perfect to the reciever.
At most it can get tipped.

A normal outlet pass is either a pick or it goes out of bound on the other end unless you got the outletpass badge.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

its easy as hell to score on bigs with little guys in this game with giant slayer on Hall of fame, slithery on Hall. you can throw in relentless too if you want to. prostep to over do it. and you're pretty much done. Its going to be you blowing by people that you probably shouldnt blow by if your guy is part slasher. meaning a defender that doesnt get you in a clamps animation, will almost always be blown by even if their foot is on the baseline and you're going baseline. 2k will make them slight move out of the way to let you pass. THen just go up. if you have a high driving layup rating, its layups all night and day on bigs. way more than actual bigs with even better inside attributes and the same inside badges that you have and contact finisher on HOF. thats because bigs have been nerfed while perimeter slasher players can do what they want pretty much once you get to a good overall with those badges mentioned.

No, I work for my shots. It's mostly me taking advantage of 90% of the community that don't know how to play on-the-ball defense without trying to use a double team or playing the passing lanes. The one advantage of playing PNO since NBA 2K4 is that you were mostly responsible for your own defense, and I played on-the-ball defense religiosity for a very long time. So defensively (combined with my IRL experience), I'm already an animal defensively. What I do to people offensively, they won't do to me unless they're dancing between 1-2 bigs and using 1001 screens.

Plus, in any given matchup, I have the advantage of 99 Speed/Acceleration with HOF Quick First Step while using low to the ground dribble animation. I should blow by most defenders with zero "help" from 2K especially when most people don't know how to guard the ball anyways. I love it when my teammates figure out that I don't need help on defense, and they let me handle my matchup one on one. I love it when my teammates figure out that I don't need a screen on every possession to make a play or score. I'm a solid one-on-one player without relying on the meta.

As for scoring at will...it's funny you mentioned that. I'm mostly confident that I will score on baseline drives or by attacking the rim with eurosteps/cradles/right layups/left layups, but I chalk that up more to people don't know how to time their blocks. However, I played a game last night where their big blocked me 8 times in a row on my dribble drives. It took me a while, but I learned to keep my little *** out of the paint for that particular game, because "That big knew what he was doing.". Unfortunately, I did activate his takeover too soon.

The big picture...I don't think the community is as skilled or knowledgeable as they think they are.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

basically play scared all game and only pass around the perimeter. Or use cheese #2, have the cheese brick wall teammate keep setting those screens that suck in defenders who are not close to it like a blackhole. keep dribble gawding around those screens and pulling up form the REC logo if they go under.

see its one thing to play it smart. its another to have to be scared to make a simple pass because 2k will make your pass GO TO the defender. even if he's not in the proper position to steal the ball. many people defending this silly stuff dont even know that if you put your controller down on defense and you have a high enough steal rating and a high enough interceptor badge. you can sit in the middle of the zone on defense, put the controller down, and watch how many times you tip or steal a pass that isnt throw directly towards you without you pressing any buttons. how Sway?

2k cpu does the work for you.

Yes...the game does have a little bit of AI assistance on defense. I forget what the default setting is.

[tru11]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

No, I work for my shots. It's mostly me taking advantage of 90% of the community that don't know how to play on-the-ball defense without trying to use a double team or playing the passing lanes. The one advantage of playing PNO since NBA 2K4 is that you were mostly responsible for your own defense, and I played on-the-ball defense religiosity for a very long time. So defensively (combined with my IRL experience), I'm already an animal defensively. What I do to people offensively, they won't do to me unless they're dancing between 1-2 bigs and using 1001 screens.

Plus, in any given matchup, I have the advantage of 99 Speed/Acceleration with HOF Quick First Step while using low to the ground dribble animation. I should blow by most defenders with zero "help" from 2K especially when most people don't know how to guard the ball anyways. I love it when my teammates figure out that I don't need help on defense, and they let me handle my matchup one on one. I love it when my teammates figure out that I don't need a screen on every possession to make a play or score. I'm a solid one-on-one player without relying on the meta.

As for scoring at will...it's funny you mentioned that. I'm mostly confident that I will score on baseline drives or by attacking the rim with eurosteps/cradles/right layups/left layups, but I chalk that up more to people don't know how to time their blocks. However, I played a game last night where their big blocked me 8 times in a row on my dribble drives. It took me a while, but I learned to keep my little *** out of the paint for that particular game, because "That big knew what he was doing.". Unfortunately, I did activate his takeover too soon.

The big picture...I don't think the community is as skilled or knowledgeable as they think they are.

So true.

Its damm easy to bait people into think your man is open and then when they make the pass you intercept it or make them take a heavily contested shot.

Also its sad how people dont learn and know how to adapt.
You can fool them more often then not.

Your baseline lay up is a perfect example.

Even if someone did it 2 times already people still will jump way to soon making the player get an easy lay up.

Me , you might do it 1 or 2 times but once i figured your tendency out im waiting for the easy block.

Just like how slashers want to use the baseline to drive.
After the 2nd time you are running out of bound or into a charge.

People are so used to doing just 1 or 2 things and simply cant adept when it aint working.
Those are the first that quit as well....

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

So true.

Its damm easy to bait people into think your man is open and then when they make the pass you intercept it or make them take a heavily contested shot.

Also its sad how people dont learn and know how to adapt.
You can fool them more often then not.

Your baseline lay up is a perfect example.

Even if someone did it 2 times already people still will jump way to soon making the player get an easy lay up.

Me , you might do it 1 or 2 times but once i figured your tendency out im waiting for the easy block.

Just like how slashers want to use the baseline to drive.
After the 2nd time you are running out of bound or into a charge.

People are so used to doing just 1 or 2 things and simply cant adept when it aint working.
Those are the first that quit as well....

Exactly! Don't get me wrong...8 attempts was excessive even by my standards, but I thought I would eventually get one off. Nope, lol! Their big had the paint on lockdown against my dribble drives. I accepted the role of being the secondary playmaker and focused on defense. We almost came back to win after being down 16 points. I screwed up and I just HAD to take that one last dribble drive when I got the ball in corner. Yep...dude blocked my reverse layup. I ended the game 2 for 12, lol. That loss was on me, because I saw the open teammate before went into the paint, and I have HOF Dimer/Floor General. There no reason for me NOT to pass the ball.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

I'm going to stream some games tonight....

I hope that I get matched up against another "elite" team, so I can get some redemption. In hindsight, I think I let that one team get to me, because they had me on lockdown even on the perimeter, and my team folded up like some lawnchairs underneath the pressure.

[splashmountain]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

So true.

Its damm easy to bait people into think your man is open and then when they make the pass you intercept it or make them take a heavily contested shot.

Also its sad how people dont learn and know how to adapt.
You can fool them more often then not.

Your baseline lay up is a perfect example.

Even if someone did it 2 times already people still will jump way to soon making the player get an easy lay up.

Me , you might do it 1 or 2 times but once i figured your tendency out im waiting for the easy block.

Just like how slashers want to use the baseline to drive.
After the 2nd time you are running out of bound or into a charge.

People are so used to doing just 1 or 2 things and simply cant adept when it aint working.
Those are the first that quit as well....

a lot of what you say is true. but a lot of what you think you're doing is not.

you think you're baiting someone into a bad pass. its true that works on unsmart basketball players. but there are guys who have at least average intelligence. and they passed the ball to someone else not even where you thought you baited them. but little did you know. 2k forced that pass to go the wrong way. you have no way of knowing when that happens and when it doesnt. No way. unless you are in a party with the people you play against and you guys end up in the same rec game or go into pro am and matchup while still in the same party.

This is what i'm talking about when i say some of you guys will never admit the faults of 2k because it then under minds how great you THINK you are at certain aspects of the game. it doesnt mean you can't be great at the game. it just means you dont have to be in this game because all of the gifts that 2k gives you for certain builds, certain badges, certain overalls for those builds/badges.

[splashmountain]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

Seems like an issue with your target pass profile.

What you describe cant happen with icon passing.

The pass will go the the icon you pressed regardless of where you are pointing.
If you have lead passing on then well you aiming can lead the receiver into a bad spot.

Yes it can happen with icon passing and it does at times not nearly as much but it happens.

I personally HATE icon passing. to me its a patch because 2k can't figure out how to create a more accurate passing system.

the time it takes to bring up the icons is time you could've made a quicker decision to drop a dime. yes you can get use to it and drop dimes too. not the point. it takes away from the game. they know it. but they dont know how to fix it so it will never go anywhere.

by the way i changed my pass targeting to go to where i pass it, and not to the open man/area. i dont want 2k making decisions for me.

[splashmountain]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

Actually...there's a little white circle that appears beneath your intended target depending on how you point the LS. Pressing the button is the simplest and easiest way to make a pass which will create the most undesirable results. Directional passing is next "accurate" way of passing. Icon passing is the most precise way of passing.

The way I see it...if you want to be the most accurate with your playmaking, then icon passing is a must. If you WANT to be a true PG, then icon passing should be required. With icon passing, there's ZERO chance of the pass going to the wrong target unless it's tipped, because you're selecting your target. I've been using icon passing (with lead and skip passing turned off) since NBA 2K4, and I went with that, because I absolutely hated how I thought the pass was going to one player and ended up going to a different player. That situation was happening long before NBA 2K20.

You can't complain about the accuracy of a sniper rifle if you have a choice of two different types of scope, but you elect to go without a scope every time.

all this is true. but again, i HATE icon passing, always have,and always will. because its unrealistic. you aimt to pass. let me aim to pass. so i wont lose any precious milliseconds of time when i'm making that split decision.

Imagine coming down court, and you dont have your teammate with a headset so you cant talk to each other. so some random teammate cuts out to the corner three, and his defender follows so your idea pass option turns to the shooter on the other side who might end up being open as the play is starting to develop in real time. then bam, split second, that first guy on the other side v-cuts right back towards the paint from the 3pt line, shaking his defender and leaving him behind him chasing. guess how quickly i need to make that split decision to pass it to him. out of reach of the defender.

icon passing means, i have to first...Bring up the icons (RB), then press the button corresponding to his position.

direction passing means, i have to aint with the stick towards him and press the proper pass button (preferably a lob if he's athletic enough or and bounce pass if there is anyone remotely could get in the passing lane. or a nice chest pass leading him towards the basket.

the i con passing takes a little more time to do than just a nice direction pass. but because 2k's passing is suspect at times. obviously your best bet is to use the icon passing but for me it takes you out of the immersion of the game.