Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

[Kushmir]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

Lol there a reason no nba team plays zone consistently irl

Or gives up corner threes. In reality they guard the best shot in basketball SUPER AGGRESSIVELY...in 2K it can't hurt you consistently so we see zones from most of the "elite" players [emoji23]

Every year someone comes in telling us we're doing everything wrong...do what I do. Laugh it off.

[BasketBalla21]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

Or gives up corner threes. In reality they guard the best shot in basketball SUPER AGGRESSIVELY.

That is so wrong it's not even funny....

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[tru11]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

What are you talking about?

We don't determine what types of passes happen. I'll have a wide open player and pass the ball and the player tries to throw it through the defender and not around.

In certain situations 2K has predetermined passes, I've done a bounce pass and get a regular pass.

A chest pass but we get an over head pass.

A wrap around pass but we get a chess pass.

A one hand pass off the dribble but we get the dribbler picking up the ball stopping all the momentum to throw a 2 handed pass switching from the right hand to make a bad pass.

Give us control of our passes: tap, hold, or the better passers pick the best passes.

You should pick the best pass not the game.

Triangle is overhead pass
Circle is bounce pass
X is the standard pass
Double triangle is alley oop.

That you have icon passing which you can customize with the pass target profile.

With lead passing you can also force the receiver to a certain spot.

Give and go you will control the receiver rather then the passer with AI usually giving a pin point pass.

PnO is on superstar i believe so AI is going to make plays on ill advised passes.

No different then in rec when you teammates bail out on you and AI starts playing actual defense.




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[tru11]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

With "bait" defensive strategies, I have to leave Icons on Total Receiver Control to prevent bad cuts already. I cannot control when my passer chooses to send it straight to the defender's chest vs. throwing it to where the receiver legitimately is. We're not asking for there never to be any turnovers. They should just be realistic. You make the right pass, but the defender makes the right play? Great! I make a wrong read (like here: https://www.twitch.tv/mbless1415/cli...ll&sort=time)? Hey, you bet that oughta be a Turnover.

But when you're making the right read, no one is nearby the pass receiver and your passer chooses to send it straight to the defender's chest instead, like in the clip with Embiid? Nope. That should not happen. Don't make this any harder on the passer than it already is with OP passing lane steals and bad AI cuts and decisions.

EDIT: Note also, that this isn't about the Rec. This is in a 5 v. 5 setting where you can only control one at a time. I've had little issue with passing in the Rec.

That vid is a perfect example of user error.

First to have a pick and roll work, you actually use the pick to drive and make the defense switch.

Once that happens embiid would have a clear run to the basket and an alley oop would have been an easy bucket.

A bounce pass would have been the next best choice.
Icon passing would also have worked if the C rotated to you.


In your case if you just stand there and yet want to get the ball to embiid, you either wait till he gets out of his roll to the basket and then have him post up; use triangle for a overhead pass or O for a bounce pass.

If you insist on making that pass while he is rolling then double tap triangle for an alley oop would have been the only option.


These are ps4 controls.

Been playing 2K for almost 20 years now long before JRC was around.




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[Kushmir]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

That is so wrong it's not even funny....

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Wait, you think some video you found on youtube video means NBA teams aren't terrified of the corner 3? [emoji23] This thread just went from funny to STANDUP lol. The comedy...

OAN: Its super cute you guys think pass types matter more than they actually do. Too often the game decides what type of pass we throw and thats the point many of us are making. We want passing options to matter...but also for the AI not to be stupid. Cov steals the ball and I would throw a lob that Ben could run "under" here...but nope, passes only exist in 2 dimensions and don't have height so it goes right to Kyrie (who's never made a defensive play in his life) turns into Odell Beckham Jr.

If he's a bad passer and can't make the play? FINE. But I usually get the ball to my PG just so I can benefit from the best possible passing....so if its a rating thing someone got some "splaining" to do:

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Here I steal the ball from Fultz and i'm throwing it to Ben streaking downcourt (not a great choice, but follow me for a sec) here again, passes only exist in two dimensions so the ball goes directly at Fultz. Deion Sanders one-handed interception activated [emoji23]:

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The worst part? We all know the user above was just spamming steal--and the game goes EASY MODE and gave him the best steal animation for the situation, this is why separating passing lane steals and on-ball steals is CRITICAL.

Here Gasol is spamming steal but gets in front of Embiid so I go to the lob (triangle) which should be perfect for the situation. buuuuut NOPE. Another pass right to the defender, and that's a PG passing:

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And I have tons of bounce passes going straight to the defender as well. Let know if you need them. GOOD STUFF. [emoji57]

[mb625]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

That vid is a perfect example of user error.

First to have a pick and roll work, you actually use the pick to drive and make the defense switch.

Once that happens embiid would have a clear run to the basket and an alley oop would have been an easy bucket.

A bounce pass would have been the next best choice.
Icon passing would also have worked if the C rotated to you.


In your case if you just stand there and yet want to get the ball to embiid, you either wait till he gets out of his roll to the basket and then have him post up; use triangle for a overhead pass or O for a bounce pass.

If you insist on making that pass while he is rolling then double tap triangle for an alley oop would have been the only option.


These are ps4 controls.

Been playing 2K for almost 20 years now long before JRC was around.




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That's... Exactly what I'm saying though. That turnover makes sense. The reason I threw that pass in that situation is because he had been hard hedging screens for most of the game, and the Slip had been wide open. In MyTeam, players play screens very aggressively and ballhandlers are very prone to bump steals when the opponent hard hedges. He'd been doing this for most of the game, hence why I'm not moving. He made the right play and didn't do that here, I read it wrong and deserved the TO. Embiid isn't involved in that play. He's not even on my team here. That's Eddy Curry. I was referring to Embiid's pass in Kushmir's earlier clip.

This only serves to convince me that you're not actually reading and understanding what people are saying and just trying to critique and correct what they're doing wrong. I took that clip BECAUSE it was a perfect example of my own mistake and a spot where a turnover MAKES SENSE! (I even said "I make a wrong read like here? You bet that's a turnover.") Kushmir's Embiid clip is a spot where the AI should have chosen a different pass type. That one had nothing to do with user error. Unlike me in this instance, he makes the right read, sees Horford open in the corner and gets... Embiid throwing the ball right to Davis, nowhere near Horford? I mean, come on!

At the very least read what people are saying before going off on what they did wrong.

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[Kushmir]

Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

I took that clip BECAUSE it was a perfect example of my own mistake and a spot where a turnover MAKES SENSE! (I even said "I make a wrong read like here? You bet that's a turnover.") Kushmir's Embiid clip is a spot where the AI should have chosen a different pass type. That one had nothing to do with user error. Unlike me in this instance, he makes the right read, sees Horford open in the corner and gets... Embiid throwing the ball right to Davis, nowhere near Horford? I mean, come on!



At the very least read what people are saying before going off on what they did wrong.

This all day. [emoji1540][emoji1540][emoji1540][emoji1547]

By you guys' rationale Schroeder should steal this pass (one-handed no less [emoji23]) but of course, since the pass has height and is going to a point behind the 3pt line (Dennis is at the nail) he has literally no shot at it:

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To even suggest that its a bad pass is ridiculous. I don't even play Madden anymore but the best thing they've done for their game in the past 10yrs was remove the MLB superleap interception that let defenders unrealistically cover the middle of the field. That 15yd "in" comes out too high/fast for a LB to make a play on it...this is no different.

[keshunleon]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

You should pick the best pass not the game.

Triangle is overhead pass
Circle is bounce pass
X is the standard pass
Double triangle is alley oop.

That you have icon passing which you can customize with the pass target profile.

With lead passing you can also force the receiver to a certain spot.

Give and go you will control the receiver rather then the passer with AI usually giving a pin point pass.

PnO is on superstar i believe so AI is going to make plays on ill advised passes.

No different then in rec when you teammates bail out on you and AI starts playing actual defense.




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Your point is valid but isn't what I'm talking about.

I've already said this but I guess you over looked my point.

I press circle but get an over head pass or a chest pass it happens.
I utilize all types of passing but can't control what specific pass will happen.

Regardless of what button you press, look at every pass and you'll see a lot of them are behind the receiver which triggers a one handed reach back animation.

[tru11]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

That's... Exactly what I'm saying though. That turnover makes sense. The reason I threw that pass in that situation is because he had been hard hedging screens for most of the game, and the Slip had been wide open. In MyTeam, players play screens very aggressively and ballhandlers are very prone to bump steals when the opponent hard hedges. He'd been doing this for most of the game, hence why I'm not moving. He made the right play and didn't do that here, I read it wrong and deserved the TO. Embiid isn't involved in that play. He's not even on my team here. That's Eddy Curry. I was referring to Embiid's pass in Kushmir's earlier clip.

This only serves to convince me that you're not actually reading and understanding what people are saying and just trying to critique and correct what they're doing wrong. I took that clip BECAUSE it was a perfect example of my own mistake and a spot where a turnover MAKES SENSE! (I even said "I make a wrong read like here? You bet that's a turnover.") Kushmir's Embiid clip is a spot where the AI should have chosen a different pass type. That one had nothing to do with user error. Unlike me in this instance, he makes the right read, sees Horford open in the corner and gets... Embiid throwing the ball right to Davis, nowhere near Horford? I mean, come on!

At the very least read what people are saying before going off on what they did wrong.

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The embiid to davis TO is user error all the way.

Embiid was not looking towards horford when making that pass.

If he did then that pass had a better chance of getting there.

If embiid vision was towards horford and he used icon passing then that pass would have gotten there.

His read was correct from his camera standpoint.

All he had to do was reposition embiid so that he was in position to make the pass.



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[tru11]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

Your point is valid but isn't what I'm talking about.



I've already said this but I guess you over looked my point.



I press circle but get an over head pass or a chest pass it happens.

I utilize all types of passing but can't control what specific pass will happen.



Regardless of what button you press, look at every pass and you'll see a lot of them are behind the receiver which triggers a one handed reach back animation.

When i get the reach back animation its because i was late with my pass or the player was moving when i started my
Pass.

As for the other things i have never experienced those in all my years playing 2K.

If i throw an overhead pass it means i pressed triangle wether it was my intention or not or i used an icon pass.


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[tru11]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

This all day. [emoji1540][emoji1540][emoji1540][emoji1547]

By you guys' rationale Schroeder should steal this pass (one-handed no less [emoji23]) but of course, since the pass has height and is going to a point behind the 3pt line (Dennis is at the nail) he has literally no shot at it:

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To even suggest that its a bad pass is ridiculous. I don't even play Madden anymore but the best thing they've done for their game in the past 10yrs was remove the MLB superleap interception that let defenders unrealistically cover the middle of the field. That 15yd "in" comes out too high/fast for a LB to make a play on it...this is no different.

Schroder is looking at simmons and loses positon of the shooter.

Simmons is actually looking at who he is passing the ball.

So it makes a lot of sense that the pass is made.

Had schroder not lost the position of the shooter and stuck closer to him then it had a good shot of being at least a tip ball or higher contest.

Also if simmons had his back towards the shooter and tried to pass it to him odds are it would have been a TO.....



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[mb625]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

The embiid to davis TO is user error all the way.

Embiid was not looking towards horford when making that pass.

If he did then that pass had a better chance of getting there.

If embiid vision was towards horford and he used icon passing then that pass would have gotten there.

His read was correct from his camera standpoint.

All he had to do was reposition embiid so that he was in position to make the pass.



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If the user is supposed to be in control, that can't be an excuse. But either way, he did a drop step. Embiid could see Horford. Even if that were the case though, that is, all of a sudden, an extra step that 2k doesn't truly allow you to control. (And, in fact, the only reason he's not facing Horford is due to the drop step animation being mysteriously uncompleted, which is out of the user's control) He could have been faced up the whole time, Davis would have stolen that anyway. That's the way that animation works. Faced up or not, the fact is that the AI *failed to select the correct pass.* That pass needs to be thrown around Davis. Horford doesn't even need to be led into a different spot. That's an easy pass to at least avoid an interception on.

Stop assuming that the people seeing this just "don't know what they're doing" and that you, on the other hand, do. There's a legitimate problem that needs a tweak with passing and attitudes like this hinder it.

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[mb625]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

Schroder is looking at simmons and loses positon of the shooter.

Simmons is actually looking at who he is passing the ball.

So it makes a lot of sense that the pass is made.

Had schroder not lost the position of the shooter and stuck closer to him then it had a good shot of being at least a tip ball or higher contest.

Also if simmons had his back towards the shooter and tried to pass it to him odds are it would have been a TO.....



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Then look at the one Kushmir posted with Horford under the basket. By your own given rules, they're all staring down the ball handler, who is staring at Horford, a good seven feet behind them. The AI chooses to go straight through on an icon pass? That's not the right choice.

The hypocrisy of all of this argument is other worldly. The AI doesn't always choose the right pass with button inputs/selections. It needs to be improved. End of story.

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[just curious]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

I want to add that some of the passing animations are totally unrealistic. Players may throw full court passes with no effort at all, they just move their fingers, as if it was a 15 feet pass. Not to mention the silly pass fake when inbounding the ball when no defender is around.

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[tru11]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

If the user is supposed to be in control, that can't be an excuse. But either way, he did a drop step. Embiid could see Horford. Even if that were the case though, that is, all of a sudden, an extra step that 2k doesn't truly allow you to control. (And, in fact, the only reason he's not facing Horford is due to the drop step animation being mysteriously uncompleted, which is out of the user's control) He could have been faced up the whole time, Davis would have stolen that anyway. That's the way that animation works. Faced up or not, the fact is that the AI *failed to select the correct pass.* That pass needs to be thrown around Davis. Horford doesn't even need to be led into a different spot. That's an easy pass to at least avoid an interception on.

Stop assuming that the people seeing this just "don't know what they're doing" and that you, on the other hand, do. There's a legitimate problem that needs a tweak with passing and attitudes like this hinder it.

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They dont.

If you think Embiid was in the right position to make that pass then you have no idea.

The fact that you cant tell why it resulted in a turnover says enough.

Had embiid been face up towards horford he could have thrown a right handed pass around javelle and away from the side davis was on.
He could have tried to pass it with triangle.
He could have tried an icon pass.

Would it worked maybe.
Even so all would have been a better option then what he actually did....



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