2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

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when he was talking about the behind the back being nerfed he wasn’t complaining that he couldn’t cheese he was more saying there are a lack of dribble moves 100% in this game to preform which he is correct . The dribble animations selection is way limited than past years . I for one never used that behind the back cheese and Agent never did either in the videos he posted he was just asking for more variety of moves to preform but in the right way not in a spammy way . They have to find the balance the developers that is .

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2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

Also if you go watch Agent latest video he said 2k16 was the best Balance of realism and fun which he is correct. 2k has not been like that in years each game has gotten worse in some aspects . He also clarified on he didn’t know mike was gonna be there or he would have had better prepared questions . Also said they should have multiple modes like ranked and unranked were ranked is more skilled and unranked for people who just wanna have fun and goof not only just park. I think some of y’all were mixing up
What he was trying to get across entirely . Agent doesn’t play My Team just Park and some Rec games. Madden has it with the arcade , sim and comp modes I think that’s what he was mostly asking 2k implement for online play . That’s all he was saying .


2k completely ignored Online play now for years it’s so messed up . They need to overhaul it and agent wasn’t wrong they need to add more variety most games do just that based on skill gap.

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when he was talking about the behind the back being nerfed he wasn’t complaining that he couldn’t cheese he was more saying there are a lack of dribble moves 100% in this game to preform which he is correct . The dribble animations selection is way limited than past years . I for one never used that behind the back cheese and Agent never did either in the videos he posted he was just asking for more variety of moves to preform but in the right way not in a spammy way . They have to find the balance the developers that is .

that was just an excuse.

that move handicapped people as they didn’t have to learn any of the new dribble mechanics because they could rely on one exploit.

2k could add 100’s of dribble animations people would still use the same 5 recommended on youtube that give an edge lol.

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2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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that was just an excuse.

that move handicapped people as they didn’t have to learn any of the new dribble mechanics because they could rely on one exploit.

2k could add 100’s of dribble animations people would still use the same 5 recommended on youtube that give an edge lol.

Yeah, this is one of my biggest issues with the game. They have tons of dribble animations and tons of shooting animations and tons of different build possibilities, but everyone uses the same couple dribble animations, same couple shooting animations, and same couple builds because of how unbalanced it is. There's no point in having 1000s of different shot animations in the game when there's 5-10 animations that are significantly better than the rest.

[cjacks17]

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I get the biggest kick watching people play on Park.

They should just make Park arcade and ProAm/Rec/Whatever realistic.

People cna choose what the want to play.

The nonsense running in circles on the 3 point line and then pulling up to lower the contest and get your badge Catch and Shoot is just insanity to me.

NO ONE plays that way. Even the goat shooters.

[MrWrestling3]

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that was just an excuse.

that move handicapped people as they didn’t have to learn any of the new dribble mechanics because they could rely on one exploit.

2k could add 100’s of dribble animations people would still use the same 5 recommended on youtube that give an edge lol.

Yep,I think it was/is a combination of some moves being super good due to faster animations or whatever (everyone ran the sham god for years for a reason) plus speed boosting plus certain badges making it to where you only need maybe 4 dribble moves to break the game in your favor.

[The 24th Letter]

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If the idea is that us sim heads should be listened to instead, this thread isn't exactly a glowing endorsement, lol.

First, I'm all about sim nation, and have been from the jump, but a lot of us older sim heads need to get over this superiority complex because we click a different mode in a video game menu.

Park, Neighborhood & Pro Am have grown the game exponentially, and are here to stay...they arent going anywhere. They arent creating a different game for them. YouTubers and social influencers, much like pretty much every other industry are tied into that- this isn't changing either, only growing. Its a reality that's what's been way past due to accept.

As far as Agent, he's a content creator, and while he's prone to cringy content creator things...Overall he's a pretty level headed, well spoken guy who has some good ideas. His favorite 2K is 2K16. Which a lot of us agree with. I think all he was saying is the same thing I've been saying for years....that was the last year I felt you could uss a variety of creative moves on offense rather than some key moves to succeed.

Czars pinned tweet wasn't conceding that sim heads don't have a place, the original conversation stemmed from the exaxt opposite. We just have to continue to speak out and carve out our niche. We can keep monologing about how we've been playing since Dreamcast and how it used to be or we can use our voices in a meaningful way.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

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as far as i have seen so far
park/rec play people who never ever even played basketball and don't understand basketball a bit!

Yeah I don't think that's totally accurate. The original post wasn't trying to make it an Online vs Offline thing lol. I play irl and I switched from playing vs CPU to Rec/Walkon/Pro Am for years because to me that's more like the real thing (everyone is in 'First Person Mode' IRL lol). I will say Park is harder to stomach 'cause of the arcade bs. It's all about 2K asking the right players with at least SOME basketball background or understanding. Imagine if we ranked YouTubers by bball IQ instead of entertainment value / popularity. It'd be a different ball game. We don't need casual Park glitchers influencing the game for everyone.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

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You know back in 2k15 playing basketball was really a viable tactics. We were constantly able to beat those 90+ kiddies with 70 rated players by just playing solid basketball. not possible anymore... reason why I completely stopped playing all those myplayer online modes and focus solely on myleague (online).

Wait wasn't 2K15 the 7'0 SF Demi Gods version lol

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

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If the idea is that us sim heads should be listened to instead, this thread isn't exactly a glowing endorsement, lol.

First, I'm all about sim nation, and have been from the jump, but a lot of us older sim heads need to get over this superiority complex because we click a different mode in a video game menu.

Park, Neighborhood & Pro Am have grown the game exponentially, and are here to stay...they arent going anywhere. They arent creating a different game for them. YouTubers and social influencers, much like pretty much every other industry are tied into that- this isn't changing either, only growing. Its a reality that's what's been way past due to accept.

As far as Agent, he's a content creator, and while he's prone to cringy content creator things...Overall he's a pretty level headed, well spoken guy who has some good ideas. His favorite 2K is 2K16. Which a lot of us agree with. I think all he was saying is the same thing I've been saying for years....that was the last year I felt you could uss a variety of creative moves on offense rather than some key moves to succeed.

Czars pinned tweet wasn't conceding that sim heads don't have a place, the original conversation stemmed from the exaxt opposite. We just have to continue to speak out and carve out our niche. We can keep monologing about how we've been playing since Dreamcast and how it used to be or we can use our voices in a meaningful way.

It's all about which metric you're using. I agree Park/Pro Am and YouTubers have obviously grown the popularity of the game, but what has been their influence on the actual gameplay? A lot of people would say it's been a negative influence that has now been more about creating a "meta" that they want rather than the "meta" being the never ending quest that 2K USED to be about, which is how to create the most realistic and life like basketball simulation possible.

Popularity /= Basketball credibility. Yet they're putting a casual baller face on 2KTV because he's popular and has subs, asking him about what a casual baller wants. It's marketing, but at this point I'm not sure how much is it just marketing or is 2K literally listening to these guys over real basketball heads for advice on how to build their game.

[MrWrestling3]

Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

If the idea is that us sim heads should be listened to instead, this thread isn't exactly a glowing endorsement, lol.

First, I'm all about sim nation, and have been from the jump, but a lot of us older sim heads need to get over this superiority complex because we click a different mode in a video game menu.

Park, Neighborhood & Pro Am have grown the game exponentially, and are here to stay...they arent going anywhere. They arent creating a different game for them. YouTubers and social influencers, much like pretty much every other industry are tied into that- this isn't changing either, only growing. Its a reality that's what's been way past due to accept.

As far as Agent, he's a content creator, and while he's prone to cringy content creator things...Overall he's a pretty level headed, well spoken guy who has some good ideas. His favorite 2K is 2K16. Which a lot of us agree with. I think all he was saying is the same thing I've been saying for years....that was the last year I felt you could uss a variety of creative moves on offense rather than some key moves to succeed.

Czars pinned tweet wasn't conceding that sim heads don't have a place, the original conversation stemmed from the exaxt opposite. We just have to continue to speak out and carve out our niche. We can keep monologing about how we've been playing since Dreamcast and how it used to be or we can use our voices in a meaningful way.

Listen...I'm all for people being able to play their own way.I will say this though...it's to the point now where it feels like I do nothing but struggle with sliders, and struggle with rosters to get 2K to approximate RL basketball.It been this way for me increasingly as the focus shifted more towards online play and the online culture that comes with it.I realized this morning that it's to the point now where I don't even enjoy 2K anymore.

Now I'll admit that you're right and things have changed, and that's why 2K just isn't for me anymore.I have no interest in running around the Park with people half my age that mostly just get on my nerves, and I have no longer have any interest in fighting a never ending battle with the game engine itself just to get an enjoyable experience out of the one or two mode I do play.

[The 24th Letter]

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Listen...I'm all for people being able to play their own way.I will say this though...it's to the point now where it feels like I do nothing but struggle with sliders, and struggle with rosters to get 2K to approximate RL basketball.It been this way for me increasingly as the focus shifted more towards online play and the online culture that comes with it.I realized this morning that it's to the point now where I don't even enjoy 2K anymore.

Now I'll admit that you're right and things have changed, and that's why 2K just isn't for me anymore.I have no interest in running around the Park with people half my age that mostly just get on my nerves, and I have no longer have any interest in fighting a never ending battle with the game engine itself just to get an enjoyable experience out of the one or two mode I do play.

Hey, I'm defintiely not trying to convince you otherwise.

I've always loved the 2K series, but it has and will always be a game to me, entertainment, something I do for fun. If it starts feeling like work or stops being fun, thats when I'm out. Easy.

[The 24th Letter]

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It's all about which metric you're using. I agree Park/Pro Am and YouTubers have obviously grown the popularity of the game, but what has been their influence on the actual gameplay? A lot of people would say it's been a negative influence that has now been more about creating a "meta" that they want rather than the "meta" being the never ending quest that 2K USED to be about, which is how to create the most realistic and life like basketball simulation possible.

Popularity /= Basketball credibility. Yet they're putting a casual baller face on 2KTV because he's popular and has subs, asking him about what a casual baller wants. It's marketing, but at this point I'm not sure how much is it just marketing or is 2K literally listening to these guys over real basketball heads for advice on how to build their game.

Online players have definitely had their share of influence. For example the infamous, ever visible meter this year, which was a direct result from a Park complaint.

I also think that its essentially gotten to the point that everything we see something we don't like, they are the scapegoat..."It's because they only care about online/ park players" etc...

Our hands aren't clean either. Those "auto foul" animations that started in 2K16 and has been in tbe game since? I'll just say that was largely influenced here.

I think Mike and crew should take in ALL feedback quite honestly. He and his team have the impossible job of finding balance. I fully expect to see Youtubers who play Park/Pro Am, their most popular modes on 2KTV...unfortunately, not as many people are tuning in to see our 2035 MyLeague season progress. I dont think that means they're only listening to one section of fans though.